April 18, 2008 7:54 AM
Tancredo to Pope: butt out on immigration policy
Former Catholic and soon to be former Congressman Tom Tancredo blasted the pro-immigrant message of visiting Pope Benedict XVI and accused the leader of the Catholic Church of supporting immigration because it swells attedance at U.S. churches.
M.E. Sprengelmeyer reports:
"I suspect the pope's immigration comments may have less to do with spreading the gospel than they do about recruiting new members of the church," said Tancredo, a former Catholic who now attends an Evangelical Presbyterian Church.Tancredo, a vocal critic of illegal immigration and guest-worker proposals because he considers them to be "amnesty," has criticized the Catholic church in the past for social programs and advocacy geared toward helping illegal immigrants.
Benedict urged the United States "to continue to welcome the immigrants who join your ranks today, to share their joys and hopes, to support them in their sorrows and trials and to help them flourish in their new home."
Tancredo interpreted that as a call for lessening restrictions on illegal immigration and said intruding in American politics is not part of the pope's job description.
April 18, 2008
8:39 AM
jay writes:
yes tom....it's all a conspiracy to swell the church ranks
wow
April 18, 2008
8:44 AM
Shaggy, Soldier of Bens Border Brigade writes:
Maybe the pope would like to send several daily jumbo jets here to pick up the illegals and fly them to the Vatican so they can pilferage, rape and kill their people, not to mention how they financially destroy every organization they get their non-paying grubby paws on.
I would also like to see him import any elected or assigned official that refuse to deport criminal illegals such as Ritter and the Mayor from San Fran.
April 18, 2008
9:47 AM
John Earl writes:
Tancredo is correct about the American Catholic supporting illegal immigration. The U.S. church has lost 16 million plus citizen parishioners over recent years. A lay employee of the Diocese of Fort Wayne confirmed the churches support of illegal aliens as an ongoing strategy to replace the lost church members.
Thanks Tom Tancredo. Please keep exposing the felony conductg of the Catholic church.
April 18, 2008
9:48 AM
John Earl writes:
Tancredo is correct about the American Catholic supporting illegal immigration. The U.S. church has lost 16 million plus citizen parishioners over recent years. A lay employee of the Diocese of Fort Wayne confirmed the churches support of illegal aliens as an ongoing strategy to replace the lost church members.
Thanks Tom Tancredo. Please keep exposing the felony conduct of the Catholic church.
April 18, 2008
10:01 AM
gr8fuldude writes:
The pope needs to get his own house in order before telling the US anything.
That said, Tancredo does have a point: The vast majority of illegal immigrants are mexican, which is a predominantly catholic country. That inflow will only add the the depleted catholic church here.
April 18, 2008
10:18 AM
Recovering Catholic writes:
The DUMBEST thing I have ever read...
April 18, 2008
10:23 AM
Patrick writes:
I'm Catholic and against illegal immigration.
Most Catholics I know in Oklahoma are actually against illegal immigration and are at odds with the heirarchy of the church. There is definitely a movement to bend over backwards for Hispanics in the Catholic Church. I agree that it has everything to do with demographics and attendance.
April 18, 2008
10:24 AM
Ben Soldier in Shaggy's Brigade writes:
Thanks Tom.
April 18, 2008
10:26 AM
just sayin' writes:
Can we get rid of the Italians?
April 18, 2008
10:39 AM
Matt writes:
Well that depends if they're here illegally, just sayin. Once again, our friends with the leftist ideology make no distinction between illegal aliens and actual immigrants.
April 18, 2008
10:42 AM
Ben 's Border Street writes:
Can we get rid of "liberals".
April 18, 2008
10:44 AM
Report and Deport writes:
I saw an article in the newspaper today, it said:
Need help? Call Jesus.
1-800-005-3787
Out of curiosity I did.
A Mexican showed up with a tow truck.
April 18, 2008
11:03 AM
Deb writes:
You had to know the Pope would be a supporter of illegal immigration. After the pedophile priest scandal and also some of the church's positions, the church lost many followers and the Mexicans are now replacing those that left. I also agree with Tancredo. The Pope should worry about his own house before telling our government how to run our country. Too bad the Pope's message to the illegals wasn't to go home, apply and come to this country LEGALLY. Why is he advocating breaking multiple laws to be here?? The next President should make Tancrdo head of ICE.
