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January 18, 2007 7:13 AM

Denver gangs: 'domestic terrorism'

The Denver police gang unit's caseload has increased 83 percent since 2001, report Daniel J. Chacon and Bianca Prieto.

While the figures don't include homicides, Chief Gerry Whitman said about one-third of the city's 58 homicides last year were tied to gangs.

In Denver, attention to gangs has been heightened in the wake of the drive-by shooting death of Broncos player Darrent Williams and the suspected gang connection.

The latest police estimate - from 2003 - said there were 220 gangs with 14,000 members in Denver.

Chief Gerry Whitman, while acknowledging that Denver has a "considerable" gang problem, wouldn't tie the Williams murder to gangs, although two gang members have been linked to the case, reports Charlie Brennan.

"I'm not going to say it's gang-related," Whitman told members of an ad-hoc anti-gang consortium that included several Denver Broncos team representatives.

Despite Whitman's remarks, there was open acknowledgment by others at the meeting that Williams' death was prompting renewed community scrutiny of gang activity.

The 1998 Chevy Tahoe linked by witnesses to the Williams case is owned by Brian Kenneth Hicks, a 28-year-old Crips gang member who was in custody on unrelated charges when Williams was shot.

Willie D. Clark, the 23-year-old Denver man technically in custody on an alleged parole violation but considered a person of interest in the Williams case, is also a Crips member, according to gang experts.

Dave Krieger says the silence of leading pro athletes on the subject of gangs isn't helping the problem.

In fairness, today's players support or maintain charitable programs for a wide variety of causes. Many have their own charitable foundations. But when it comes to speaking out against gangs, the silence is deafening.

Some of that is a conflict between past and present. Players who grew up in tough urban neighborhoods couldn't help but have friends in gangs. Turning their backs when they make it is considered selling out.

Various athletes and organizations have pledged to raise money for Williams' children. It makes you wonder if they could be brought together in a larger expression: a Darrent Williams Community Center, a bigger budget for Open Door, something.

Discussion

  • January 18, 2007

    8:53 AM

    JW writes:

    This is just going to get worse. If you squeeze people economically, they respond with this kind of thing.

  • January 18, 2007

    9:05 AM

    Holier Than Thou writes:

    Policing solutions are like putting a bandaid on a severed artery. The problem of gangs is rooted in economics.

    Families are shattered by a lack of decent paying jobs. Health issues can ruin families that do have decent paying jobs while making it prohibitively expensive for employers to hire.

    Boys who grow up without hope of working in the legitimate economy turn to the black market. This market is created by prohibition just like it always has. Read history from 1890 - 1930 regarding the origins of the Mafia or watch the movie, Godfather, which is based on that.

    So gangsters are, in a sense, living up to the much worshipped ideals of free enterprise. Their violence is necessary because secrecy is a key element of their success. Gangsters are morally similar to Bush and his ilk, only they more often come from the other end of the economic spectrum. The gangster is morally superior to the leadership of this country because he tends to act more from necessity and want rather than a craven lust for more power and luxury.

  • January 18, 2007

    9:10 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    35,000 Democrats coming to town and there are 14,000 gang members in and around Denver.
    How many Democrats can each gang member shoot?

    Answer: 2.5

    Do you think if that happened Denver would take the gang problem seriously?

    Cherry picking members of the streets is not going to work.The only way to seriously put a dent in gang activity is using the RICO stautes against them.

    They also need to protect their witnesses.Two days before the witness that lived in Cherry Creek was to testify.The courts released Tony Hicks girlfriend after being charged with witness intimidation and other crimes against this witness.They let her out on a Monday and wednesday the witness was murdered.

    The police are letting Tony Hicks run his gang from in jail.Someone in there is helping him and being paid off,that is obvious.

    I have written over twenty letters to the RMN,The Denver Post,Columnists,Politicians, the Mayor and others asking them to step up and let the people know there is a very serious gang problem.The Police need more help in building cases against these criminal empires.They need to be taught how to build a RICO case,the D.A. needs to learn how to prosecute a RICO case.If they have to bring in the Federal Government ,do it.All this should have been taking place years ago.Since someone famous got shot now we here there is a gang problem,DUH!!!

    I laughed so hard when Mr.Mayor said in a speach ,he was going to crack down on the growing problem of grafitti.He can't be that stupid to think the growing grafitti problem is just a bunch of budding artists?
    Each piece of grafitti is a gang name,a gang moniker,a message to other gangs,a marking of territory,the bragging of a killing,etc...

    Mr.Mayor seems to think grafitti is vandalism.Someone needs to clue him in.The more grafitti you see the more gang activity there is.

