June 12, 2007 9:04 AM
Something's happening here ... Denver council, DNC protestors spar about 'party in the streets'
Predicting a lively and peaceful street scene populated by anarchists and old hippies, organizers of Recreate '68 vowed to "party in the streets" during next summer's Democratic National Convention.
Denver City Councilman Charlie Ward played party pooper, saying the Denver police "would not roll over for any radical group," reports Stuart Steers.
At issue was a proclamation proposed by Councilwoman Kathleen MacKenzie that would have called on police to respect demonstrators' rights at the convention. The Recreate 68 Alliance, which is organizing the protests, met recently with police officials to discuss how Denver would deal with demonstrations.MacKenzie said she is withdrawing the proclamation, pending further discussion among council members at a public safety committee meeting July 11. She said she wanted to be sure that the council did everything it could to ensure that the encounters between police and protesters at the convention were peaceful.
The protest organizers claim the council had backed off supporting the proclamation after some corporate donors to the convention objected to it.
"In Denver when money talks, the Constitution walks," said Glenn Spagnuolo of Recreate 68. Spagnuolo said his group would protest peacefully, and he predicted a lively street scene of "old hippies," anarchists and others. "There's going to be a party in the streets, and they can't stop it."
June 12, 2007
9:52 AM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
When will the anarchists organize their own events, rather than being committed to ruining the gatherings of others? I believe that even Democrats have the right to assemble without being hassled by a bunch of different whackos.
June 12, 2007
10:04 AM
Protest King writes:
how do you protest a group that doesn't stand for anything?
June 12, 2007
10:22 AM
Tree writes:
Did anyone see what the L.A. police department just did with the Mexican protest rally or whatever it was called a couple of weeks ago? Beat everyone down like it was Kent State.
I'm staying very high and dry at the Fort and away from the 16th st. mall during the Dem convention. I saw what the Denver Police can do with a crowd in lodo after the super bowl, tear gas and horses. Denver cops love horses and love night sticks. And a free ticket to beat people down and walk away like it was a 3rd world drug lord power demonstration.
I see denver police using nets and scooping people up like fish and throwing them in a make shift outside detention center under a bridge, just like the cuban invasion in Miami a few years ago. Hold the crowd until the beautiful people have left on their jets, then release the masses.
June 12, 2007
10:22 AM
raoul writes:
Why can't they do their looney, radical, angry leftie thing for all to see?
It would put a face on the extreme left that Clinton, Obama, etc.. are trying to appease and get the vote from.
As for how it makes Denver look? Well, maybe it'll expose it for what is really is: a sanctuary for homeless, illegals, higher and higher taxes, crumbling public school system, inept big government policies, CA progressives, etc..
June 12, 2007
10:23 AM
raoul writes:
Why can't they do their looney, radical, angry leftie thing for all to see?
It would put a face on the extreme left that Clinton, Obama, etc.. are trying to appease and get the vote from.
As for how it makes Denver look? Well, maybe it'll expose it for what is really is: a sanctuary for homeless, illegals, higher and higher taxes, crumbling public school system, inept big government policies, CA progressives, etc..
June 12, 2007
10:27 AM
Anonymous writes:
The Rethuglicans are meeting in Minnesota, King.
Oh wait--they do stand for something--looting the treasury, expanding the federal government, curtailing state's rights, corruption, obstuction of justice, immoral acts of pedophilia and adultry. How silly of me...
June 12, 2007
10:33 AM
gr8fuldude writes:
I'm thinking hta who week will be a great time to do some fly fishing in Wyoming. I can see the protests on CNN without having to be in the front row.
June 12, 2007
10:40 AM
Michael writes:
Hogar,
Good question. But to these people this is their recreation and sport. Unlike most normal Americans who like to fish, boat, ski, hunt, travel, bicycle, garden, and a host of other activities for recreation and relaxation, these anarchists and professional "activists" like to ruin everyone else's gathering and good time. That is what they live for and what they do. That is why they are so angry all the time - in my opinion. They have nothing to call their own, so they want to f*#@ it up for the rest of us.
