January 3, 2007 4:11 PM
Has your street been plowed?
Two weeks after the big blizzard, how is your city/county doing on removing snow? The main arteries are generally in good shape but have they gotten around to your street yet?
Mine neither.
As you drive across city/county lines do you notice a difference? For example, driving east on Coal Mine Road between Pierce and Platte Canyon, you cross the Jefferson/Arapahoe line at Sheridan. The Arapahoe side is much clearer.
Have you complained or just been resigned to a rutted, ice-jagged street?
January 3, 2007
4:45 PM
jay writes:
Our street was clear as a bell when we got back on Saturday...don't know when they plowed it. We get more snow than most major cities and have far fewer plows...if you all with a beef about shoveling want to pony up the tax dollars for extra equipment...go ahead. Personally I agree with Owens and Hick that it is not worth the extra expense to dig out once or twice a year. I don't mind driving in snow though.
January 3, 2007
4:57 PM
Snow King writes:
Actually,
Although my street was cleaned last night from 10 pm to 1 am, I am glad that we dont spend money on more plows, as this is a fluke. Besides we americans need the exercise anyway.
January 3, 2007
5:30 PM
Gary writes:
I live in Castle Rock and our roads are horrible, I've only seen 3 plows since the start of the first storm. I'm not real upset because my huge huge diesel 4X4 has had no problem. However the fact that we have 7.5% sales tax, including tax on food, I tend to expect more. But oh well, it's worth it to not live in Denver, been there, done that.
January 3, 2007
5:37 PM
dumbshit replies writes:
yep
January 3, 2007
5:38 PM
Anonymous writes:
gary, CR was a nice little town twenty years ago. now it looks like something out of a californian nightmare.
January 3, 2007
6:04 PM
Anonymous writes:
We have no plows because chickenlooper is too busy trying to get free preschool for illegals and special rights for gays.
January 3, 2007
6:07 PM
Marge writes:
Columbine Hills is like a war zone and forget the cul-de-sacs. We're paying county and city taxes but we don't get the streets plowed.
January 3, 2007
6:12 PM
Anonymous writes:
6:04 would you quit with the pre-school thing already?!? It is getting old.
January 3, 2007
7:24 PM
bufflogal writes:
Surprise, surprise! Our cul-de-sac in Montbello was plowed last night . . . . . 1st time ever. Thanks, Denver.
January 3, 2007
10:44 PM
David Hakala writes:
Those narrow, winding side streets in the Bonnie Brae neighborhood haven't been plowed at all. I can't imagine wielding a plow in there without ripping the doors off many cars. It's just not possible to plow every street in this town.
January 4, 2007
8:32 AM
Please writes:
Westminster has always done a better job on snow removal than Arvada. Our street was plowed once after a neighbor asked everyone to call. I agree with the need for exercise. So when I run on the street, since sidewalks are not done, can cars be a little more kind and move over a bit on a clear street?
January 4, 2007
8:33 AM
Gary writes:
5:38--
Thanks, BTW, are you a native? I am. As far as CR looking like a Californian Nightmare, thats pretty true, but I prefer it over Denver, I lived there for 3 years and hated every second of it. Had to lock my door if I took the trash out, people drive down the alley and throw their Mcdonald's garbage out the car windows. I tried the whole walking to work idea to save gas, stop pollution, and save parking money, and EVERY nite I walked home after dark to see black guys on the street corner saying "yo, my nigga wanna fight?" I'm not a racist, but damn man, that kind of stuff will push people to be.
January 4, 2007
9:35 AM
David Hakala writes:
"when I run on the street, since sidewalks are not done, can cars be a little more kind and move over a bit on a clear street?"
Can you be little more sensible and run around your living room until the sidewalks are clear?
Car: big and hard.
You: small and squishy.
Get it?
January 4, 2007
10:26 AM
Randy writes:
If everybody that now needs an alignment and possibly new tires from needing an alignment had put that money into taxes on plows their would have been plenty of plows.
I live right near South High and have yet to see a city plow. I know one came by days ago, but Louisianna is a mess.
Hick should pay the private plows with the city funds.