    You want to know how bad gangs in the U.S. are getting?

    In Los Angeles there is a gang called the 204th street gang,it's a latino gang. They hate blacks using a market on the outskirts of their marked territory.They decided to send a message and kill a black person. The happened to see a girl on her scooter.She was 14,they killed her in cold blood.There was a huge uproar and community leaders were working on toning down the tensions.It was announced yesterday in the L.A. press they had a written truce with the 204th gang and others.It was in writing.The 204th gang said it would allow black people to walk or drive through there neighborhood,but they could not use the market.

    THEY WOULD ALLOW BLACK PEOPLE TO WALK OR DRIVE THROUGH THERE TERRITORY!!!!!!

    What the hell is this country coming to?If you don't want Denver to end up like L.A. everyone needs to put pressure on the Mayor,City Council,The Manager of safety,the Police,The D.A.'s and the Governor.

  • January 18, 2007

    9:32 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    rat poison in the water supplies going into gang neighborhoods .... that's the ticket ... got no sympathy for people of any makeup that mark any territory as theirs, except their home, which is the socially accepted norm ... the rest we can dig a mass grave for

  • January 18, 2007

    9:39 AM

    benn writes:

    good point Holier

  • January 18, 2007

    9:44 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    Holier says:
    Families are shattered by a lack of decent paying jobs.

    Should have said, "Families are shattered by a culture that devalues education, pops out illegitimate kids by the truckload, and then does minimal supervision of said kids. Same culture wants to substitute family structure with gang life. Most of this culture's ills are self inflicted."

  • January 18, 2007

    9:48 AM

    Patriot writes:

    Blame everyone but the perp, huh? I grew up in an 'economically challenged' neighborhood and I never joined a gang, never tagged, never shot anyone.
    You can't blame low paying jobs either. You can blame the people who CHOSE to participate in illegal activities. The gangs that are referenced in this blog are not the gangs you see on Godfather... they are kids running around with no parental guidance who then grow older, but remain the same mentally.
    Lack of law enforcement and lack of parental guidance are to blame... not the poor situation of certain minorities.

  • January 18, 2007

    9:52 AM

    Patriot writes:

    Holier,

    Your statement makes me think that you think everyone is entitle to a decent paying job. Why do you think that?

  • January 18, 2007

    9:53 AM

    GeorgiaBelle writes:

    Gee whiz. I wonder what the make up of these gangs are ? Are the gangs made up of Swedish people? of Danish people? of French people? I think its HISPANIC people! and we all know that 80% of them are here illegally. We should have an official hunting season and have no bag limit.

  • January 18, 2007

    9:54 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    In response to Holier than thou- why is it everything can be reduced to blaming "Bush and his ilk"? Is it because you are so *insert insults here*.

    Pathetic. When Dubya is gone, who ya gonna blame?

  • January 18, 2007

    9:59 AM

    gr8fuldude writes:

    The other fallacy in Holier's argument is the role of the family. Gangs are often substitute structures that form in the absence of a strong family structure (Psychology Today, one article published last summer)...In the Godfather, family was THE CENTRAL entity, and the "business" was more of a secondary entity. Do you think Michael Corleone EVER would have publicly dissed his dad? No way in hell! Gang members usually don't have a father figure, hence the gang becomes the "family" that is usually missing.

  • January 18, 2007

    10:03 AM

    Dale writes:

    Several years ago this city stated that gangs were on the rise, many relocating from California. The local police departments responded and (I think) removed/relocated many of them from OUR nice cities. What's happening now? It appears the current city governments are looking the other way to this current problem. This problem is similar to the global war on terrorists; we can't control it either. My solution to both problems: Remove the bad apples from the bag. (A) Kill them before they kill you, okay, that isn't the right approach, but it would solve the problem, (B) get them out of OUR cities (that just gives another nice city the problem), (C) use the heavy hand and prosecute, prosecute, prosecute, even the smallest of crime. We know who many of these local terrorists are, so get them off the street. Maybe even use a little brain surgery on them like in One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest. How about this idea, have the Denver Mayor start supporting the Denver Police Department.

  • January 18, 2007

    10:05 AM

    Petra writes:

    What the STATE & FED. Govt. needs to do is, Send these "HOMIEZ" to fight our wars.. They like to KILL so much why not send them to IRAQ etc...
    so they can do a FREE JOB and then Our TROOPS can come home.
    "Kill 2 Birds with 1 stone"

  • January 18, 2007

    10:12 AM

    J writes:

    We need to treat Gang Member's like terrorist, they have no intetntions on contributing to this country and they should be rounded up and put into prisons we have all the info and can identify them, lock them up and throw away the key.

