December 20, 2006 8:25 AM
Swift raids unlikely to move Congress on immigration reform
Last week's raids and arrests of hundreds of suspected illegal immigrants are unlikely to nudge Congress off entrenched positions on immigration policy, reports M.E. Sprengelmeyer.
Instead, after the crackdown at Swift & Co. plants in Colorado and five other states, lawmakers from competing sides of the debate over a proposed guest-worker plan used the arrests last week to bolster their locked-in positions.That could set the stage for another difficult debate in coming months, after Democrats take control of both houses of Congress and try to advance a plan President Bush has long favored.
While advocates of tougher immigration laws generally praised the raids, some see it as a ruse to appease hard-liners and make it easier to pass what they believe is amnesty.
Rep. Tom Tancredo called it "hogwash" that Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff began his press conference detailing the arrests by talking about the need for a guest-worker plan, which could grant legal status to millions who have entered the country illegally.
Do you agree with Tancredo that the raids were a bone tossed to those who favor tougher immigration laws or with Sen. Ken Salazar who say they were a signal that the nation needs a comprehensive plan (including guest worker provisions) to solve the immigration problem?
December 20, 2006
8:46 AM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
Due to the fact that the country has become so fractured ideologically, the standard procedure has become to do something relatively controversial and watch the reaction. That is not leadership, and it exists on both sides of the aisle.
December 20, 2006
8:49 AM
gr8fuldude writes:
Rush (the band, not the fat guy) said it best: "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"...Sort of sums up our legislative body.
December 20, 2006
9:13 AM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
gr8
I am off topic, but your post remided me of a Dylan song.
http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/serve.html
December 20, 2006
9:44 AM
Ben writes:
The ICE raids are a bone, just like the American middle class is getting Boned. Why even speak of Salazar's type of Immigration reform when our borders are unsecure.
December 20, 2006
11:11 AM
David Hakala writes:
The raids were conducted when and how they were to provoke public outrage, in the hope that it would force passage of President Antichrist's amnesty and guest-worker plan. Ironic, isn't it?
Does anyone think that ICE agents LIKE chasing people through slaughterhouses, tunnels, deserts, and other nasty places? No. They want to end this nonsense more than anyone does.
December 20, 2006
3:08 PM
Stephen writes:
A guest worker plan can be instituted without the path to citizenship. For if we are to take the immigrants at their word, which has been that they want to come here only to work to support their families at home, then the best fix to the current issue of 15 million illegals here would be to offer them two choices.
One, enroll with truthful identification into the guest worker program which would allow them to remain in the US to work for a specified period of time, after which they would have to return home and reapply. No path to citizenship for chronic lawbreakers.
Two, remain here illegally in the shadows and be deported when discovered with no chance in the future of joining a legal guest worker program.
As far as the families that have stolen into the US and have US born children, they can still choose 1 or 2 above. If they continue to flout the law, they will be deported with the option of taking their kids to the ancestral land or arranging an adoption to legal friends or relatives so the US born kids can stay here.
December 20, 2006
3:59 PM
Ben writes:
Again, why entertain any manifestation of amnesty in any shape or form until our ports and borders are under our control. Lets' get serious about the enforcement approach. How about an open mind on enforcement of the rule of law?
December 20, 2006
9:26 PM
David Hakala writes:
"why entertain any manifestation of amnesty in any shape or form until our ports and borders are under our control. "
Same reason libraries, traffic ticket bureaus, and tax collectors declare amnesties before they have their things under control: to keep losses and enforcement costs from spiraling out of control.
December 20, 2006
9:36 PM
David Hakala writes:
"if we are to take the immigrants at their word, which has been that they want to come here only to work to support their families at home..."
Where did you get that word, Stephen? Immigrants bring families with them, whenever they can. They send about 10% of their earnings home to those left behind.
December 20, 2006
9:50 PM
David Hakala writes:
"the best fix to the current issue of 15 million illegals here would be to offer them two choices.
"One, enroll with truthful identification into the guest worker program which would allow them to remain in the US to work for a specified period of time, after which they would have to return home and reapply. No path to citizenship for chronic lawbreakers.
"Two, remain here illegally in the shadows and be deported when discovered with no chance in the future of joining a legal guest worker program."
What does this fix, Stephen?