April 18, 2008
11:04 AM
Ben's Border Street writes:
It bears repeating now:
The Catholic Church wants the USA to shelve the Secure Fence Act of 2006 and the mandated security fence. Yet the Pope will fly back to a soviergn nation that is the Vatican City, which has 60 foot walls around it's entirety, to ensure it's integrity and security.
Posted by Ben's Border Street on April 17, 2008 5:51 PM
April 18, 2008
11:10 AM
citizen writes:
Unless you are a strong catholic, who even cares what the pope thinks or says? He is a lot more important in his own head than to any of the rest of us.
April 18, 2008
11:13 AM
citizen writes:
Unless you are a strong catholic, who even cares what the pope thinks or says? He is a lot more important in his own head than to any of the rest of us.
April 18, 2008
11:17 AM
Ben 's Border Street writes:
I wonder if the Pope encourages illegal aliens to break Catholic Church laws and mandates?
April 18, 2008
11:31 AM
Tina writes:
The catholic church picks & chooses which laws to obey just like corporate america. There bottom line is profit, profit, profit not whats good for the soul.
April 18, 2008
11:49 AM
Shaggy, Soldier of Bens Border Brigade writes:
If the Pope really cared about the welfare of people, he would tell the Mexican Government to do a overhaul of themselves and tell them to solve their own problems and quit imposing their problems and hardships on other countries to the point they are at breaking point.
He should have also stated that a Country is not a Country without Laws and borders that are enforced and secured.
The Vatican should fly him blindfolded to Los Angeles and have him guess where he is at.
My guess is that he would reply he is somewhere in Mexico or some other Latino Country.
April 18, 2008
12:59 PM
Ben-Former Democrat writes:
ALL DEMOCRATS
Border Fence Fight
The Homeland Security Department is waiving more than two dozen environmental and other laws to speed up fence construction on the southern border. Now 14 members of the current democratic majority, including Homeland Security Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson, are joining environmental groups and asking the Supreme Court to force homeland security to obey the laws.
Homeland Security Committee Chairman Bennie G. Thompson (D-MS)
Energy & Commerce Committee Chairman John Dingell (D-MI)
Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers (D-MI)
Transportation & Infrastructure Committee Chairman James Oberstar (D-MN)
Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller (D-CA)
Rules Committee Chairwoman Louise Slaughter (D-NY)
Veterans Affairs Chairman Bob Filner (D-CA)
Intelligence Committee Chairman Silvestre Reyes (D-TX)
Congressman Solomon Ortiz (D-TX)
Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren (D-CA)
Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX)
Congresswoman Susan Davis (D-CA)
Congressman Raul M. Grijalva (D-AZ)
Congresswoman Yvette D. Clarke (D-NY).
April 18, 2008
1:08 PM
gr8fuldude writes:
If the pope cared anything about the welfare of people, he would urge the third world to actually practice birth control and family planning rather than encouraging thos with the least resources to be the one who have the most kids.
April 18, 2008
2:18 PM
Brian in Evans writes:
Living the lifestyle of a pope means being completely out of touch with reality, completely out of touch with society.
April 18, 2008
3:18 PM
Kevin Jones writes:
Curiously enough, Mexico also sends the most Protestant immigrants to the U.S.:
"Mexico, second to Brazil, has the largest Catholic population in the world; and not surprisingly, the largest number of Catholic immigrants to the United States come from Mexico. Mexico also sends the largest number of Protestant immigrants to the United States. Mexicans come to the United States in such large numbers that they bolster both the Catholic Church and Protestant congregations.
“Mexico is the largest Catholic and Protestant-sending country to the United States. Everybody wins numerically. Catholic and Protestant denominations are growing in raw numbers,” Espinosa said. "
National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference
http://www.nhclc.org/about/news/apr2006_4.html
The churches, including the Catholic Church, also pick up the pieces after incompetent ICE raids take parents away from kids, leaving the locals to fend for themselves. One local nun had to take an 11-month old baby back to his mother, who was deported five months before to El Salvador. This was done at private expense, and I didn't see the story in the major Anglophone papers.