  • January 18, 2007

    10:17 AM

    &&&&&&&&&&&&&& writes:

    Why spend more $$$$$$$ on prisons
    when they can go over seas and DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for free.. and then burn the bodies till they are ASHES. sweep them away so that we do not need to a PAY for Burials
    I like this IDEA

  • January 18, 2007

    10:36 AM

    jay writes:

    The majority of gangs in the metro area are African-American. My buddy in the APD says there are two reason they can't keep up with the gangs lately. First, many of the gang members that were put in prison in the 80's and 90's are getting out and setting up shop again. Many gangs are also migrating from other parts of the country to set up satellite offices in fertile training grounds in the burbs. Finally, the funds for law enforcement were GUTTED when W took over...I'm not picking on the guy, just stating facts. You want to stop gangs? Fund our legal systems and law enforcement so we have the resources to better fight crime.

    Now...how high do you want to raise taxes to do it?

  • January 18, 2007

    10:46 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    LETS just fumigate (disinfect)
    the areas of. MONTGHETTO oops I mean MONTBELLO and all the HOODS of Denver...
    :)

  • January 18, 2007

    10:50 AM

    HMMMMMMM writes:

    Hmmm, My sources tell me the majority are Latino gangs. But then again you (jay) have never been known to misrepresent or skew the truth. HMMMMM. I wonder if securing our borders and enforcing immigration law would help the gang problem? HMMMMM. Where do 85% the drugs entering the USA come from? HHMMMMMM I wonder if jay is a Latino continously misrepresenting and decimating propoganda for ulterior racial motives? HMMMMMM

  • January 18, 2007

    10:53 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    Who gives a &%*@ if they are BLACK, WETBACK , CHINKS, WHITETRASH, Whatever the hell they are.
    They are scum and need to be Elimated and JAILS are not the ANSWER for this..

  • January 18, 2007

    10:57 AM

    jay writes:

    HMMMM,
    My facts have the support of the Aurora police dept.

    What's your source tough girl?

  • January 18, 2007

    11:04 AM

    Patriot writes:

    GeorgiaBelle
    How would you distinguish the criminal hispanic from the non criminal? If you point a gun at me, I guaranty you you won't live to see tomorrow.

    Petra,
    Criminals don't do what they're told to do as civilians.. how do you expect them to follow orders. Keep your childish opinions to yourself until you can come up with an intelligent thought. Moron.

  • January 18, 2007

    11:06 AM

    JP writes:

    First off, all the comments in here are ridiculous, how could any of you wish death on anyone. DWill was not innocent in all this either, why because he is a Bronco player.? See what the media potrays people as? I'm not saying that Clark or the people involved don't need to be punished. But an eye for an eye is not cool. I grew up with the Gangs and I remember the Summer of 93 VERY WELL when it was nothing but bloodshed. I am really commenting on this SO CALLED LEON KELLY, who the he** does he think he is, he is the biggest SNITCH in colorado. He is not for the kids or the community he is for pimping out lowriders, and messing with the school age childrens moms. LEON KELLY is so crooked and I wish the media would stop calling this idiot a SAINT. get real I grew up in Leon Kelly's little DARE and STREET group and it is all BS. He is making the gangs in Denver look like they are taking over, and they are NOT the law enforcement needs to stop wasting time on BS traffic stops and get on what is really good.

  • January 18, 2007

    11:16 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    HaHaHA
    Patriot
    Is a GANG MEMBER!!!!!!!!!!
    LMAO!!!

  • January 18, 2007

    11:26 AM

    Patriot writes:

    HaHaHA
    Patriot
    Is a GANG MEMBER!!!!!!!!!!
    LMAO!!!

    What a moron... Post a name so I can reference you... coward.

    I've belonged to one gang my whole life... US Army. I can take your head off at 300 meters.

  • January 18, 2007

    11:32 AM

    gr8fuldude writes:

    Patriot - I served 4 years with the USMC. Honorably discharged in the 1980s. I was then, and will always consider myself to be a US Marine.

    Please do not EVER equate the US Military to a "gang". It does a grave dishonor to us all.

    Thank you.

  • January 18, 2007

    11:33 AM

    MoonPie writes:

    Amen Patriot!!!
    Although, I have to disagree on one issue. It's not a lack of law enforcement. Law enforcement does what it can with what its got. You can't fight the fight without the resources. A fight this big demands more energy and a bigger budget than either Denver or Aurora is willing or able to contribute. The feds aren't helping either. Their focus on terrorism has drastically reduced the availability of funds to combat gang and drug problems. If citizens really want law enforcement to do something about the gang problem, they have to be willing to fund not only the law enforcement side of it, but the judicial side of it as well. It is extremely expensive, although worthwhile, to prosecute these creeps to the fullest extent, either through the federal or state systems.
    My thought is that there is no substitute for family and good values. That seems to be what's missing from most of these people's lives. If there was this basis to start out with, we wouldn't be dealing with this issue now. I grew up poor and never felt the urge to go to the "dark side". My parents brought me up to believe in myself and to work for what I've got, even if it's not the most expensive thing out there at least I can say I got it honestly. It's all about integrity and none of these gangsters have it.