June 12, 2007
11:03 AM
history buff writes:
"When will the anarchists organize their own events, rather than being committed to ruining the gatherings of others?"
Posted by Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) on June 12, 2007 09:52 AM
LOL. Anarchy means chaos, no organization. Organized anarchy?
"it'll expose it for what is really is: a sanctuary for homeless"
Posted by raoul on June 12, 2007 10:23 AM
So, what is to be done with the homeless? Find them homes? Eh, homes?
Tree, you mean you aren't going to go down to the convention to try to meet Wolf
Blitzer?
June 12, 2007
11:13 AM
Anarchist writes:
We'd love to organize our own events, but we still can't agree on our uniforms!
June 12, 2007
11:17 AM
Howard D. writes:
Deja vu. It's the same old story that liberals believe in free speech as long as they agree with the content of that speech.
Next.
June 12, 2007
11:42 AM
Tree writes:
HB-
I'm going to roll cuban size zeppelins and not leave the fort look out tower. I'm still bidding a $1.75M security contract for the convention. I'll watch for low flying aircraft with my dog. When she barks, I flip the switch to Code Orange and collect the dough and retire early. You in? I need a crew, someone else to handle look out while I take a nap after that fat Chipolte delivery. This job has perks. Paris will be out of jail by then and might be looking for work. We can hire her to order take out food and change the TV channels back and forth between CNN and MSNBC and of course the Comedy Channel.
June 12, 2007
12:23 PM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
HB,
I am not the author of confusion, I just report the facts.
"Violence may ensue in the streets of Denver if police force protesters into free speech pens during the Democratic National Convention planned for next year in Denver, said a group that is organizing the radical protest efforts."
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=2007dnc2008-violence
If anarchists organize in the forest are they stil morons?
June 12, 2007
2:57 PM
Karen writes:
These Recreate 68 people are such losers! Go get a JOB, jerkwads.
June 12, 2007
3:22 PM
Zaugg writes:
The DP can test out their Tasers on the hippies. Oh the horror, the horror, that should be funny.
June 12, 2007
3:30 PM
Anonymous writes:
They won't have to wait until the convention, they can use them the next time the Thuggets are in town...
June 12, 2007
3:38 PM
jay writes:
I'm in Tree...I'll bring the executive double sticks.
June 12, 2007
4:42 PM
Tree writes:
jay,
Where have you heard these words, Bring it on. And pick up 8dude on the way, Paris has been asking about him. Don't forget some good music, the convention will last days. Just don't bring the new Paul McCartney cd, just heard a cut on 97.3. 2 words. Horrible. I was looking around the office for someone strangling a cat.
June 12, 2007
4:51 PM
Tree writes:
jay-8dude-
RMN recommended this site in yesterday's sport page for sports nuts. Vick is going to have the munchies in no time. Did someone give him the keys to my Fort while I wasn't watching?
http://kissmesuzy.blogspot.com/
June 12, 2007
5:55 PM
jay writes:
I heard the same thing about Paul's new disc. Might be time to retire and go back to blowing smoke rings. No surprise about Vick...he and Ricky Williams probably make a good couch couple.
June 12, 2007
8:25 PM
David Hakala writes:
The rejection of a corrupt political system is not anarchy. The Re-create 68 group is challenging the status quo, that's all.
The status quo at all political conventions is to pretend that nothing is wrong about them; that the people have nothing to complain about; that everyone is simply tickled pink with the purportedly democratic process. The status quo is a lie.
That lie is so vulnerable that the liars, like Charlie Brown, are scared to death it will be exposed for all the world to see. Charlie will support anything - including horses, tasers, tear gas, water cannons, or maybe that nifty new Raytheon device that cooks people with microwaves to make them "move along".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System
Brown had better get his definition of "terrorist" straight before he talks about what "legal (police) tactic" can be used to keep the Emperor's new clothes on. Citizens who scare liars are not terrorists.