December 21, 2006
7:17 AM
plumber gw writes:
the companies are to blame.the term knowingly, has become a loophole they use to break the law. but they all are guility of same thing, deport them and fine the companies $$$$$$.
December 21, 2006
7:25 AM
Ben writes:
Again, why entertain any manifestation of amnesty in any shape or form until our ports and borders are under our control. Lets' get serious about the enforcement approach. How about an open mind on enforcement of the rule of law?
December 21, 2006
1:58 PM
Stephen writes:
What does this fix, Stephen?
Posted by David Hakala on December 20, 2006 09:50 PM
Actually it fixes it all. Your solution of amnesty will force us to relive groundhog day all over again. Did you not learn anything from that same choice made 20 years ago?
December 21, 2006
6:11 PM
Anonymous writes:
Amnesty is wrong. We have all the precident we need to know that irrefutable fact now.
To repeat the same mistake and again call it the "last amnesty" if pure folly being proposed by the weak with ulterior motives. Most Americans favor attrition through law enforcement and job sanctions, as evidenced by the recent raids.
We need much more of the same with closure of the southern borders to illegal traffic.
December 21, 2006
6:49 PM
JW writes:
Well, they got rid of 1200. Congrats. Now, how much did that cost? The whole investigation, and the raid. How much?
Whatever the cost was, you can multiply it by about 5500 to decide the projected cost to remove all Mexican illegals. Lets say it was $5000 (ridiculously low estimate, since the investigation alone took months). That means you are talking about $27 BILLION just to get rid of the Mexicans. Just to give you some perspective, lets say the total for the ICE raid, the investigation, and the deportations was $100,000 (again, low estimate, but less ridiculous) it would cost $542 BILLION (or 200billion more than we have currently spent in Iraq) JUST FOR THE MEXICANS.
All Illegals? Yea, your bill just topped $1 trillion.
But again, congrats.
December 22, 2006
7:29 AM
Ben writes:
Again, JW and friends, enforce laws (Immigration Reform Act of 1986) strategically. Strip any and all benefits at all levels, specifically federal. Simple ecomonic attrition would have many leave voluntarily. Make their illegal presence uncomfortable, as per the above law. Their attachment is to Mexico. Don't you remember them flying their flags so defiantly and standing on statues of Colorado/ American icons downtown this past spring, making invalid demands in a nation they have no right to be in? The media like to call them migrants. They can also migrate south. By, the way, do you have some magical ball/ type calculator? Merry Christmas!
December 22, 2006
8:10 AM
JW writes:
"By, the way, do you have some magical ball/ type calculator?"
No, I just remember how to divide and multiply from 4th grade.
And I like the "strategic enforcement" thing. Everyone is calling for more ICE raids even though they haven't even thought, at the most basic level, how much those raids will cost. And now you and your "strategic enforcement". No doubt that will cost less than raids and deportations, but exactly how much? Again, bet you haven't even thought about it at the most basic level.
The real world isn't a "get rid of illegals nice and easy" fantasy land. People who think this is a huge problem A) don't actually know anything about it, but they think they do, and B) haven't the foggiest clue about what getting rid of illegals will cost, but they damn sure want it.
December 22, 2006
9:25 AM
Ben writes:
Well then, again, lets go back in history. Hoover did it during the Great Depression and Eisenhower deported 1.3 Mexican's out of the USA in 1954. In the 21st century, I would have to believe that we could even more effeciently deport in some manner, (See ecomonic attrition from last post) illegal aliens in the present. Now see if you can figure out how much money the USA would save if we JUST followed the LAW OF THE PEOPLE and deported 1.3. million illegal aliens. Hint it involves geometry.
December 22, 2006
9:53 AM
jay writes:
I don't really know too much about his topic, but I think Arnie has the right idea. Mass deportations are really the only way to go.
December 22, 2006
10:15 AM
Anonymous writes:
All Illegals? Yea, your bill just topped $1 trillion.
But again, congrats.
Posted by JW on December 21, 2006 06:49 PM
Another weak mind that cannot understand how law enforcement peppered with a raid here and there will lead to self deportation of illegal aliens if they cannot find work.
Employers will do the math and realize that paying a higher wage will get them legal workers and less scrutiny, which overall will help our economy and shut out illegal labor.