    P.S. And to JP, you sound like one of the gangbangers we arrest everyday. Why don't you try getting yourself enrolled back in school and getting your high school diploma? Or if nothing else, at least a grammar and English course. There is a gang problem and it sounds like you're one of them.

  • January 18, 2007

    11:43 AM

    Cali writes:

    "Domestic Terrorism" What the hell? Sounds like typical right-wing, conservative scare tactic...can you say "Weapons of Mass Destruction"?! Be afraid, be very afraid!..."Oh my goodness Mildred," said Connie as she clutched her pearls and reached for her Bible and Martini glass, "those blacks and mexcians are at it again, with their gangs and all...and not to mention those damn illegals..Thank the good Lord for civil white, God Fearing areas like Litlleton and Higlands Ranch, and of course wonderful groups like Focus on the Family!": GULP! "Hey Rosario, I said make this Martini EXTRA DRY DAMMIT! I tell you Mildred, good help is soooo hard to find these days!"

  • January 18, 2007

    11:55 AM

    melvinowens writes:

    i grew up in an impoverished neighborhood. there were gangs who hung out at my jr high school. i did not associate with them. why? because, my mother told me to stay away form people who did not want any thing out of life. it worked. i received a ba from cornell. black people, start raising your children

  • January 18, 2007

    12:00 PM

    JP writes:

    TO MOONPIE
    FYI I have a Business Admin. Degree and have a HS diploma, nope was never a gang member, but know alot about them. Actually I have been in high school, AND IF YOU ARE JUST NOW WAKING UP TO THE FACT THAT THERE IS A GANG ISSUE, YOU SHOULD BE THE ONE ENROLLED IN SCHOOL.

    Ps. MOONPIE don't comment back on education if you don't have any

    LMAO :)

  • January 18, 2007

    12:03 PM

    PETRA writes:

    kudos
    JP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    YOU TELL THEM :)

  • January 18, 2007

    12:40 PM

    Vigilante writes:

    Housing gang members in prison is a waste of taxpayer's money. They don't get rehabilitaed, rather, they get more educated in committing worse crimes with greater success. This is a social ill that can only be eliminated with forceful action. We need an elite inner-city special forces unit that acts more as an underground vigilante network. Start eliminating them quietly and efficiently and use their own main weapon against them--"FEAR". If their hommies start disappearing one by one in the middle of the night---torn from their homes and executed---they will either have a change of heart, or even better, they will all be eliminated in a couple of years!!!!!!!

  • January 18, 2007

    12:58 PM

    Rob Weber writes:

    All this over a bunch of loser deadend kids. They want to be thugs then treat them like thugs. let the police do there jobs and take care of these punks before it's to late. There are to many cities in this country that ingnored the gang problem because of the minorties always screaming racism but then turning right around and wanting somebody else to take care of there problems with there communities. Like Barney Fife would say, nip it, nip it in the bud!!!

  • January 18, 2007

    1:01 PM

    JP writes:

    comment without ATTACKERS. Aren't we all adults here. The gangs are a problem but to take more money from tax payers who don't have it to fund something that most likely will not work. They are throwing up new police stations left and right, but there are no new recreation centers for our children to go to after school.

  • January 18, 2007

    1:05 PM

    JP writes:

    I did not know that placing a comment would create ATTACKERS. Aren't we all adults here. The gangs are a problem but to take more money from tax payers who don't have it to fund something that most likely will not work. They are throwing up new police stations left and right, but there are no new recreation centers for our children to go to after school.

  • January 18, 2007

    1:11 PM

    morgan writes:

    Arent there some illegal gangs from south America and Asisan gangs throught the U.S. and Colorado specificly that are very volatile in our society, start with the illegal aliens that commit heinous crimes with no remorse and I think that will have a very good impact on crime.

  • January 18, 2007

    1:17 PM

    Patriot writes:

    Vigilante,
    Sounds like a scene for 'V for Vendetta II'

    Moon Pie..
    Cops have their hands tied, much like the military. They can't do their job because they are ruled by political correctness... limitations lawmakers put on them... therefore can't enforce the law correctly. Go ahead and ask a cop.