Kudos to Councilwoman MacKenzie for introducing her proclamation! I think I'll send her some flowers and hope Charlie doesn't call the bomb squad to blow 'em up.
I was 15 in 1968 and living in Chicago. I cut school to eat tear gas and run from homicidal maniacs wearing badges. I plan to attend Re-Create 68's next meeting to see if any of these folks really know what they're asking for. It will be at the Mercury Cafe, 2199 California St., starting at 6:30 pm on June 18, next Monday.
This could be Denver's proudest moment of democracy, or it's chance to live in infamy along with Chicago '68, Kent State, this year's Los Angeles May Day police riot, Tianamen Square, etc.
Either way, DNC 2008 will be one of the liveliest times this town has ever had! :-) The Re-create 68 folks won't ruin the town's fun, Hogar, they will only expose some cherished lies.
June 13, 2007
8:51 AM
Tree writes:
David H-
While you are at the meeting, pick out the under cover agents. They will be there acting like your best friend. And don't forget to smile, you'll have your picture taken getting out of your car with your license plate. The only reason why we have a mandatory law for a license plate on the font bumper.
June 13, 2007
9:06 AM
Shaggy writes:
This just out for the Opening of the DNC. schedule.
7:00 pm Opening flag burning
7:15 pm Pledge of Allegiance to the U.N.
7:20 pm Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
7:25 pm Nonreligious prayer and worship with Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton
7:45 pm Ceremonial tree hugging
7:55 pm Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
8:00 pm How I Invented the Internet - Al Gore
8:15 pm Gay Wedding - Barney Frank presiding
8:35 pm Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
8:40 pm Our Troops are War Criminals - John Kerry
9.00 pm Free Saddam Rally - Cindy Sheehan and Susan Sarandon
11.00 pm Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
11:05 pm Collection for the Osama Bin Laden kidney transplant fund - Barbara Streisand
11:15 pm Free the Freedom Fighters from Guantanamo Bay - Sean Penn
11:30 pm Oval Office Affairs - William Jefferson Clinton
11:45 pm Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
11:50 pm How George Bush Brought Down the World Trade Towers - Howard Dean
12:15 am "Truth in Broadcasting Award" - Presented to Dan Rather by Michael Moore
12:25 am Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
12:30 am Satellite address by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
12:45 am Nomination of Hillary Rodham Clinton by Nancy Pelosi
1:00 am Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
1:05 am Coronation of Hillary Rodham Clinton
1:30 am Ted Kennedy propoes a toast
1:35 am Bill Clinton asks Ted to drive Hillary home
June 13, 2007
9:17 AM
Anonymous writes:
Shaggy-
Flag burning?
Cut back on the Bill O' Rush Hannity show. You really would make the perfect soldier. Dumb as a rented mule.
June 13, 2007
9:40 AM
Tree writes:
No kiddin' Shagman, don't make your daddy take your T-Bird away again.
We have the perfect woman for you shagman, she used to be on this site all the time.
What do you think guys, Shag and Tracey F. make a great couple?
June 13, 2007
9:56 AM
gr8fuldude writes:
Ok Tree, you owe me for a new computer monitor, since I just spewed coffee all over mine from laughing at that one. GREAT couple...would love to see what the late night writers would do with the "if they mated" routine...
June 13, 2007
10:12 AM
Shaggy writes:
Good to see the libbys laughing for once.
I guess you don`t realize the joke is all about you.
June 13, 2007
10:23 AM
Tree writes:
Shag-
Do you enjoy playing poker?
June 13, 2007
10:28 AM
Anonymous writes:
And smoking?
btw, she's still posting under the name "Can I get an Amen"...she still makes the same obvious error that always gives her posts away since she got smacked down last year sometime.