Here's what the nun said:
"eso es lo que somos … somos una comunidad cristiana."
"We are a Christian community," she said
Does Tom Tancredo ever favor the standard "Christian Nation" rhetoric?
While I am in favor of strict border control myself--Heck, I even subscribe to Pat Buchanan's American Conservative magazine--I am glad that extra-political figures like the Pope can still remind us of a duty to the strangers among us.
April 18, 2008
3:37 PM
DennyP writes:
just sayin'
Give it a shot.
April 18, 2008
3:46 PM
Ben's Border Street writes:
Kevin,
What you exhibit is misplaced sympathy, the very thing that got us in this immigration mess to begin with. I speak Spanish fluently. I have heard many a conversation of illegal aliens or resident aliens who go around to all the Christian churches to work them. It is a lifestyle. If the churches want to involve themselves in politics, let them pay taxes. They may get an illegal to go to their church, but they will lose my family's participation in their Church. I speak of two churches specifically, The Methodist and Presbyterian. Both of these churches have lost at least one American family(mine) in their pews because of their call for more illegal aliens in their pews, via amnesty.
April 18, 2008
3:58 PM
zeezil writes:
Truth be told Mexico is not a poor country, it's a corrupt country! There's a difference. Mexicans do not live in horrible poverty. People in Nigeria, Bangladesh and Vietnam live in horrible poverty. If our goal were to offer an opportunity for a better life to people living in abject poverty, Mexico would not even be on the list of countries we would look at. IF after providing all available American workers with a job that pays a decent, living wage we still need workers for agriculture or such, why not bring in people from other countries who truly do need a helping hand? People who could not possibly pay a coyote thousands of dollars to smuggle them into the US? People who would appreciate an opportunity to work in the US on a temporary work visa and go home with a tidy nest egg? People from countries who have not fleeced the taxpayers of the US. Countries whose leaders have not meddled in our immigration affairs with the intention of subverting our legal immigration system. Slam the door shut on Mexico and lock it. The world is awash in unskilled labor. We can get any workers we need from other countries. We don't need the people from south of the border. Let's lend a hand to people who will respect our laws and not burn our flag in the streets.
There are plenty of jobs in Mexico.
Unfortunately, we just happen to share a border with Mexico so Mexican leaders backed by their rich elitists ship their uneducated and poor to us to employ and take care of. Truth is, Mexicans realize that the jobs in Mexico pay significantly less with little benefits (thanks to their corrupt and oppressive government) than in the U.S. Why labor in Mexico at the wages being offered because they can make 10 times as much in this country. Why sweep a floor in Mexico for $7 dollars a day when you can come here illegally and make $7 an hour sweeping the same floor. Further, our generous social systems will actually pay you to have babies and give those babies citizenship, thereby providing an anchor to your presence. So on top of your $7 under the table wage, you can get an anchor baby, food stamps, housing subsidies, access to no cost medical care, education, and a bevy of activist support groups and immigration lawyers that will help you stay here.
It's as if they have hit the lottery and you can bet these people will never go back to Mexico so long as they have the economic incentive and a host of facilitators and advocates that aid and abet their presence to remain here in this country.
April 18, 2008
4:00 PM
Independent Thinker writes:
Can we get rid of "liberals"!
Posted by Ben 's Border Street on April 18, 2008 10:42 AM
What does this comment have to do with this article?
April 18, 2008
4:22 PM
Ben writes:
Independent Thinker
Can't figure it out? Are you sure you are using the correct handle?
April 18, 2008
4:24 PM
Like it Is writes:
IT, Ben hates anybody who doesn't conform to his reactionary views. He has a big mouth and the anonymity of the blog allows him to act as a tough guy, but his true character of the proverbial 98 pound weakling usually prevails. You just have to accept that there are very weird people in America who reduce free speech to an artless form of drivel. Better to ignore him and consider the source instead of getting upset over wing nut word mongering.
April 18, 2008
4:35 PM
Ben writes:
Like,
Thanks for telling me what I hate. Apparently tolerance of others views and experiences is intolerable to you. I guess it is easier to blame the messenger than the message.
Your anonymous handle "Like It Is", well, funny but that is the first time I have ever seen it used. Just man up and use the handle you usually use when you pretend you blog with some semblance of significance.