    Cali, residents and businesses are terrorized by taggers on a weekly basis.. no, they're not terrorists, but they are not artists either.

    gr8fuldude
    Didn't meant to hurt your feelings, jarhead. I mentioned the word 'gang' in it's literal sense only (as in a group or a band).. not the way you perceived it.

  • January 18, 2007

    1:57 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    So according to estimates from the Police,we have at least 14,000 domestic terrorists in and around Denver?
    I wonder what the plea bargains were for gang members when Ritter was in office.
    I can see Ritter plea bargaining possesion of a fire arm,selling drugs,stealing cars,and drive by shootings down to jaywalking.$100 fine and don't get in trouble for 3 days.

  • January 18, 2007

    1:58 PM

    David (R) writes:

    For what it's worth, the "gangs" involved here, according to eye-witness accounts, were the bloods and the crips. I certainly could be wrong, but the last I heard from a black friend of mine, they wouldn't allow a white, asian, or Hispanic person in their gang. Maybe that's changed.

    There is a very fundamental social problem here, and it involves a lack of physical, mental, emotional, and financial participation in being a "family", generally by many black males. These aren't my words - they come from prominant members of the black community who recognize it as a serious problem, but there don't seem to be a lot of answers. For those who think it's ALL black males that bail on their children, that simply isn't so. There are a lot of good, honorable black men out there bringing up their kids. Obviously, there needs to be more.

  • January 18, 2007

    2:27 PM

    JP writes:

    I totally agree with you morgan, you are right there are a ton of illegal immigrants that are causing more ruckus than the domestic(s). For Mr. Rob W. I believe you sound some what racist. How can you say treat them that way, you must be someone who has never experienced or had to grow up in a society where the law enforcement labels you, EVEN if your not what THEY think you are. The problem with today's society is alot to do with the state officials, whether it is the DA, Judge, Probation officer, Police Officer, or state official. They label alot of society and they impose on it thru the media. A prime example of how society treats low poverty children, is the NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND law, so many children are left behind, it is not even funny. I was fortunate enough to get up out of the Ghetto and go to school and get an education, but let me tell you it was A STRUGGLE.

    If I could I would change the world. Gangs come in all colors, they are even making up gangs now. It is pathetic but that is society and they only way we can try to prevent it is to start where it began and that is in the low poverty neighborhoods. Those children are the ones that turn to gangs for a family structured environment and they know nothing else. I am speaking from experience and having lived in a neighboorhood that was known during the 93 summer of violence as a block you could not be caught on after dark. So I know what it is like. I myself am not a gang member but I do know alot, whether they be crips or bloods they are all humans and have living breathing organs like the rest. You can blame an individual but it takes A VILLAGE to raise a child.

    and with that being said, I am not the only one who feels and knows this. IF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT want citizens to start speaking up about gangs in their neighborhoods then they should make them feel SAFE enough to do so. Not come down on them as if they were apart of the gang.

  • January 18, 2007

    2:40 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    JP said 'it takes A VILLAGE to raise a child'

    You said many good things JP, but I'm going to disagree with you on this one - and it's actually a BIG part of the problems we have nowadays. Unless you know who EXACTLY is in your "village", and you know EXACTLY how they will act around your child and how they will treat them, YOU can't TRUST your village, and the job is better left to the persons responsible for raising that child.

    I understand where you're coming from on the comment, but there are just too many examples of boyfriends, girlfriends, uncles, neighbors, aunts, clergy, brothers, sisters, cousins, babysitters, etc, etc, harming/molesting/killing children in their care. Until my three kids were at least 14, where my wife and I went, they went, and the ONLY exception to that was once every year or two when either her parents or my parents were visiting, and we KNEW we could trust them with our kids. Granted, most times, nothing bad happens - but we weren't going to take the chance. It's not everyone's way, but it was ours. The "village" concept is overblown and doesn't work for most societies.

  • January 18, 2007

    2:56 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    MS 13 or Mar Salvatrucha from El Salavador- Illegal aliens. Apparently has gangs from L.A. to Northern Virginia.
    That border security fence is starting look good. People on the border have been begging for a physical barrier since the mid 1990's. Build that damn thing already!

  • January 18, 2007

    3:01 PM

    JP writes:

    I agree with you whoever you are, but what I was referring to when I said It takes a village to raise a child. I meant the state needs to step up and help in the low to medium neighborhood, eg. build better recreation centers, offer low to no cost after-school programs. Things of that nature. That is what I meant by it takes a village to raise a child. Not necessarily the family environment that they were brought up in. I believe it takes a lot more. I myself had other positive roll models in my time when I was growing up, sometimes on general purposes the police would stop on our block and give all the kids free Ice Cream coupons or baseball cards or whatever. Now they pull up and throw them on the ground accusing them of looking like a suspect. If the government helped alot with the children of society, GANGS would not be affecting us the way they do.