June 13, 2007
10:43 AM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
Posted by David Hakala on June 12, 2007 08:25 PM
The Re-create 68 folks won't ruin the town's fun, Hogar, they will only expose some cherished lies.
I have no problem with anyone challenging authority and pointing out problems. Here is a list of things that I don't think are right.
1. If I am part of a gathering and you wnat to disturb my gathering.
2. If you give false directions to people who are trying to get to my gathering.
3. If you try to shout me down when I am trying to talk.
4. If you throw things at me when I am trying to get to or am at my gathering.
In other words why do you need to disturb my gathering? Why can't you just schedule your own gathering and do your own thing?
June 13, 2007
10:44 AM
Tree writes:
Well, we can pretty much say she used to post under Can I get an Amen.
She would be a great sister in law character to Homer on the Simpsons.
June 13, 2007
10:51 AM
Tree writes:
Hogar-
Don't forget about faking yourself as a secret service agent and ripping one out of a gathering for having a bumper sticker on your car that you don't agree with.
Had to post that buddy, just too easy.
June 13, 2007
10:55 AM
Shaggy writes:
Shag-
Do you enjoy playing poker? --Tree
I love playing Poker against Idiots and Luneys, It`s like taking candy from a baby, why did you want to play?
June 13, 2007
11:02 AM
Anonymous writes:
feisty / mina might be a good match too...
June 13, 2007
11:16 AM
Tree writes:
Shagman-
Perfect. Take Tracey to Vegas today and get hitched. You'll thank me later.
June 13, 2007
11:28 AM
Shaggy writes:
Ha Ha Ha,
Were you waiting all morning for that?
Sorry to ruin your joke but your gonna have to explain that one to me, blew right over.
Hogar,
Why is it that everytime the Liberals protest anything it turns to violence and them making ersses out of themselves?
Why don`t they have their own parade or event?
Why do they demand it is their constitutional right to ruin someones gathering?
June 13, 2007
11:58 AM
David Hakala writes:
Hogar says:
Here is a list of things that I don't think are right.
"1. If I am part of a gathering and you want to disturb my gathering."
I agree, Hogar. Let the homeless gather outside of the Convention and Pepsi Centers.
"2. If you give false directions to people who are trying to get to my gathering."
Are you honestly claiming that I *owe* your people ANY directions to you? BWAHHAHAHAHAHAA!
"3. If you try to shout me down when I am trying to talk."
Like that's gonna happen while you're inside a heavily-guarded Convention Center and I'm outside?
"4. If you throw things at me when I am trying to get to or am at my gathering."
Who said anything about throwing?
"In other words why do you need to disturb my gathering?"
Because you are gathering to do me harm. Same principle as riot control.
" Why can't you just schedule your own gathering and do your own thing?"
Hogar, the thing that is to be done is "petition the government for redress of grievances". If political conventions are the people's exercise of their power to create government, then such conventions are ideal places to gather for my thing.
If party delegates cannot bear to face the people, *especially* the people with grievances, then they should not be delegates.
June 13, 2007
11:59 AM
Tree writes:
Sorry Shagman-
The bloggers didn't come to your rescue and let you walk into that one. You've officially been hazed.
" What's that on your uniform? A delta chi pledge pin........now tuck in those shorts and drop and give me 20 soldier"
June 13, 2007
12:02 PM
David Hakala writes:
Tree warns, superfluously:
"While you are at the meeting, pick out the under cover agents. They will be there acting like your best friend. And don't forget to smile, you'll have your picture taken getting out of your car with your license plate."
Dude, I said I was at the DNC in 1968. You think I just dropped by on a whim? :-)
June 13, 2007
12:08 PM
Shaggy writes:
Sorry again Tree,
I didn`t walk into anything and still have no clue what you are trying to get at.
Must be one of those inside jokes that just you Libs and ilk can understand.
You keep on trying to be funny but make no sense.
If your gonna attack me at least make it understood.