April 18, 2008
5:51 PM
Davis Hlasky writes:
Like It Is should turn off MTV and grab a copy of the Constitution before he talks about free speech. In the words of Inigo Montoya, "You keep on using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
April 18, 2008
5:52 PM
Davis Hlasky writes:
Like It Is should turn off MTV and grab a copy of the Constitution before he talks about free speech. In the words of Inigo Montoya, "You keep on using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
April 18, 2008
5:54 PM
churches that engage in politics need to pay taxes writes:
Tom Tancredo takes a lot of guff for telling it like it is. Keep the faith, Tom.
April 18, 2008
5:56 PM
churches that engage in politics need to pay taxes writes:
Tom Tancredo takes a lot of guff for telling it like it is. Keep the faith, Tom.
April 18, 2008
6:11 PM
Ben writes:
Tom Tancredo says what others only dare to think.
April 18, 2008
10:36 PM
ernie writes:
I do not believe that Benedict should intrude in internal US policy matters, whatever it is. Neither President Bush nor any other American politician brought publicly any of the many problems that the Catholic Church is facing today, some of them greately affecting America.
Respect us and you will be respected.
April 18, 2008
10:38 PM
ernie writes:
I do not believe that Benedict should intrude in internal US policy matters, whatever it is. Neither President Bush nor any other American politician brought publicly any of the many problems that the Catholic Church is facing today, some of them greately affecting America.
Respect us and you will be respected.
April 18, 2008
10:40 PM
ernie writes:
I do not believe that Benedict should intrude in internal US policy matters, whatever it is. Neither President Bush nor any other American politician brought publicly any of the many problems that the Catholic Church is facing today, some of them greately affecting America.
Respect us and you will be respected.
April 18, 2008
11:24 PM
Anonymous writes:
Tom Tancredo is so brave to tell it like it is. He is a fine American Patriot. What really amazes me is how many ignorant patriots can type and operate a computer spewing their rascist trash. Fred
April 18, 2008
11:27 PM
Anonymous writes:
Tom Tancredo is so brave to tell it like it is. He is a fine American Patriot. What really amazes me is how many ignorant patriots can type and operate a computer spewing their rascist trash. Fred
April 18, 2008
11:30 PM
Anonymous writes:
Tom Tancredo is so brave to tell it like it is. He is a fine American Patriot. What really amazes me is how many ignorant patriots can type and operate a computer spewing their rascist trash. Fred
April 19, 2008
5:49 AM
Mike writes:
Thanks Tom
April 19, 2008
6:54 AM
Anonymous writes:
just back from a business trip, and I see, of course, that Jay had to be the first to make a post on this thread, and get it totally wrong by assuming he knows exactly what the Pope's intentions are by urging the US to keep on the slide into the proverbial toilet by allowing unfettered immigration .... suggestion for the pope, send many, many ships and take all the immigrants from meheco back to vatican city with you, and make sure Jay goes with you ... at least Tancredo had the nads to say what he believes and why he believes it ... the pope is just another NIMBY hypocrite who doesn't practice what he preaches .... the catholic church is the wealthiest private institution on the planet ... off the backs of their parishioners ..... let them help their own
and Fred, how about you do a little work and tell us WHY you think what he said was 'racist trash' ... anybody can spout words, but men explain them ... from my view, all Tom did was ask that our laws be upheld, and the majority of Americans want the same .... and by the way, maybe you and ernie could learn to press the 'post' key ONE time???
April 19, 2008
7:34 AM
Jeff writes:
This is the same Catholic Church that looked the other way for so many years during the molestations. Now we should believe they are altruistic in suggesting that we allow illegal immigrants to stay and populate their decimated pews?
NO credibility. NO moral authority.
Thanks T. Tancredo for saying it like it is. Jayhole can crawl back under his cowchip.
April 19, 2008
8:45 AM
Ben - Patriot writes:
Hey Fred, explain yourself and your attempt to connect patriots and racism. I have yet to see it, and you would be hard pressed to find it. What color are these patriots that you refer too? White, black, brown yellow, red?