  • January 18, 2007

    3:40 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    JP - totally agree now. I probably came across a bit strong, and didn't really mean to. My wife and I took HUGE amounts of heat over the years from people telling us that we had a "right" to get out ... go party ... have fun ..... forget the kids ... go to Hawaii for a week ....go to Mexico .... oh man, we just couldn't leave our kids to anyone else. God, I'd rather be dead than to let my kids be harmed in the ways some have been.

  • January 18, 2007

    3:46 PM

    MoonPie writes:

    You can't expect law enforcement to be your answer to everything. We can only do so much. YOU as the citizen need to do your part. You need to bring up your children with a sense of responsibility - something for some reason is lacking in today's society. Do you have any idea how many people call police stations on a daily basis to complain about being stopped by a police officer? Forgive me if I misunderstood something, but that's his JOB. Just as coming down on gangbangers is his job.
    The problems with building new rec centers and things like that as places for our children to go is that once again, nobody takes wants to take responsibility for anything. Kids aren't taught to take care of anything, especially something they haven't had to pay for themselves. Then, you have to consider who would take responsibility if something happened between kids at the rec center. Once again, do you think these kids will take responsibility? Then their parents just want to blame it on somebody else because of course their child would never do anything wrong. IT STARTS AT HOME PEOPLE!!!! TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for yourself and your actions. Bring your child(ren) up to do the same.

    And by the way JP, I have a bachelor's degree as well as a Master's from an Ivy league school and I work in law enforcement, particularly in the area of gang enforcement, so I feel pretty confident speaking out on this subject.

  • January 18, 2007

    3:56 PM

    rudy writes:

    Here's an idea:

    Lock up the gang members parents and/or families, then have the gangster scumbags pick up garbage or work for the community in order to earn credits to get their parents out of jail.

    If the parents/families of these losers cannot instill order within their own ranks, then let them suffer for the problems that these gang member kids inflict on the rest of society.

    And charge the families for their time spent in lock up...

  • January 18, 2007

    4:01 PM

    rudy writes:

    Hey JP:

    Let the government step up??? Village to raise a child??? What happened to keeping parents accountable for their kids developement?...

    You are a douchebag.

  • January 18, 2007

    4:04 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    great plan rudy nice to have brainiacs like you on the case

  • January 18, 2007

    4:20 PM

    rudy writes:

    Hey no-name,

    For a guy with an "Ivy League" education, shouldn't you be working an not blogging? Or do you just project your supposed education to feel better about yourself?

  • January 18, 2007

    4:21 PM

    Dnt H8 Me writes:

    To rudy:
    Don't comment you sound like a RACIST PRICK, don't hate on my comments because you don't like them. Honestly it's JERKS like you who make society F***ed up!!!

    LMAO :)

    Chew on that for a while, and grow up. Catch up with times, no one uses DOUCHE BAG , you IDIOT

  • January 18, 2007

    4:23 PM

    Anne writes:

    How can a problem be solved if no elected official admits there is even a problem? Hickenlooper won't even admit Denver is a sanctuary city! He and his people hire illegal immigrants in his restaurants. He turns a blind eye to the problems. Ritter didn't spare more that a couple of words for the illegal immigration problem during his State of the State address. Tom Tancredo is one of the few politicians that have a realistic take on the situation. It almosts makes me want to switch from being a Democrat to being a Republican! The effect of such an influx of illegals is felt in the schools, health care, criminal justice systems, social services and many of our neighborhoods. The gangs have been a problem for more that a decade but the increase of undocumented aliens has increased the problems. Too many people demanding undeserved benefits have just deteriorated these services. Drive down Colfax or Federal some time and see how the area is falling apart. Some of the solutions I see are: Put up a wall on the border, increase border security, penalizes employers that hire illegals, increase the numbers of police on gang & drug taskforces, crack down on identity theft and declare English the official language. Money is being spent supporting illegals from other countries instead of taking care of our own people. This isn't a race issue, it's a legal issue. If I wanted to live in Mexico or Canada I'd move there! People shouldn't be able to invade our country, demand rights and privileges only due citizens. Privileges we could NOT expect in their countries. America for LEGAL Americans!

  • January 18, 2007

    4:24 PM

    rudy writes:

    Hey "Don't H8 Me",

    I'm an African American male, and very proud of my heritage.

    So that makes you a D-O-U-C-H-E-B-A-G!