June 13, 2007
12:09 PM
jay writes:
The real question is who is Shaggy's previous alter ego...Mina or Tracey F...Arnie...1st Gen American...Harry...
June 13, 2007
12:17 PM
Shaggy writes:
Sorry jay,
It`s been Shaggy since day one.
But I`m glad I`m getting in your head. Ha Ha
Tree thinks he`s funny because some other libby chimmed in and agreed.
But hey, Lemmings always follow.
If you need some help being funny Tree, just refer to my 9:06.
Now that is funny
June 13, 2007
12:23 PM
Tree writes:
Shag-
No attacks necessary. We were having fun with you. The poker question was the trap door.
Tracey F posted as a stay at home mom that played internet poker most of the day and loved her cigs.
Oh, she also posted as a home schooler with all the answers. She also hates mexicans with a captial H. There you go,match made in heavan, Vegas is calling baby!
June 13, 2007
12:26 PM
jay writes:
Mina would have also made a great match Shaggy. She refused to accept any facts that weren't politically or more importantly theologically convenient while strictly denying her faith as the basis for many of her views....on second thought...KW might be a better mate for her.
June 13, 2007
12:29 PM
Tree writes:
David H-
I'm running out the door for an extended lunch. You're the first person I've ever heard from that attended the '68 Chicago debacle.
Would love to hear more. Did you get clubbed down and thrown in the cooler?
June 13, 2007
12:30 PM
jay writes:
By the way Mark...don't think you could get away with slipping a Buffalo Springfield reference by us.
There's something happening here.
What it is ain't exactly clear.
There's a man with a gun over there,
Telling me I got to beware.
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's going down.
There's battle lines being drawn.
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong.
Young people speaking their minds,
Getting so much resistance from behind.
I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's going down.
What a field day for the heat.
A thousand people in the street,
Singing songs and carrying signs,
Mostly say, “Hooray for our side.”
It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's going down.
Paranoia strikes deep:
Into your life it will creep.
It starts when you're always afraid.
You step out of line, the man come and take you away.
June 13, 2007
12:34 PM
Shaggy writes:
Oh I see,
You assume I stay at home.
You assume I smoke cigarettes.
You assume I hate Mexicans.
You also assume your funny, well you batting 0 so far.
But then again, liberals always count on the pinch hitter for their results.
June 13, 2007
12:38 PM
The Bard writes:
I think thou doth protest too much Shaggy
June 13, 2007
12:39 PM
Shaggy writes:
Assume is what you and jay consider facts.
June 13, 2007
12:48 PM
gr8fuldude writes:
Jay / Tree -
My guess is that Arnie has died, harry is in jail or dead after the Bailey shooting, and 1stGen and the rest just ran out of steam or changed jobs to places where internet use was monitored.
June 13, 2007
1:10 PM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
Dave H,
Let's take a detailed look at this amendment.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
( in my opinion publicly funded education is in violation of this part)
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
( this does not mean that you can prevent me from exercising my religion when I am on government property)
or abridging the freedom of speech,
(this means that I should be able to say what I want any time I am allowed to speak)
or of the press;
(no fairness doctrine, get your own radio show)
or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,
(this means that you had better be peaceable in you assembly, or I can take all means necessary to protect myself from your unpeaceable assembly, which includes ALL MEANS)
and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
(this does not mean you can deliver your petition attached to a brick or other object thrown in my direction, and it also means you can march on government all you want, but other gatherings including the DNC are not the government, they are American citizens who deserve the right to not be hassled by anyone.)
June 13, 2007
1:25 PM
Dirk Gently writes:
I'm totally with Hakala on this one. We need the "lunatic fringe" from time to time to call bullshit. And modern political conventions are RIPE with bullshit. I think they should be allowed to assemble there.