The idiots (JW and jay) continue to argue the mass deportation angle which is not what is being proposed, but their howls are clear evidence that the current plan is the correct one and that it will work.
Thanks guys for corroborating what many of us have known all along. Say goodbye to your cheap labor - looks like you will have to play by the rules instead of subverting them.
December 22, 2006
10:20 AM
Anonymous writes:
NUMBERSUSA.COM
Join the growing grassroots tripartisan movement to keep the pressure on our Congress to dump amnesty and reverse illegal immigration trends that are bankrupting our country. Your vote counts and will be effective.
December 22, 2006
11:11 AM
Anonymous writes:
If we wanted to see a real change we should have seen some of the EMPLOYERS being arrested.
December 22, 2006
11:36 AM
jay writes:
Great to see the supporters of anemic and uneffective policies based on an emotional attachment to the issue are still in the vast minority. You will live around Hispanic people all your life, many of them US citizens, just like you. Get used to it. The economics of a guest worker program with a path to citizenship make sense. If you can't see that then you aren't looking at the issue rationally...or are letting your emotions cloud your judgement. The vast majority of Americans realize that the best solution is the best solution...regardless of whether or not some of the evil doers get to stay in the country.
We need to secure our borders and ports (still not done more than 5 years after 9/11) in any case....so we might as well deal with the illegal immigration issue now so its footprint will be much smaller in the future.
9:53,
Don't use my screen name. Even my 5 year old niece knows that deportation (implied or outright)isn't a viable solution.
December 22, 2006
12:32 PM
Ben writes:
JW, get out your crystal ball calculator and see how much it would cost to implement another bureaucracy such as Amnesty/ Guest Worker Program. Those number still don't work, do they. Jay, get out your magic wand and turn all these illegal aliens into citizens. Wow, I am beginning to believe some of you are sparking it up and blogging at the same time. So thaaaat's why YOUR emotions are so under control. And I'm over here freaking out. I'M on to you guys. Merry Christmas.
December 22, 2006
1:06 PM
jay writes:
"Do you support or oppose creation of a guest worker program that would allow illegal immigrants to register for temporary legal status and employment?"
Support 65%
Oppose 32%
Unsure 3%
"Which comes closest to your view about what government policy should be toward illegal immigrants currently residing in the United States? Should the government deport all illegal immigrants back to their home country, allow illegal immigrants to remain in the United States in order to work but only for a limited amount of time, or allow illegal immigrants to remain in the United States and become U.S. citizens but only if they meet certain requirements over a period of time?"
Deport All
16%
Remain for Limited Time
17%
Remain if Meet Certain Requirements
66%
Unsure
1%
"Currently illegal immigrants cannot apply for citizenship. If the law were changed to allow illegal immigrants to register into a guest worker program, should that program offer them the ability to work toward citizenship over a period of several years?"
Yes 69%
No 27%
Unsure 4%
www.pollingreport.com
These were all national polls done this year by reputable organizations.
Lobbyists or think tanks with agendas were not allowed to participate.
It is amazing to me that roughly the same number of people, even when faced with the facts of failures of the 6 year Republican majority, still feel they are doing a good job. There comes a time when you simply have to call an ideologue and ideologue.
December 22, 2006
1:31 PM
JW writes:
"JW, get out your crystal ball calculator and see how much it would cost to implement another bureaucracy such as Amnesty/ Guest Worker Program. Those number still don't work, do they."
Why should I calculate the cost when it appears you already know it? Please post the numbers (BTW, I dont actually think you have any numbers. I think you are posting what you BELIVE, rather than what is true. In fact, I bet you haven't done ANY research into the costs of a guest worker program).
And here is the methodology for my estimates on the cost of deporting illegals....
estimated mexican illegals-6-7million currently.
1200 busted in the Swift raids.
6,000,000/1200= 5000
5000xwhatever you think the swift raids cost=approximate cost for deporting the rest of the mexicans (on the LOW end).
Or use the same for all illegals, which are estimated to be 11-15 million.
Pretty simple math, really. The only thing missing is the actual cost of the swift raid which I cannot find anywhere. But again, even if it only cost $5k, the cost for the rest of the mexicans alone will be around 27 billion. IF you actually believe the swift raids cost $5k, I have property to sell you in Florida.