April 19, 2008
8:56 AM
Uriah VanMetern writes:
Tom Tancredo said it like it is. The Pope has NO authority to tell the US what to do. He is like any other leader just a man.If he were as Holy as some think his Name would be Jesus. He isn't and he ain't .
Ever wonder how much gold the Church stole from South America, taking it from the Natives in the name of the Church ?
April 19, 2008
9:49 AM
Jody writes:
Ive heard so many biggoted and prejedce people as I have in CO.
April 19, 2008
9:59 AM
Anonymous writes:
Its just jayhole again stirring up racist jabs because he has no moral, factual, or realistic standing on the illegal immigration debate.
The j marvin is one sad loser.
April 19, 2008
12:05 PM
Shaggy writes:
Thanks for speaking up for all of us Tommy.
Our screams seem to fall on deaf ears.
April 19, 2008
1:01 PM
American100 writes:
WE DON'T NEED THE POPE'S PERMISSION TO GET RID OF THESE BORDER JUMPERS.
We also don't need Mexico or Mexican's permission.
CALL ICE 1-866-347-2423
When you know of an establishment which you SUSPECT hires illegals CALL.
If they're legal they'll be left alone.
April 19, 2008
1:49 PM
simplyillegal writes:
Does the Pope encourage the United States to break the law? Is he advocating anarchy? I hope not. I believe that all illegal immigrants ought to be humanely deported back to their countries of origin. If they want to get to the back of the line like my ancestors did I'll welcome them. But not until.
April 19, 2008
1:51 PM
simplyillegal writes:
Does the Pope encourage the United States to break the law? Is he advocating anarchy? I hope not. I believe that all illegal immigrants ought to be humanely deported back to their countries of origin. If they want to get to the back of the line like my ancestors did I'll welcome them. But not until.
April 19, 2008
1:53 PM
Anonymous writes:
Does the Pope encourage the United States to break the law? Is he advocating anarchy? I hope not. I believe that all illegal immigrants ought to be humanely deported back to their countries of origin. If they want to get to the back of the line like my ancestors did I'll welcome them. But not until.
April 19, 2008
2:13 PM
Stephen writes:
The Catholic church is nothing but a bunch of kid boinkers. Ask yourself if Jesus ever wished for the church to be wealthy? The Catholic church has billions of dollars in assets. Shouldn't that money be used to ease the suffering of the poor and starving? Protect pedophiles who prey on vunerable children? I don't think so! Go back to the Vatican, Pope. We'll take care of our country without your help. Arrest and deport ALL illegal aliens. If the Pope doesn't like it, send them to Vatican City.
April 19, 2008
2:40 PM
Civility writes:
May God have mercy on your souls.
April 19, 2008
3:54 PM
Observer writes:
Civility,
God does. Report and Deport illegal aliens.
April 19, 2008
4:01 PM
God writes:
Civility, I will strike you down if you ever use my name again to further your agenda and selfish needs.
April 19, 2008
7:40 PM
Holier Than Thou writes:
Why is that every time someone mentions immigration it turns into a disgusting display of racist hatred?
April 19, 2008
8:09 PM
Anonymous writes:
Where are the racist comments?
Expecting people to come here legally IS NOT racist.
Rasist is an accusation used by those who don't have a legitimate, intelligent arguement.
April 19, 2008
8:30 PM
Ben writes:
Holier,
Yeah, you are real clever, and original.
April 19, 2008
8:33 PM
Anonymous writes:
Typical. The King of the Strawman Rant continues to make strawman claims by calling opponents of illegal immigration racist. Jay (this time as Holier than Thou) likes to see people react to his prods.
He's used to being a hypocrite to the nth degree.
Perhaps its time to ignore him and his aliases on this one....
April 20, 2008
1:03 AM
Besse Milohete writes:
This is all a bunch of redneck BS. What a bunch of pendejos. The reason that the illegals come over is because of the jobs at very low wages. A Mexi-CAN while an Ameri-CAN'T. Someone has to give them those jobs. Helloooo. Tom Tancredo is a joke. All of the other Republicans are laughing at him. Why do you think he got no support in his run for president.