As for the disruption, issue, you have to do some parsing. First of all, sometimes you have to be disruptive in order to be heard. How many of you all have invitations to attend the convention? How many of you have the ability to really truly make your voice heard in Congress? Overt displays are sometimes the only way to convey a message. Secondly, most of the time when violence erupts it's because the police start throwing sticks, tear gas, etc. Despite popular convention, this is what happened in Seattle '99, too. Finally, some of the problem stems from the fact that large protest groups don't vet their numbers as well as they should. Some anarchists are serious and wish to affect change. Some people show up just for the party and to break stuff.
I would agree with Hogar to an extent: "disruption" should not mean hurling bricks or forcibly entering other people's gatherings en masse. But protesting just across the street? Amen.
Which reminds me, there is anarchism as popularly understood (i.e. related to being anarchic), then there is political anarchism (which DOES believe in something), of which none other than George Orwell was committed to in the Spanish Civil War: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism (see "Fight against fascism" for the Orwell reference). I presume these anarchists are more likely to be of the anarcho-syndicalist variety. (Here I would welcome any and all Python quotes.)
Oh, and Jay and Tree: I don't think we should sic Tracey on Shaggy. They think alot alike, but Tracey could often be utterly incoherent, and then blame it on her meds. Even by ultra-right radical crazy standards, she was crazy. Now Mina, that might work--same mindset and politics, same apparent wit married with somewhat less than stellar grammar. They'd be so CUTE together! :)
June 13, 2007
1:47 PM
gr8fuldude writes:
Dirk - I think feisty would also be interesting...Also, does anyone remember Rosie from like a year ago. Brought new meaning to the word stubborn.
True.com and Match.com have nothing on this crowd...!
June 13, 2007
2:04 PM
Tree writes:
jay-
Thanks for posting those lyrics. I have that song going thru my head everytime I click on this "something happening here" blog.
Plant-Jimmy Page covered the song during their '95 tour. Surprised me. Plant said something to the tune of ' When we frist started playing it wasn't to yuppie crowds, it was a different time and place ' and they broke right into it.
June 13, 2007
2:09 PM
gr8fuldude writes:
Tree / Jay - Extra credit to whoever can name the individual member of the band who wrote it...Bueller?
June 13, 2007
2:11 PM
Mark Wolf writes:
Jay,
I knew all the Sixties guys would appreciate that; not to mention the Boulder High kids "being true to their school." Endless summer indeed.
June 13, 2007
2:14 PM
Tree writes:
Shagbag-
Take a breather brother, I wasn't ripping you a new one. If you knew Tracey, you'd be laughing too.
Come on over to the Fort, I'll pass you a healthy bonger and you'll fuuugetaboutit.
8dude-
Anarchist Arnie was a trip. Maybe the psych ward finally did a head count and realized he was missing.
He might have been one of Harry's split personalities.
June 13, 2007
2:35 PM
Tree writes:
8dude- You got me, who?
Since we are on a 60's roll, my gf just bought me an old magazine that was archived and for sale in the hippie section of the mag rack. Moutain Gazette from '68 with a picture of mushrooms on the cover. I better frame it and hang it, spread the love. I love their logo at the bottom of every mag, "when in doubt, go higher". If only those people on the Thompson River could of lived by those words.
June 13, 2007
3:13 PM
gr8fuldude writes:
Tree - You will appreciate this, it was Stephen Stills, who later went on to other ventures after writing BS's only real hit.
Hogar will appreciate this: Bandmate Richie Furay went on to become an Evangelical pastor:
www.richiefuray.com
"Once in a while, you can get shown the light in the strangest places if you look at it right"
June 13, 2007
3:35 PM
jay writes:
It certainly doesn't surprise me that Stills wrote that tune...he wrote some beauties.
Shaggy...we're just jerking your apron strings...relax.
June 13, 2007
6:17 PM
shaggy writes:
Oh how cute, the libbys are still trying to get back at me for my 9:06 post.
Is that all you can come up with.
Get more creative if you want to attack me. Don`t just say how cute I would be with someone I never heard of.
