December 21, 2006 7:25 AM
DMV on ID: 'Bring what you have'
Not that you're going to need one today - offices are closed along with most everything else - but most of you will still need two forms of ID to get a Colorado driver's license, reports Sara Burnett.
But exactly which documents will be required remains unclear."We're saying to people, 'Bring what you have when you come,' " said Diane Reimer, spokeswoman for the Colorado Department of Revenue, which issues driver's licenses.
"In some cases, one document will suffice. But most times you're going to need something else."
Denver Chief District Judge Larry Naves said last week that requiring two forms of identification caused "real, immediate and irreparable injury" to some people. He also said the department must conduct a public hearing before changing its rules on identification.
December 21, 2006
8:04 AM
Ben writes:
I've got a chicken and an old pet rock. That's what I got. In contemporary context, this is another step toward the Latin-Americanization of the USA. I do enjoy my liberties, but in this day and age we need the extra safeguards.
December 21, 2006
9:17 AM
Joe writes:
Evidently Ben hasn't been to a DMV lately. The endless lines caused by the revised ID rules had already "Latin-Americanized" the process.
Having to take a day off to get a drivers license isn't my idea of how an efficient free society's institutions should work.
December 21, 2006
10:00 AM
Ben writes:
Well, Maybe if we didn't have 20 - 30 million illegal aliens in this country and had proactively enforced immigration laws as we were promised after the "Never Again " Amnesty- (Immigration Act of 1986) we could deal with our own citizens needs more effeciently.
December 21, 2006
10:28 AM
gr8fuldude writes:
I have a CO driver's license, a US passport, a state of NY birth certificate, and a US social security card. If all of that is still a damn problem, I also have a USMC honorable discharge. I assume that is still valid?
December 21, 2006
12:25 PM
Les writes:
Ben, you use the word "safeguards." Safe from what?
December 21, 2006
12:30 PM
Les writes:
Ben, you use the word "safeguards." Safe from what?
December 21, 2006
12:33 PM
jay writes:
I'd much rather address the real issues weighing down our school, healthcare and social services systems than blame their failures on 5% of the population. I certainly understand that there's an emotional aspect to the illegal immigration issue...which no doubt leads to the synthesis of some of the talking points we see on the subject.
December 21, 2006
2:06 PM
Marthe writes:
The unemotional aspect of illegal immigration and its affect on social systems already at the breaking point is that these folks who should not be here are displacing needy Americans who get knocked off of the rolls every time an illegal skips a medical bill or drops another kid who can't speak English into public school. The funding for these public services is limited. A deserving American citizen always loses to illegal aliens under these circumstances.
The 5% concept is deceiving unless you consider the context.
December 21, 2006
2:44 PM
Les writes:
Marthe, I understand your concern about the effects on our citizens as a result of the presence of illegal aliens and I know we are witnessing a decline in some of our social systems like healthcare. However, I'd be careful of assuming that just because the two are occurring at the same time, there is a causal connection. Much of the decline in things you (and I) think are important might just as well be attributed to the tax breaks given to the the wealthiest 5%. We need to keep working on an appropriate response to the issue of illegal aliens, but we should avoid demonizing people who are, for the most part, just trying to earn a living. The conversation seems to often treat illegal immigrants as if they were all murderers.
December 21, 2006
4:53 PM
Anonymous writes:
Update from Greeley… My illegal alien neighbors that were deported in the ICE raid are back. They were flown home and they missed one wife and she went and picked them back up. Now a major federal raid has been turned into a holiday shopping trip.
December 21, 2006
4:55 PM
Anonymous writes:
Like illegals go to the DMV
December 21, 2006
5:24 PM
Ben writes:
Les, Safeguards of misplaced sympathy for people whose first act in the U.S. is to break the law. Safeguards against theft of social services and benefits at any level for those whose presence in the United States is against our laws. Safeguards of the erosion of English speaking culture that has made this country a super power. Safeguards against longitudinal Marxist secularism that has declared war on American and western heritages, races,(specifically white protestant) cultures and is deeply embedded in our institutions. Safeguards against terrorist threats that will be a fact of life in the USA because of the conspiratorial forces that left the USA's borders and ports vulnerable. Safeguards against concessional globalism at the expense of the American middle class that will mean the end of an empire. The greatest arguably, civilization known to man. Safeguards against apathy and complacency that would push all of the above along.
December 21, 2006
6:05 PM
Marthe writes:
You are wrong in your interpretation of my post Les. We have a finite amount of resources in the form of social programs for our citizenry. It is an unavoidable fact that those people living here illegally take from this finite pool of resources at the expense of legal citizens. When there is a waiting list a mile long of Americans who would like to get healthcare assistance, each dollar that is stolen by an illegal alien hurts legal citizens in a very real way.
Once people like you can come to grips with that reality, we can move forward and talk about taking more tax money from the rich to help support social services for legal residents, but not before.
December 21, 2006
6:49 PM
Les writes:
Marthe, you have a legitimate point and we need to deal with both. My intent was only to focus on the issue of resource allocation (as you said) and not to discuss illegal immigrants as evil along with murderers and rapists.
December 21, 2006
6:52 PM
Les writes:
Ben, I appreciate your clarification. I mistook your comments for a desire to have a dialogue on a difficult issue. I won’t waste your time with further discussion. I read your comments "Safeguards against longitudinal Marxist secularism that has declared war on American and western heritages, races, (specifically white protestant) cultures and is deeply embedded in our institutions." in the literature of the aryan nation and the kkk.