The key here is to boycott these companies which will impact the bottom line. Money talks but BS walks. So instead playing sending out border patrols and playing that macho John Wayne BS, set up a redneck network that identifies the companies and businesses that hire the illegals. You may not be able to do anything legally about it, not because of Ritter, but because of GW and his cronies. They know that cheap labor makes big profits. That’s why GW was trying to set up 5 year work visas. Hiring legal immigrants costs too much because then you would have to give them benefits and higher wages. Ritter and the pope just want them treated humanely.
But if you can gather data about these companies and businesses, then set up a web site that names them. Then you will see numbers go way down because there will be no place for them to go.
There you go Cabrones.
April 20, 2008
6:41 AM
Anonymous writes:
The pope should keep to his flock of pedophiles.
April 20, 2008
6:55 AM
Ben's Border Street writes:
Besse,
"redneck"? No need for racist innuendos.
Illegal aliens also come for the multitude of benefits, maybe even more so than to work, in many instances. How do I know? I'm from the border. The fraud of the American taxpayer goes on almost unabated day in and day out.
April 20, 2008
7:09 AM
Ben aka Besse Meculo writes:
Besse, to add on,
Who votes to continue these illegitimate continuation of benefits to illegal aliens via direct means or indirect means? Democrats.
Who votes to sabotage legislation that would end these illegitimate and fraudently gained benefits to illegals via direct means or indirect means? Democrats
Who sabotages any effort to secure our borders?
Democrats.
Who panders to socio-ethnic groups at the expense of the American taxpayer? Largely Democrats.
Ben-Former Democrat.
April 20, 2008
9:28 AM
Shaggy aka Soldier of Ben's border brigade writes:
Thanks for speaking the truth and telling us the way it really is Ben...
Illegals have lowered wages to where Americans who play by the rules can't afford to except those jobs anymore.
Illegals don't assimilate into society, they pay their homage to Mexico and fly Mexican flags here in America solely for the purpose of dis honoring our flag and the American people.
They don't respect our laws.
They don't learn our language.
Our ancestors kissed the ground when they arrived.
They learned the language and were proud to be an American.
They lived and died fighting for our flag and freedom.
They made their children speak English.
They didn't want pity, handouts or special needs. That would be disgraceful to them.
April 20, 2008
9:47 AM
Anonymous writes:
Bess - Educated, informed Americans are tired of being taken advantage of by illegals.
To say Rednecks are the only ones shows YOUR IGNORANCE and lack of knowledge & personal experience with ILLEGAL ALIENS.
I own a construction company and have had a great deal of trouble with illegals using stolen SS#s. They open their own company and work as subs so employers can't check status.
Last month I got 3 1099's back from the IRS with stolen SS#'s, (a federal offense), this month there are 5 less illegals in Colorado. They were making between $50K-$60K per year.
I also have had trouble with illegals stealing. They don't just disobey our immigration laws, they don't feel beholden to observe any of our laws since they aren't accountable.
Actually, there are 10 less. Aside from the 1099 theives, a family of 5 illegals, whose parents had worked for me (until I found out they were illegal) was feeling the anti-illegal heat and so left on their own. AWESOME! So 10 less illegals in Colorado and one less family I will be calling ICE about in June.
The Pope is an extremely political entity and has several motivations. Money being the biggest. The American dollar is much more important to the Pope that the peso.
April 20, 2008
10:14 AM
Tom writes:
This blog a sad commentary on the extreme thoughts and bigotry that still exists here in America. I am so glad that many of your racists views are not in the majority in this country and that our leaders in Washington take the upper road. There is a reason why someone like Tancredo is being forced out of politics. It was the current administration that promoted the opening of the border in the first place.
April 20, 2008
10:20 AM
Bev writes:
Tancredo isn't being forced out of politics.
He has greater leeway without the burden of being a politician.
You will see a wonderful, powerful force in Tancredo once he is out of office and I am already supporting him in those efforts.
I don't see any racist commentary here with the exception of some anti-white bigotry.
April 20, 2008
10:28 AM
Tom writes:
Glad you do not have an important say in anything that is important in this country - stick with your moronic leader - he is yesterday's t-shirt.
April 20, 2008
10:29 AM
Besse Milohete writes:
Youse guys are all trying to cure the symptoms instead of the cause. I had a roofing company replace my roof some years ago. The 5 Mexicans replacing the roof, got $50 each while the roofing company got $11,000. I talked to one of them who was trying to save up money to go to college in Mexico.