January 4, 2007
11:02 AM
Chris writes:
I live in Aurora and a busy street into the neighborhood hasn't had much done to it. A plow came along last week, but when the snow is packed 6 inches deep or more, a plow doesn't work. It's in such bad shape, I've been on many 4-wheel drive roads that were easier on a vehicle. What's sad is that after this long, I think many Denver area cities are more content to wait and let it melt than do something to the neighborhood streets, and we're supposed to get more snow before the weekend.
January 4, 2007
11:14 AM
David Hakala writes:
"when the snow is packed 6 inches deep or more, a plow doesn't work."
Gee, could that be why plows aren't sent? What would you use instead?
OK, here's what everyone should do while temperatures are in the low 50s:
Hook up your garden hoses to your water heaters, run 'em out to the street, and turn them on. That will melt your packed snow and ice. Do it before dark and the Sun will dry out the streets.
The one-time water bill will be a lot cheaper than decades of taxes to pay for little-used plows.
January 4, 2007
11:25 AM
Jacci writes:
Well lets see I live in the downtown denver area, and my streets are TERRIBLE. I am a tax payer and have only seen 1 snow plow on my street. I think this is ridiculous, because everyday I have to leave my residence I have to risk damaging my vehicle because of the uneven pavement. I am really upset being that I notice none of the downtown, lodo side streets are plowed. I guess we don't pay enough DENVER CITY TAXES for CDOT. this is outrageous. Something seriously needs to be done about this being that the snow storm has been over for over a week now.
January 4, 2007
11:31 AM
fiesty writes:
Nope, we haven't seen a single plow in two weeks in our area. As mentioned, Arvada seems to particularly bad in taking care of its neighborhoods. I never had this problem in Adams, even after the blizzard in '03.
We volunteered to take some of the folks in our area out to the store in our 4x4 hybrid, since they have been stuck in their houses for two weeks. (The streets are so bad with packed snow and ice that regular cars are still getting stuck.) My husband is also getting plenty of exercise helping the elderly shovel sidewalks and driveways. :-)
January 4, 2007
11:32 AM
Jacci writes:
Well lets see I live in the downtown denver area, and my streets are TERRIBLE. I am a tax payer and have only seen 1 snow plow on my street. I think this is ridiculous, because everyday I have to leave my residence I have to risk damaging my vehicle because of the uneven pavement. I am really upset being that I notice none of the downtown, lodo side streets are plowed. I guess we don't pay enough DENVER CITY TAXES for CDOT. this is outrageous. Something seriously needs to be done about this being that the snow storm has been over for over a week now.
January 4, 2007
11:45 AM
Mr. Plow writes:
Jacci, which streets in Downtown / Lodo haven't been plowed? I call BS.
January 4, 2007
1:13 PM
am 760 writes:
George Bush hates denver people! If a democrat was in office, this blizzard never would have happened, and the streets surely would have been plowed. The Right Wing media refuses to talk about the 250,000 dead from this blizzard cause they want to protect the right. You turds need to tune into am 760 to get your facts. The republicans allowed this to happen cause they were hoping to kill off left wing voters. Now you know, and knowledge is power!
January 4, 2007
1:41 PM
South Jeffco Plowing sucked writes:
Attention SOUTH JEFFCO residents: If you have issues with your neighborhood street's lack of plowing... please call South Jeffco District Supervisor named Tom at 303-271-5219.
I called last week, and lo and behold, my street was plowed within 24 hours... a coincidence, or does the squeaky wheel get the grease? I'm not sure, but it might've worked in this case!?
Regardless, I think that people should call often to let him know that Jeffco dropped the ball when they plowed the major streets but left us residents plowless for days. I think it's the old 'Let mother nature take care of itself' philosophy, but it doesn't work for 40" of snow in 8 days and low to freezing temps!! What are we paying county property and business taxes for? Oh yeah, that's right... it's the upkeep for the Taj Mahal in Golden!
January 4, 2007
2:45 PM
bubba writes:
I agree that we don't need to buy more equipment, but they don't need to pat themselves on the back on the 5 o'clock news saying ALL streets will be plowed at least once. In my neighborhood there have been no plows on my street or the next one or the next one...
January 4, 2007
3:03 PM
Centennialist writes:
I live in Centennial (you know the city that was created when some very dumb people decided they didn't want to be annexed by Greenwood Village selectively) and our streets are a mess.