December 21, 2006
6:58 PM
Anonymous writes:
" Much of the decline in things you (and I) think are important might just as well be attributed to the tax breaks given to the the wealthiest 5%."
Les, maybe in your world but not in the real world. You need to step away from the 'socialism will fix all ills'.
December 21, 2006
7:04 PM
Anonymous writes:
Les, you are a fool. If that's what you heard in your head when Ben laid out the future, you need help. Take your class warfare and stuff it.
December 22, 2006
7:07 AM
Anonymous writes:
Les, yes the USA and white people are inherently evil. "Blue eyed devils", as a barely articulate Yale educated Chicano activist called us at an inservice meeting for educators that I was forced to attend on "Celebrating Diversity" . This mantra has been used effectively by hispanic racial identity groups to forward their racist agenda, on my dime. As for my derivation of info as KKK or Arayan in nature, incorrect. Truth is always mainstream, or resurfaces from time to time. Les, your comments epitomize, validate and legitimize my argument on secular Marxism which has successfully embedded itself in American institutions. Adjectives that I may use in regards to your post: narrowminded, xenophobic, bigoted, racist, etc. Sound familiar? You have been brainwashed.
December 22, 2006
7:09 AM
Ben writes:
Les, yes the USA and white people are inherently evil. "Blue eyed devils", as a barely articulate Yale educated Chicano activist called us at an inservice meeting for educators that I was forced to attend on "Celebrating Diversity" . This mantra has been used effectively by hispanic racial identity groups to forward their racist agenda, on my dime. As for my derivation of info as KKK or Arayan in nature, incorrect. Truth is always mainstream, or resurfaces from time to time. Les, your comments epitomize, validate and legitimize my argument on secular Marxism which has successfully embedded itself in American institutions. Adjectives that I may use in regards to your post: narrowminded, xenophobic, bigoted, racist, etc. Sound familiar? You have been brainwashed.
December 22, 2006
10:29 AM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
I also have a USMC honorable discharge. I assume that is still valid?
Posted by gr8fuldude on December 21, 2006 10:28 AM
Thanks for your service.
December 22, 2006
11:06 AM
Anonymous writes:
Ben you are a racist prick rationalizing your hatred through far religious right talking points.
December 22, 2006
11:24 AM
Ben writes:
11:06. Truth hurts don't it. As Kinky Friedman so eloquently stated " I am not a racist, just a realist." It appears to me that your intolerance of my views is unfortunate. Sometimes paradigm shifting is does hurt. You can be taught. Merry Christmas 11:06
December 22, 2006
11:47 AM
Pete writes:
No one knows what it's like
To be the bad man
To be the sad man
Behind blue eyes
December 22, 2006
3:30 PM
Anonymous writes:
Ben you are a racist prick rationalizing your hatred through far religious right talking points.
Posted by on December 22, 2006 11:06 AM
Yep, another liberal idiot race-baiter surfaces to vent his spleen after losing the debate, AGAIN.
December 27, 2006
9:40 AM
Anonymous writes:
So how is requiring two forms of identification going to help Immigration? The illegal immigrants don't get their ID from the DMV. You would be better served looking for women that have given birth more than once in six months in hospital records. SSN# are copied and used by multiple people. They don't worry about having ID from the DMV. If one has good ID a dozen use it. This is just a show of how ignorant and out of touch laws are. Let's first start with the realities like terrorism and work towards immigration reform. I would personally like everyone with ID even if they are illegal so we can make sure they are not Osama,
December 31, 2006
11:52 AM
Ben writes:
Reform of immigration other than to step up enforcement is an excercise in futility if we do not have control of our ports and borders, which we obviously do not have control over. Simple fundamentals first.
December 31, 2006
12:09 PM
Intolerant American writes:
QUESTION: When you apply for welfare from the Government in Mexico what do they give you?
ANSWER: A map of the United States.
January 1, 2007
10:29 AM
Anonymous writes:
Attrition Through Enforcement is a straightforward plan that will work once both workplace and border enforcement are properly executed.
January 1, 2007
10:38 AM
NumbersUSA writes:
Examine the website to learn more about a large and growing grassroots group of concerned Americans ( of all three parties) who want meaningful and lasting change to our broken immigration policies. See how your voice becomes an effective tool to influence the stalemate in Congress.
January 1, 2007
2:30 PM
Liberal but not stupid. writes:
Does anyone know of a Country that has the resources of the United States purchased by the taxes of the population and will allow me to just show up and I will be allowed to stay and work and demand they speak English and teach my children in English and I can walk into any emergency room and receive health care?
No, really. Does anyone? I can see the spray-paint on the fence and I want to move there now before that Country gets smart and closes their borders.
So if you do, please post the name of said Country.
January 1, 2007
6:58 PM
Anonymous writes:
What stalemate in Congress. The majority of Congress and the majority of the American people agree that a guest worker program is the way to go.
January 2, 2007
1:36 AM
gwats writes:
Dry up the opportunity to work here by workplace document verification, Control our borders, enforce existing Laws, and conduct raids on a random basis, and this problem wil take care of itself in a few years.
When the money stops, most folks will flock elsewhere or STAY HOME and demand that their own Governments STEP UP and take care of their own Citizens.
The longest journey always begins with the first step.
January 2, 2007
9:45 AM
Anonymous writes:
Keep dreaming
January 3, 2007
9:30 AM
Ben writes:
Again, why entertain amnesty in any manifestation when we do not control or secure our boundaries. A child would be able to figure out the reasons why this "solution" to illegal immigration is failure at so many levels. Amnesty is, and historically has been, failed policy in regards to illegal immigration.