You have a chulu that has access to a database. Just have him start listing the companies who hire illegals and then publicize it. The Mexican government has a good thing going with American companies and businesses. You and I are paying for it. They are laughing their tails off because then you vatos blame the Democrats and the Pope. The pope will probably get enough money from them to buy a candy bar.
You're the ignorant ones because you just use your own limited experiences to make innuendos about these people.
April 20, 2008
10:50 AM
Anonymous writes:
Everyone here, who is a LEGAL registered VOTER has something important to say about this and the trend against ILLEGAL immigration.
I don't think most people are against immigration, it's the illegals.
April 20, 2008
11:10 AM
Report and Deport..It's our obligation. writes:
"Youse guys"..
Sad....
April 20, 2008
12:06 PM
Anonymous writes:
I wonder what Obamas racial spiritual adviser of 20 years has to say about the Pope being here??
April 20, 2008
12:44 PM
Besse Milohete writes:
"Youse guys" is what you expect and so I wrote it on purpose. When some of your ancestors came, they raped, pillaged and robbed, and especially our land. Not all of them, probably a small percentage, but some did. After the Little Sand Creek Massacre, the soldiers paraded the genitals of the women and children that were slaughtered in the Capitol Building. Is that heritage that you can be proud of?
The illegals do not have the rights as American citizens, but they have the rights of human beings. The way to fix the problem is to go after the cause and stop the exploitation on both sides of the border. NAFTA has to be fixed, but which candidates are saying that?
April 20, 2008
12:58 PM
Ben-Native American writes:
Besse, Guess what. Everyone's ancestors raped and pillaged. Including yours. What is with the "our land" statement? Haven't you ever heard of Kennewick Man? He was found in Washington state and is of caucasian descent. His remains predates any people of Asian descent(American Indians). So I guess my European ancestors are the real "Native Americans".
April 20, 2008
1:11 PM
Ben's Border Street writes:
Oh, Shaggy, Thank you for your awareness and energy spent on addressing illegal immigration.:)
Besse, I can agree with your take on NAFTA.
Bev, I concur.
Tom 10:14 I suggest you get in touch with your apparent racism and intolerant views. The places one might find racism is those who try to manipulate the debate on immigration by the tired word "racism". Yawn....
April 20, 2008
1:23 PM
Anonymous writes:
Tancredo was the only hope America had to save itself, too bad he didn't have a 70 million dollar war chest!
April 20, 2008
1:24 PM
Anonymous writes:
Tancredo was the only hope America had to save itself, too bad he didn't have a 70 million dollar war chest!
The Pope should worry about the leaders of his cult having sex with little altar boys
April 20, 2008
1:26 PM
Jim writes:
Tancredo was the only hope America had to save itself, too bad he didn't have a 70 million dollar war chest!
The Pope should worry about the leaders of his cult having sex with little altar boys
April 20, 2008
1:27 PM
Chris writes:
Jay is getting desperate once again trying to post as a Hispanic but mixing in Italian phrases (youse guys) - what a maroon.
Same invalid tactic to attack with racism. Same propaganda infiltrated with political pandering which sadly is his trademark.
The Majority of Americans want illegal immigration to end. The majority of Americans want the cycle of Shamnesty to end. The majority of Americans recognize that it is time to pay up for the decades of excesses and temporary profits. Time to pay the piper for the illegal labor addiction that artificially propped up the economy (and cost us billions offsetting apparent gains).
The last thing we need to do is make citizens of all these undereducated interlopers who themselves have become addicted to the taxpayer teat. That would be like selling stock at a low point and locking in your losses.
Sorry Jayhole. It is you and your aliases that represent the small minority in this debate - which is a kind way of describing your reprehensible tactics of race-baiting while offering nothing remotely resembling a fact.
Buh Bye.
April 20, 2008
1:49 PM
Phil writes:
If mexicans are such good Catholics why are
40 percent illigitimate and why is corruption
so common in Mexico.
April 20, 2008
1:58 PM
jayisanidiot writes:
Excellent points Chris. The classic pattern of first person experience with convenient made up scenarios is jay's over-relied upon construct. He just can't help himself. It makes his posts immediately recognizable because of the stretch.