Mayor "Any reason to raise taxes" Pie hasn't put out the plows on the suburb streets and I doubt will. With limited resources, he doesn't have much option though. I blame this on the braniacs that thought it was better to create a city infrastructure from scratch than be annexed into an existing city structure.
Thanks for the higher taxes and less services idiots!
January 4, 2007
3:39 PM
Nan writes:
I live in Centennial in between Arapahoe & Dry Creek and Quebec & Holly in the Homestead subdivision Our side streets are a joke. Even though I drive an SUV, it feels like I'm 4-wheelin' through the back country on no roads. I pity those in regular cars because they can barely drive in a straight line. Please plow our side streets!!
January 4, 2007
3:41 PM
A Different Perspective writes:
This text is from a county emergency manager out in the central part of Colorado after todays snowstorm, as reported in the Denver Post:
WEATHER BULLETIN
Up here, in the Northern Plains, we just recovered from a Historic event--- may I even say a "Weather Event" of "Biblical Proportions" --- with a historic blizzard of up to 44+ inches of snow and winds to 90 MPH that broke trees in half, knocked down utility poles, stranded hundreds of motorists in lethal snow banks, closed ALL roads, isolated scores of communities and cut power to 10's of thousands.
FYI:
George Bush did not come. FEMA did nothing
No one howled for the government
No one blamed the government
No one even uttered an expletive on TV
Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton did not visit
Our Mayor did not blame Bush or anyone else
Our Governor did not blame Bush or anyone else, either
CNN, ABC, CBS, FOX or NBC did not visit - or report on this category 5 snowstorm. Nobody demanded $2,000 debit cards
No one asked for a FEMA Trailer House
No one looted
Nobody - I mean nobody demanded the government do something
Nobody expected the government to do anything, either
No Larry King, No Bill O'Rielly, No Oprah, No Chris Mathews and No Geraldo Rivera
No Sean Penn, No Barbara Striesand, No Hollywood types to be found
Nope, we just melted the snow for water, and moved it with tractors
Sent out caravans of trucks and SUV's to pluck people out of snow engulfed cars
The truck drivers who pulled people out of snow banks and didn't ask for a penny
Local restaurants made food and the police and fire departments delivered it to the snowbound families. Families took in the stranded people - total strangers
We fired up wood stoves, broke out coal oil or Coleman lanterns
We put on extra layers of clothes because up here it is "Work or Die"
We did not wait for some affirmative action government to get us out of a mess created by being immobilized by a welfare program that trades votes for 'sittin at home' checks
Even though a Category "5" blizzard of this scale has never fallen this early, we know it can happen and how to deal with it ourselves
January 4, 2007
3:46 PM
jay writes:
Did a couple of thousand people die because of the Bush Administration's incompetence? No?? Then it's not a good analogy.
January 4, 2007
3:49 PM
jay writes:
Besides...I"m calling total bullshit on that post.
http://www.snopes.com/katrina/soapbox/dakota.asp
January 4, 2007
4:06 PM
Anonymous writes:
You don't mind providing the link from the Denver Post where you got that letter do you Perspective?
January 4, 2007
5:17 PM
A Different (if wrong) Perspective writes:
Oooops - my bad - I got it in an email today from a source that is usually very reliable. I knew I should have checked snopes.com first. Sorry for the post folks.
January 4, 2007
6:22 PM
David (R) writes:
I'd call it more of a synergisticly empowered Mongolian clusterf... myself, but some might feel I was overstating things - aw, what the heck.
January 5, 2007
7:11 AM
David Hakala writes:
A Different Perspective : "Oooops - my bad - I got it in an email today from a source that is usually very reliable. "
State Rep. Jim Welker?
http://tinyurl.com/z7plu
January 5, 2007
8:03 AM
peg writes:
I left my home in Westminster @ 6:50 this a.m., I live appx. 4 blocks from the Boulder turnpike. It took me 20 minutes and two incidents of getting stuck in the ruts to give up and go back home. I got as far as Federal Blvd and traffic to get on Hwy 36 was backed up for blocks. Good day to use some "sick time".
January 5, 2007
8:15 AM
William writes:
A plow? What's that. Haven't seen one. So we don't get any trash pickup. Last time trash was picked up was on 13-Dec. So glad they formed the city of Centennial to take such great care of its citizens.