You can bitch and moan all you like. You can call me all the names you like. The numbers add up to you being WRONG if you want them all deported.
IRAQ IRAQ IRAQ!
Illegals Illegals Illegals!
You people are a stampede of cows, blindly rushing from one ridiculously expensive cluster fuck to the next.
December 22, 2006
1:40 PM
Ben writes:
Easy big fella. Don't get to emotional. Hey. Haven't we seen those stats before? Didn't someone else have a rebuttal with alternative stats? Seems like all you have now is call me a racist. Then it would be official, if you know what I mean. Merry Christmas
December 22, 2006
1:43 PM
Anonymous writes:
Ben I don't remember seeing the numbers backing up any of your posts regarding illegal immigration.
If you have any I'm sure it would do your credibility a world of good.
December 22, 2006
1:49 PM
just explainin writes:
JW 1:31 "6-7 million Mexicans here illegally" That number/estimate invalidates any number you will ever again submit to me for my consumption. You are dismissed sir!
December 22, 2006
1:57 PM
Ben writes:
So you want some numbers eh. Look at some of the previous posts again, numbers are present. I will start rounding them up. Be patient though, I'm not very smart, but I do know when I'm getting screwed and not getting kissed. Merry Christmas.
December 22, 2006
2:00 PM
JW writes:
Ben,
No offense is meant here but I have to ask;
Why would you say the cost for a guest worker program is prohibitive when you don't have any data as to what the costs actually are? That seems rather strange to me. In fact, I wonder why you post on the subject at all when you have so little actual information.
You are entitled to your opinion, but you could at least give those of us doing actual research a bit of credit, rather than writing of our data through what amounts to irrational denial.
Merry Christmas.
"JW 1:31 "6-7 million Mexicans here illegally" That number/estimate invalidates any number you will ever again submit to me for my consumption. You are dismissed sir!"
If you have alternative data, I would be happy to look at it. As it stands, my data comes from sources like;
http://www.cis.org/index.cgi
and the us census.
What actual data do you actually have? My guess, NONE. DISMISSED.
December 22, 2006
2:16 PM
jay writes:
I am not picking on you Ben, but it would be refreshing to see some actual data from someone opposed to a guest worker program instead of the usual emotion-based opinions.
December 22, 2006
2:31 PM
Ben writes:
CNN.com-Lou Dobbs
Immigration and Border Security Poll
"Lou Dobbs Tonight" commissioned a poll to gauge the will of the people on the issues of illegal immigration and border security. We believe it is the most comprehensive national poll that has been conducted in decades on these issues."
#4 Do you approve or disapprove of the US goverment deporting illegal immigrants to the country they came from. (asked of 1/2 of sample)
Approve 67%
Disapprove 25%
No opinion 8%
Poll done June 8-11.
Lou has been the most credible reporter on this issue (my opinion) and backs it up with stats.
Well there's a start for you. Welcome to the dark side.
December 22, 2006
2:43 PM
JW writes:
Ben,
Has Dobbs actually been the most credible, or just the guy whos reports give evidence to what you believe?
As my dad said, when someone tells you something you disagree with, check to make sure they are incorrect. When someone tells you something you agree with, check twice as hard.
However, if Dobbs poll is correct, I still fail to see how the will of the populace equates to reality. For instance, look at Iraq. It was supported by the majority of the population for a very long time. Not so much now. Bush's approval ratings are similar. This is where I get my "Stampeding cows" analogy. Yes, as a mass we can be convinced we are doing the right thing, but that does not promise greener pastures.
And again, 67% of the population may favor deportation, but if so, they have no idea of the cost in real terms.
December 22, 2006
3:07 PM
jay writes:
Deportation...not mass deportation....HUGE difference. Sure the majority of Americans want our labor and immigration laws enforced....that in no way supports mass deportation as the most viable solution to the illegal immigration issue. Furthermore, if you look at Dobb's "poll" the proposals listed for solving the illegal immigration problem included neither mass deportation nor a guest worker program. It would would be nice to see a poll that addressed those issues...like CNN's scientific polling unit did during the same time period this summmer:
"Creating a program that would allow illegal immigrants already living in the United States for a number of years to stay in this country and apply for U.S. citizenship if they had a job and paid back taxes"
Support 79%
Oppose 18%
Unsure 3%
Do you have anything as far as data to support your position that mass deportation (immediate or incrementally) is the most viable solution to the illegal immigration issue?