Hint:
It spoiles your criticism when you have to explain it to the Recipient. Anyways I`m glad I`m getting thru to you all finally.
Gotta go now Billy O is on.
June 13, 2007
6:35 PM
gr8fuldude writes:
Shaggy -
People were kidding, and if we really wanted to slam you, we would have matched you with David(R), Hogar, etc.
And btw, if you've ever been in a locker room, you know that being subjected to a little ball busting is simply a way of saying "welcome to the group"...so welcome to the group.
June 13, 2007
8:35 PM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
gr8,
I saw Poco in 1973 and have his first album from the Richie Furay Band. I didn't realize that he was a pastor around here. I'll have to drop in on his church one of these days.
June 13, 2007
8:38 PM
David Hakala writes:
Hogar, where are you getting these fantasies of flying bricks with petitions attached to them? I don't recall seeing any in Chicago circa 1968. Bricks were hurled in self-defense at homicidal maniacs wearing badges, not at peaceable convention delegates.
And no, sticking one toe over the line of "peaceable assembly" does NOT justify "any means" to move that toe back where it's wanted. See "reasonable force" case law.
By your rabidly insane logic, Tianamen Square and Kent State were legitimate police actions. If you think so, then you're ripe for Fort Logan.
June 13, 2007
8:49 PM
shaggy writes:
Dude,
I appreciate that you want to welcome me to your group, but I don`t belong.
I feel like I`ve been abandoned by Bush and CO. and I`m not alone.
If there was a vote to Impeach Bush, I would beat you to the Voting line.
Can`t stand this S.O.B. anymore.
I`m not switching ships,
I`m just abandoning his sinking ship.
I can`t believe his ship is still floating at all.
You all should be celebrating in the streets arm in arm because he is guaranteeing you victory in 2008.
June 13, 2007
8:56 PM
Anonymous writes:
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June 14, 2007
8:51 AM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) writes:
Posted by David Hakala on June 13, 2007 08:38 PM
"And no, sticking one toe over the line of "peaceable assembly" does NOT justify "any means" to move that toe back where it's wanted. "
I said "any means necessary". In my mind if you throw something at me which could kill me, then I have a right to kill you, to protect myself.
"See "reasonable force" case law."
What I read supports my view. If you throw a tomatoe at me, that obviously cannot kill me, so a water cannon would be an appropriate response.
"By your rabidly insane logic, Tianamen Square and Kent State were legitimate police actions. If you think so, then you're ripe for Fort Logan."
Certainly a student standing peacefully in front of a tank does not deserve any response beyond arrest, and I would certainly question the need for a tank against an unarmed gathering. I am not rabid, but I do think that the sort of tacts which have become the hallmark of actions by the left have created a skewed situation which does not have a place in a civilized society. We can still effect all the change that is necessary at the ballow box. People are generally not willing to do it. The fact that most people won't make the changes that should and could take place don't justify any violence or the shouting down of anyone.
June 14, 2007
10:08 AM
jay writes:
Hogar you might want to cut down on the caffeine and Red Dawn reruns.
June 14, 2007
10:11 AM
David Hakala writes:
"I am not rabid, but I do think that the sort of tact(ic)s which have become the hallmark of actions by the left have created a skewed situation which does not have a place in a civilized society."
There you are with vague fantasies and innuendos again, Hogar. What's "left"? What tactics? What situation? What's skewed about it?
When did "civilized" come to mean, "fruitlessly playing by the incumbents' rules"?
WTF kind of "civilized society" is run like President Antichrist's regime, anyhow? If this is civilization, I'll take an undiscovered Amazon tribe of headhunters instead.
" We can still effect all the change that is necessary at the ballo(t) box."
OK, you're not rabid, you're just insane. Believing that change can be effected at a ballot box is as nuts as believing that a baby's gender can be changed during labor.
"The fact that most people won't make the changes that should and could take place don't justify any violence or the shouting down of anyone."
Oh, it most certainly does. See American Colonies v. King George III.