January 5, 2007
10:54 AM
Kevin Jones writes:
In Arvada, we had two plows come down our side street shortly after the first blizzard. Yet they were on their way somewhere else, and didn't plow! We relied on larger vehicles, ATVs and Snowmobiles to pack things down.
I only saw a plow working on my street the first night of the *second* storm. The major neighborhood street has been plowed, but it's still pretty dangerous, and this new snow will only compound the problem.
January 5, 2007
11:40 AM
Anti-Moron writes:
jay, you recycle the Katrina myth and blame the Feds.
People died because of a storm that broke the levees. Fema is not a 1st responder. Corruption in New Orleans was the main culprit followed closely by the State Gov't.
The Federal effort was the best for any natural disaster to date.
I would describe that Snopes tale as 'Fake, but accurate."
January 5, 2007
12:34 PM
jay writes:
The State of Louisiana officially declared a state of emergency and officially requested federal assistance a full 48 hours before landfall and help wasn't provided for nearly 5 days. I'd say that qualifies as incompetence no matter how much of an ideologue you are....
The levees were predicted to fail before landfall...at a federal level....and no preparations were made by FEMA....I'd say that qualifies as incompetence no matter how much of an ideologue you are....
I sure hope if that would have been a terrorist attack the federal government would consider themselves first responders...but maybe you feel differently.
January 5, 2007
12:49 PM
jay writes:
Let me provide you with some factual information that may give you some more tools in your toolbox regarding Katrina...besides debunked emails...and then you can make an INFORMED decision on whether or not the federal gov't dropped the ball:
FRIDAY
At a 9/1 press conference, Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré, commander, Joint Task Force Katrina, said that the Gulf States began the process of requesting additional forces on Friday, 8/26…THROUGH APPROPRIATE CHANNELS…STILL 72 HOURS BEFORE LANDFALL
SATURDAY
Gov of Louisiana declared a statewide state of emergency…and also made SECOND formal request for federal troops the same day…24 hours before Katrina was upgraded to a cat 3 storm…and a full 48 hours before landfall
Also on Sat…“I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster.”---formal request made directly to W by Gov of Louisiana…verified by congressional hearings
TWO FULL DAYS BEFORE LANDFALL, in response to all of those requests the Whitehouse DECLARED A FEDERAL EMERGENCY after which the whitehouse said…”“Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide AT ITS DISCRETION, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency.”…this is on SATURDAY mind you…still two days before landfall…when Katrina was still a Cat 3 storm….and several days after both Chertoff and W were warned that the levee’s could “fail” and produce a humanitarian “crisis”....also confirmed by congressional hearings on the matter
SUNDAY
“We were briefing them way before landfall. … It’s not like this was a surprise. We had in the advisories that the levee could be topped.’”—Dr. Max Mayfield, Director of National Hurricane Center…speaking of W and Chertoff’s knowledge of conditions on SUNDAY…still 24 hours before landfall
On Sunday, 36000 refugees arrive at Superdome…National Guard officially requests (through the appropriate channels) 700 buses for evacuation of people from Superdome and other collection sites in NO…FEMA responds with 100 buses…got the message…just inadequate response….WHAT IS NOW JUDGED AS ONE OF THE SINGLE DEADLIEST INCIDENTS OF LACK OF RESPONSE IN FEMA HISTORY
MONDAY
LANDFALL…7 AM
11 AM…INTERNAL WHITEHOUSE MEMO CIRCULATED THAT RELAYS INFO ON “SIGNIFICANT FLOODING THROUGH REGION” AND “A LEVEE IN N.O. HAS BEEN BREACHED AND HAS SENT 6-8 FEET OF WATER THROUGHOUT THE 9TH WARD”…again verified during congressional hearings…maybe the reason W didn’t get the memo was that he was still on vacation and officially “unplugged”
11:30 AM…BROWN FINALLY OFFICIALLY REQUESTS 10k TROOPS FROM DHS GO TO GULF COAST REGION…ALLOWS THEM 2 DAYS TO GET THERE…AND THIS IS IMPORTANT PEOPLE…THIS ACTION IS 48 HOURS AFTER W DECLARED A FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY AND GAVE FEMA THE AUTHORIZATION TO “MOBILIZE AND PROVIDE AT ITS DISCRETION, EQUIPMENT AND RESOURCES NECESSARY TO ALLEVIATE THE IMPACTS OF THE EMERGENCY”…AND AGAIN…72 HOURS AFTER GOV OF LOUISIANA DECLARED STATE OF EMERGENCY AND MADE TWO FORMAL REQUEST FOR TROOPS. IT IS AFTER THIS TIME IN THE CRISIS THAT EXPERTS HAVE PROVEN THAT MOST OF LOSS OF LIFE TOOK PLACE…again verified by the congressional hearings…requests for troops by Blanco have been confirmed by the head of Katrina Task Force…who of course reports to Dir of FEMA
8:00 PM…Gov Blanco again makes request directly to W for more federal assistance as current response is “grossly inadequate”.