December 22, 2006
3:39 PM
Anonymous writes:
Jay and JW are on the outs on this illegal immigration solution. The selective polls, the endless repeating of the mantra about mass deportation, etc. etc. etc.
The race baiting has no effect anymore. The realities of what solutions will work are upon us and more and more rational and unemotional folks can see them. Law enforcement, border closure to illegal traffic, workplace sanctions, and a guest worker program that does not offer a path to citizenship for the illegals currently here (but does give them the chance they sought to work here legally) is the way to go. And guess what? That IS the way we are going, despite the misinformation that our liberal race-baiting friends would like us to believe.
Sorry jay/JW. We've stuck a fork in your guys and you are DONE.
December 22, 2006
3:43 PM
Tim writes:
Jay's poll quoting always falls apart when you discover how the questions were asked and what choices were given.
IT'S ALL OLD NEWS. Jay can't let go of these old numbers because he has no facts to support his minority position.
Same reason you continue to read him use the term "mass deportation". Again old news and irrelevant. Just like Jay.
December 22, 2006
3:52 PM
Suzie Q. writes:
Be patient my liberal idiot friends.
The immigration mess grew over decades. The solution may take a little time, certainly more time that it takes a knee-jerk Democrat to vote for amnesty.
Take a deep breath and sit back to watch how consistent law enforcement and job sanctions will force illegals to leave for home where they will organize to force the governments that have ignored them for so long to change their evil ways.
What a radical concept. And it won't cost very much since migration is a two way street.
December 22, 2006
4:09 PM
jay writes:
The fact is that the vast majority of Americans (a number which includes both Democrats and Republicans) support a guest worker program with a path to citizenship. I have consistenly shown proof of this fact. If you have data from reputable sources that suggest otherwise...now is the time to put up or shut up.
December 22, 2006
6:16 PM
JW writes:
Jay, these people never come with data. Its just their unfounded opinion.
Case in point,
"Take a deep breath and sit back to watch how consistent law enforcement and job sanctions will force illegals to leave for home where they will organize to force the governments that have ignored them for so long to change their evil ways."
If that isn't a pipe dream, I don't know what is.
BTW, Susie is also yet another illiterate using "liberal" as a bad word since she doesn't actually know what it means.
December 23, 2006
8:54 AM
Ben writes:
House Judiciary Committee Examines Cost of Senate Guest Worker Amnesty Bill
On Thursday, August 24, 2006, the House Judiciary Committee held a hearing in Concord, New Hampshire entitled, "The Reid-Kennedy Bill's Amnesty: Impacts on Taxpayers, Fundamental Fairness and the Rule of Law." In his opening statement, Chairman James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) explained that the hearing would focus on the fiscal costs illegal aliens impose on American taxpayers and the impact of the Senate guest worker amnesty bill on the rule of law. Chairman Sensenbrenner continued:
From a fiscal standpoint, illegal immigrants who are legalized will become eligible for a full array of state and federal entitlements at an enormous cost to the government, especially after they become citizens. The Congressional Budget Office just released a cost estimate for the Reid- Kennedy bill finding that it will cost taxpayers $127 billion over a ten-year period. This includes $48 billion for social programs, such as Social Security, Food Stamps, Medicaid, tax credits, and a host of other benefits. And this ten-year estimate does not even begin to capture the long term costs of the amnesty. Amnestied immigrants will generally have to wait six years to get their green card, and another five years to get citizenship. Therefore, the biggest fiscal drain will not occur until after the ten-year mark, when they become eligible for additional social benefits programs.
Chairman Sensenbrenner added that aside from the fiscal costs, an amnesty is fundamentally unfair to legal immigrants who play by the rules and wait in line—especially considering that they patiently wait outside of the United States for their green cards. "It simply isn't fair," he said, "to give preference to those who have broken our laws, and would encourage future lawbreaking by rewarding such behavior."
December 23, 2006
11:25 AM
Anonymous writes:
"I have consistenly shown proof of this fact."
You have consistently cherry-picked polls you like. Means nothing.
The majority of Americans want illegal immigration to end with no amnesty for lawbreakers. The lessons of 1986 ring true today notwithstanding your liberal ideology.