  • January 18, 2007

    4:28 PM

    Dnt H8 Me writes:

    MOONPIE,
    How long did it take you to think of those credentials?
    I really believe you have those credentials, because if you did you would focus on the subject and not my comments. So I am pretty sure your lying, but does that matter to me...............um no! so stop replying, it sounds to me instead of you supposedly being very EDUCATED you sound like you have experienced it or a thug yourself. You really need to stop replying to my comments. GROW UP, thought we were all ADULTS here, or maybe I'm the only one. MSG STICTLY FOR MOONPIE, whoever you want to be. So what next I guess you will become ASSISTANT DA !!! LOL
    :)

  • January 18, 2007

    4:31 PM

    Dnt H8 Me writes:

    rudy,
    just because you are AFRICAN AMERICAN does not make you REAL . You are HATING ON YOUR OWN RACE S-T-U-P-I-D A-S-S!!! If you can't see that then you really are an idiot

  • January 18, 2007

    4:39 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    thanks anne there is the semi-weekly illegal immigration rant going on in the Tancredo post if you are interested

  • January 18, 2007

    4:44 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    Anne @4:23
    Amen to that my American sister!
    Has anyone in the press made the correlation to gangs problems and illegal aliens? How about the cops?

  • January 18, 2007

    4:44 PM

    Dnt H8 Me writes:

    It looks to me that this RUDY fella has nothing better else to do then post nasty comments rather than post his own INTELLEGENT comments. You came to RMN to HARRASS people about their comments. EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINIONS. I think you should be bloggin on MYSPACE or some s**t , because this is strictly for ADULTS ONLY!


    Read the name: "DON"T H8 ME" exactly what you are doing Hating!!!!!

  • January 18, 2007

    4:51 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    it is all illegal immigrants fault

  • January 18, 2007

    5:18 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    4:51
    Well, lets take a look at the numbers, I'll bet their is a direct correlation to illegal immigration and increases in gang activities.
    An article in last weeks RMN stated that illegal aliens are rearrested 6 times after initial arrest. Do you see a pattern from that little bit of news?

  • January 18, 2007

    6:01 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    no doubt they are involved but they are not responsible for the majority of it and no need to act like they do unless you do

  • January 18, 2007

    6:18 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    rudy - Why don't you go father some kid that wee all know you'll never support. Next year, you and your babymama can appear on "Maury"...youknowwhatimsayin?

  • January 18, 2007

    6:57 PM

    MoonPie writes:

    Hey Dnt H8 Me -
    When are you gonna figure out I'm not the one making comments toward you? What are you - a flippin' dumbass? Why don't YOU concentrate on the matter at hand instead of my education? I wasn't even directing that comment towards you to begin with. I was qualifying a comment previously made by someone other than you. And regardless of the fact that you've decided to belittle someone who has a higher education (for whatever reason), I will admit that you are quite an astute individual when it comes to jobs. While I am not an ADA, I do work with the District Attorney's Office on a contract basis. Believe me when I say I probably know more about the gang problems in the metro area than anyone posting on this board. I'm not bragging, I am simply saying that I work in gang enforcement to that much of a degree.


    Illegals are very much involved in gangs. Especially in areas of Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Texas. There are areas of Arizona where crimes have risen by more than 100% within just the past year due to gang violence commited by illegals. These gang members just move back and forth between our country and Mexico (usually) but also El Salvador. MS-13 is a very violent group that's just starting to surface in the Denver area. I don't know if the FBI publishes it online but every year they issue a threat assessment that lists top gangs and organizations that are a top priority for them. If anyone's interested, you might check it out. That being said, legals are also heavily involved in gangs as well and the spread of these gangs is taking over even the Mayberry type of town all over the United States. There's no easy answer to this problem but it's going to take a mass, combined movement of all people, citizens, politicians and law enforcement alike, to halt the expansion of these gangs and prevent them from further destroying our communities.

  • January 18, 2007

    7:12 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    85% of all illegal drugs come from across the southern border. That is all gang related and is now in every Mayberry RFD in the USA. Still some want to downplay illegal aliens and the dramatic increase in gang activity. There is a reason the Bloods and the Crips don't go to war with each other in L.A. any more.

  • January 18, 2007

    7:57 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    still wanna provide anectodal evidence and opinion instead of hard truth about hispanic gang members?

  • January 19, 2007

    10:04 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    7:57- Can you disprove any opinion with honest evidence to the contrary about illegal aliens and increases in gangs and gang activity? Of course not.

  • January 19, 2007

    11:04 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    so i take it we can put the majority of gangs are hispanic myth to bed then

  • January 19, 2007

    11:10 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    11:04 ---The only myth's are the ones you are trying to spread.