W goes to bed without responding to her request
TUESDAY
11:00 am...more than 24 hours after landfall…Rummy said on behalf of Pentagon that the number of federal troops and resources in the area are adequate....DID THIS GUY EVER GET ANYTHING RIGHT?
First reports of widespread looting and death are reported on CNN, MSNBC, FOX News.
11:OO AM Fema staff members OFFICIALLY (by phone, text message and email according to congressional inquiry) advise their boss that people are dying at the Superdome…once again verified by congressional testimony
The USS Bataan, a 844-foot ship designed to dispatch Marines in amphibious assaults, has helicopters, doctors, hospital beds, food and water. It also can make its own water, up to 100,000 gallons a day. And it just happened to be in the Gulf of Mexico when Katrina came roaring ashore. The Bataan rode out the storm and then followed it toward shore, awaiting relief orders WHICH NEVER CAME FROM THE PENTAGON. Helicopter pilots flying from its deck were some of the first to begin plucking stranded New Orleans residents. But now the Bataan’s hospital facilities, including six operating rooms and beds for 600 patients, are empty.
WEDNESDAY
1:45 AM…FEMA REQUESTS AMBULANCES FOR DYING RESIDENTS BUT DOESN’T RECEIVE THEM BECAUSE AS ONE FEMA EE WAS QUOTED “WE WERE TOLD THE DOT DOESN’T DO AMBULANCES”
11:OO AM Fema staff members AGAIN AND OFFICIALLY (by phone, text message and email according to congressional inquiry) advise their boss that people are dying at the Superdome
12:00 AM Federal Troops arrive…2 DAYS AFTER LANDFALL, a full 4 DAYS after federal emergency was declared, and 5 DAYS after the Gov of Louisiana OFFICIALLY REQUESTED THEM
W ARRIVES BACK FROM HIS VACATION…NOW DECLARES THAT HE’LL FLY BACK TO WASHINGTON AND FORM A “FEDERAL TASK FORCE TO COORDINATE RESPONSE”…2 DAYS AFTER LANDFALL
AFTER TWO MORE CALLS TO THE WHITEHOUSE GOV BLANCO GETS W LIVE ON THE PHONE AND AGAIN REQUEST FEDERAL TROOPS…ASKS SPECIFICALLY FOR ASSISTANCE IN N.O. AND REQUESTS 40K TROOPS…”WHATEVER YOU HAVE”
THURSDAY
7:00 AM… “I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees.”—W, first official press conference. Max Mayfield, Director of National Hurricane Service reportedly starts breaking shit in his office.
January 5, 2007
1:38 PM
Not that jay writes:
The weather alert email that got passed around that Jay and snopes tried to debunk did not come from Colorado or even relate to the colorado storm.
It was originally created and emailed to those snowbunnies in Alaska. A lot of the text that was posted here was deleted. the Alaskan city employee (Anchorage) was censured and nearly fired for his wit.
And for the record, Snopes is not always right.
January 5, 2007
1:45 PM
jay writes:
No one TRIED to debunk that email.
It has been debunked.
I have to do that every once in a while to the ridiculous emails I recieve from some of my republican friends....nothing personal...just trying to keep the discourse factual.
January 6, 2007
8:12 AM
Anonymous writes:
You make the facts up as you go Jay. Proven time and again. You are completely irrelevant.
January 6, 2007
11:55 AM
Anonymous writes:
Jay is about the only person on this blog that DOES NOT make up facts. As he says, do not pout because you just got your ass kicked.