Your defensless viewpoint is old news and irrelevant. Time to move on lemmings.
December 23, 2006
11:30 AM
Anonymous writes:
If that isn't a pipe dream, I don't know what is.
BTW, Susie is also yet another illiterate using "liberal" as a bad word since she doesn't actually know what it means.
Posted by JW on December 22, 2006 06:16 PM
Actually, the poster was quite accurate in labeling JW as a liberal who has admitted he favors amnesty for the invasion from the south. Liberal has become a bad word precisely because of idiots like JW, who by his blind ideology is destined to relive history with his outdated views.
You earned it small guy.
December 23, 2006
12:17 PM
jay writes:
Wow...A lot I can learn here. Since I really don't know what I am talking about, I think I will listen and hopefully learn something. That can hopefully do something about my HUGE inferiority complex.
December 23, 2006
3:43 PM
JW writes:
|Liberal has become a bad word precisely because of idiots like JW, who by his blind ideology is destined to relive history with his outdated views.|
Where as "Jackass" has been and always will be a bad word used to describe people like you.
Seriously, do you get a handicap sticker with that kind of stupid? If not, you should apply. Hell, I'd vouch for you, "That guy? Yea, hes Stupid with a capital S. Give him the sticker. At the very least he wont have to look for his car quite as long. Jackass can't even remember the color."
December 23, 2006
5:05 PM
Anonymous writes:
Hey, everyone. Jay is getting schooled again. Now on the blog on Skiing. Check it out. Hope he opens his eyes, pulls his head out and learns something.
December 23, 2006
6:38 PM
Ben writes:
Posted: November 28, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
More #'s as requested. Ben
By Joseph Farah
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
WASHINGTON – While the military "quagmire" in Iraq was said to tip the scales of power in the U.S. midterm elections, most Americans have no idea more of their fellow citizens – men, women and children – were murdered this year by illegal aliens than the combined death toll of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since those military campaigns began.
Though no federal statistics are kept on murders or any other crimes committed by illegal aliens, a number of groups have produced estimates based on data collected from prisons, news reports and independent research.
Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.
Total U.S. troop deaths in Iraq as of last week were reported at 2,863. Total U.S. troop deaths in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan during the five years of the Afghan campaign are currently at 289, according to the Department of Defense.
But the carnage wrought by illegal alien murderers represents only a fraction of the pool of blood spilled by American citizens as a result of an open border and un-enforced immigration laws.
While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That's 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.
While no one – in or out of government – tracks all U.S. accidents caused by illegal aliens, the statistical and anecdotal evidence suggests many of last year's 42,636 road deaths involved illegal aliens.
A report by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Study found 20 percent of fatal accidents involve at least one driver who lacks a valid license. In California, another study showed that those who have never held a valid license are about five times more likely to be involved in a fatal road accident than licensed drivers.
Statistically, that makes them an even greater danger on the road than drivers whose licenses have been suspended or revoked – and nearly as dangerous as drunk drivers.
King also reports eight American children are victims of sexual abuse by illegal aliens every day – a total of 2,920 annually.
Based on a one-year in-depth study, Deborah Schurman-Kauflin of the Violent Crimes Institute of Atlanta estimates there are about 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States who have had an average of four victims each. She analyzed 1,500 cases from January 1999 through April 2006 that included serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides and child molestation committed by illegal immigrants.
As the number of illegal aliens in the U.S. increases, so does the number of American victims.
According to Edwin Rubenstien, president of ESR Research Economic Consultants, in Indianapolis in 1980, federal and state correctional facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens. But at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in all U.S. jails and prisons.
While the federal government doesn't track illegal alien murders, illegal alien rapes or illegal alien drunk driving deaths, it has studied illegal aliens incarcerated in U.S. prisons.
In April 2005, the Government Accountability Office released a report on a study of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in federal, state, and local facilities during 2003. It found the following:
The 55,322 illegal aliens studied represented a total of 459,614 arrests – some eight arrests per illegal alien;
Their arrests represented a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses – some 13 offenses per illegal alien;
36 percent had been arrested at least five times before.