  • January 19, 2007

    11:25 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    i think we are done here unless you have numbers of any kind proving the majority of gang members are hispanic

  • January 19, 2007

    12:04 PM

    Dnt H8 Me writes:

    MOONPIE:
    Remember this comment you posted ABOUT ME.

    P.S. And to JP, you sound like one of the gangbangers we arrest everyday. Why don't you try getting yourself enrolled back in school and getting your high school diploma? Or if nothing else, at least a grammar and English course. There is a gang problem and it sounds like you're one of them.

    But I guess you weren't being Negative. Give me a fu**ing break, you were being negative. You should have kept your crappy ass comment to yourself. You sound like a person that Judges the books by the covers! Just leave me alone, you started this BS and now you don't like what I have to say.

  • January 19, 2007

    12:56 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    11:25- Where are your numbers proving they aren't hispanic?

  • January 19, 2007

    3:35 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    you are the one claiming that the majority are hispanic. i called your bullshit and think you are wrong. you can not prove it which means you are wrong. thanks for playing

  • January 19, 2007

    4:58 PM

    David Hakala writes:

    "got no sympathy for people of any makeup that mark any territory as theirs, except their home, which is the socially accepted norm ... the rest we can dig a mass grave for"

    You're talking about every state and nation, fool.

  • January 20, 2007

    7:30 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    Hey- January 19, 2007 03:35 PM

    You are the one claiming the majority of gangs aren't hispanic. You have not disproved that they aren't hispanic gangs. No stats or data... nothing. You are either blissfully ignorant or flat out lying.
    Read the paper today. "Colorado is Targeted" here is a quote. It applies anywhere in Colorado, as you already know.

    "With a population of about 88,000, Greeley is home to an estimated 500 gang members, Weld County District Attorney Ken Buck said. Most are Hispanic and are heavily influenced by associations with California gangsters, he said. "

    You should have never played this game. You are ill-equipped to perpetuate your lies.

  • January 20, 2007

    10:37 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    Hey- January 19, 2007 03:35 PM Here some more to go with last post.

    "Longmont Creates Task Force" from today's RMN.

    From head of task force---

    "Baldivia estimates Longmont has 13 identifiable gangs with roughly 400 members, the vast majority being Hispanic."

    Direct result of Con-Agra plant's bringing in illegal aliens, just like Swift in Greeley. Still wonder if their are any correlations? Nice try ese.

  • January 20, 2007

    2:43 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    still waiting on that quote that says the majority of gang member is the state of colorado are hispanic. you are not bright enough to win this

  • January 20, 2007

    5:02 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    2:43
    And your numbers ese? You can't even type correctly. Can you type more than 1 incomplete sentence?
    Can't read very well apparently.
    Being brown and stupid is no way to go through life.

  • January 20, 2007

    7:05 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    i take it you are giving up on those numbers then

    big surprise

  • January 21, 2007

    8:08 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    Still can't read very well I take it.
    Speaking of numbers, I won't do research for you ese, and I know you won't and can't bring numbers to support your myths. You know what the result would be.
    My numbers will be from the RMN and Police Task force commanders. Just read previous posts, and RMN.

  • January 21, 2007

    8:52 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    bullshit officially called and apparently deservedly. next time do not make up stuff out of your crack and you will not have to get the hammer.

  • January 21, 2007

    11:15 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    So your saying the majority of gang members in Colorado are black?

  • January 21, 2007

    11:58 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    never said that. i simply said that your statement that the majority are hispanic is bullshit. and i was right. move on.

  • January 21, 2007

    4:33 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    If the majority of gangs aren't brown in Colorado then you are saying that they are black. There could be no other explanation. So I understand that you are saying the majority of gangs in Colorado are black.

  • January 22, 2007

    12:18 PM

    Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:

    What the hell is this country coming to?If you don't want Denver to end up like L.A. everyone needs to put pressure on the Mayor,City Council,The Manager of safety,the Police,The D.A.'s and the Governor.

    Posted by on January 18, 2007 09:10 AM

    The problem with gangs is that the government does not have the incentive to go after them with RICCO the way they do with big drug dealers. There is no real money to be confiscated with the gang violence.

    JW

    With regard to squezzing people economically, it is a matter of character, not money. These people become more violent as they get more money, not the other way around. I grew up in poverty, and it did not drive me to violence and crime. It gave me the drive I needed to succeed.

  • February 2, 2008

    12:19 AM

    LatinaP writes:

    Ok MoonPie youcan work with any one you want but until you lived then you dont know that much about gangs and the numbers and all that there are so many gangs that are little that people dont know about!.... So check you self befor you start running your month.

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