"While the vast majority of illegal aliens are decent people who work hard and are only trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, (something you or I would probably do if we were in their place), it is also a fact that a disproportionately high percentage of illegal aliens are criminals and sexual predators," states Peter Wagner, author of a new report called "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration." "That is part of the dark side of illegal immigration and when we allow the 'good' in we get the 'bad' along with them. The question is, how much 'bad' is acceptable and at what price?"
December 27, 2006
9:55 AM
Anonymous writes:
Illegal aliens are back in Greeley after the swift raid. Many think the free trip to Mexico was great for buying Christmas gifts while their wives came down and returned them within a week. They are laughing at our enforcement and they are back without jobs having a three day drunk in my hood again. ICE is a big fucking joke. They deport the workers and leave the thieves and create more thieves by taking the jobs away. They should start by deporting any illegal alien that commits a crime and they should use their status as probable cause to investigate all members of the household and deport them too. This would provide a lot of motivation for illegal aliens to not commit crime if they will affect everyone around them. Think about it. We also would tend to avoid economic refugees this way.
December 28, 2006
7:05 PM
Anonymous writes:
Liberal JW and jay like to continually quote polls that offer only two choices about what to do with illegal immigrants - Mass deportation and a path to citizenship.
There is a reason the polls were designed this way. Thinking folks rightfully discount these results because they do not represent the true wishes of most Americans. When similar polls offer a third choice of law enforcement to spur self-deportation after the jobs dry up, most respondents choose this option.
Visit NumbersUSA to understand the larger universe of the illegal immigration debate instead of reading the perpetual misinformation c/o the liberal liars JW and jay.
December 28, 2006
7:45 PM
J hater writes:
Jay and JW,
Do you two have jobs? Or are you paid by the illegals to post all day long?
Get a life!
December 28, 2006
7:49 PM
Anonymous writes:
History of the World & Origin of Liberals and Conservatives
Early humans existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunter/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster (and oysters) in winter.
The two most important events in all of history were the invention of beer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer. These were the foundations of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups: Liberals and Conservatives.
Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle or aluminum can were invented yet, so
while our early human ancestors were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's how villages were
formed.
Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to B-B-Q at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as
"the Conservative movement."
Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly B-B-Q's and doing the sewing, fetching and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement. Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as 'girliemen.'
Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy and group hugs, and the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided.
Over the years, conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by >the jackass. Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.
Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't "fair" to make the pitcher also bat.
Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, athletes, and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies, hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.
Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to "govern" the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more
enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America. Liberals crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get MORE for nothing. Here ends today's lesson in world history: it should be noted that a liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the above before forwarding it. A conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other "true believers."
December 28, 2006
10:03 PM
Anonymous writes:
Google this guy. Think he is an "reputable economist?"
I think the Nobel Prize is saying a litte. He has some very liberal ideas yet is able to see the forest the trees and the impact.
Q & A session with Milton Friedman at the 18th Annual Institute for Liberty and Policy Analysis (ISIL) World Libertarian Conference, August 20-22, 1999, in San Jose, Costa Rica. Co-sponsors: The Mackinac Center for Public Policy; the Atlas Economic Research Foundation.
Q: Dr. Friedman should the U.S.A. open its borders to all immigrants? What is your opinion on that?
A: Unfortunately no. You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state.
December 31, 2006
9:24 AM
Anonymous writes:
Self-deportation is the opposite of illegal importation and will logically follow when the jobs dry up. Whiney liberals just have to come to grips with the fact that laws will be enforced for a change, that employers will be dis-incentivized to the point that they will shun illegal immigrants.
The status quo will predictably invite yet more illegal immigration since saying "this is the last amnesty" did not work in 1986. More and more thinking americans are recognizing the damage that slave wages and illegal immigration are doing to our country and more and more are demanding that we stop the invasion.
NumbersUSA.com offers information that the liberal press will not share about what is happening in Washington through this grass roots effort to convince our representatives that repeating history with yet another wave of amnesty is exactly the wrong way to go.
Read for yourself what you can do to help prevent another amnesty disaster. Tell the JW/jays of the world to go to hell with their race-baiting propaganda and continual misinformation campaigns. Stand up for your rights as Americans and secure our borders.
December 31, 2006
6:40 PM
Anonymous writes:
The tinfoil hat brigade is back in the house
January 1, 2007
1:27 PM
Anonymous writes:
How does "opening all borders to immigration" support mass deportation by attrition. You are reaching tinfoil guy.