This is what I have been saying for months. The sheer number of his aliases is what he depends on to give his moronic point of view the appearance of conventional wisdom, which of course it is far from.
That is why
April 20, 2008
2:12 PM
Anonymous writes:
I can see what you mean jayisanidiot....how many illegal alien roofers in this country are trying to earn money for college when nary a one has even gone to high school? Jay is too dumb to pull pull this off. He is driven by his hatred of fair-minded americans who don't agree with his stupid leftist ideology. He has been a lie-pumper forever. Everything he says is a lie until proven otherwise. Another poster refers to him as pinnochio. I think that is accurate.
April 20, 2008
2:32 PM
Besse Milohete writes:
Jay, my hats off to you for playing with these pendejos little minds. They don't know where you're coming from. That's right, I'm Jay, we're all Jays, that don't agree with your arrogant and preconceived opinions.
April 20, 2008
2:45 PM
Anonymous writes:
Sure Bessie - you speak spanish and you talked to an illegal roofer paid $50 for a 11k job who wants to make money to go to college in Mexico.
LOL - you are really stupid.
And desperate.
April 20, 2008
2:52 PM
jayisanidiot writes:
AND sloppy.
Hey Bessy - are you from New York and did you have a collision with a child while skiing not to long ago? Are you jay's sister who is a cardiologist?
HA. Man, are you a brick.
April 20, 2008
2:54 PM
Anonymous writes:
wow, from many of these posts, I can see the Klan is well and alive in Denver !!! Shame on many of you and your comments toward those unlike yourselves..........
April 20, 2008
2:58 PM
Chris writes:
A grade school dropout trying to save money for college?
College in Mexico?
What an asshole you are Jay.
April 20, 2008
3:13 PM
Anonymous writes:
Looks like we have enough "legal" American high school dropouts already here - right Ben and Chris?
April 20, 2008
3:17 PM
Al writes:
There are lots of very wealthy dark skinned Americans. It's the illegals and the crime, 40% more kids and total disrepect of Americans and America that has turned Americans against illegals.
I do see some anti-white, anti-American rhetoric going on here though.
April 20, 2008
3:20 PM
jayisanidiot writes:
Don't pout Pinnochio. You do this each time you get called out as the liar you are. Time to MoveOn and get a life.
April 20, 2008
3:30 PM
Anonymous writes:
So now that Tom the Tank has left the Catholic church for the Evangelicals, has he jumped on the Ted Haggerty bandwagon?
April 20, 2008
3:31 PM
Anonymous writes:
So now that Tom the Tank has left the Catholic church for the Evangelicals, has he jumped on the Ted Haggerty bandwagon?
April 20, 2008
3:34 PM
Anonymous writes:
So now that Tom the Tank has left the Catholic church for the Evangelicals, has he jumped on the Ted Haggerty bandwagon?
April 20, 2008
4:00 PM
Anonymous writes:
Glad to see that Tancredo "tanked" in the presidential bid and that he will be out of politics soon - hopefully for good! Finally he will not have a free platform to push his "out of touch and unrealistic" agenda. He is nothing more than an extremist, like other groups in the world that want to push those types of views.
Views like his alienate the rest of the world from our wonderful country. Who even cares what Tancredo says or thinks anymore?
April 20, 2008
5:01 PM
Shasta writes:
Liberals only know how to shoot the messenger. Its because of their empirical hypocrisy that they cannot argue the message. This is why their political aspirations have "tanked" and their faithful continue clinging to flawed dogma.
April 20, 2008
5:08 PM
Chris writes:
No, really....
Illegal alien grade school dropouts saving money for college? College in Mexico?
Just had to ask again. The hilarity of that made-up conversation is astounding. Good work Bessie.
April 20, 2008
5:12 PM
Chris writes:
No, really....
Illegal alien grade school dropouts saving money for college? College in Mexico?
Just had to ask again. The hilarity of that made-up conversation is astounding. Good work Bessie (I mean Jay).
April 20, 2008
6:33 PM
Besse Milohete writes:
Go ahead and laugh at your own conclusions. That just proves to me that you are as racist as some have noticed. But criticizing the pope? You guys are bringing it on yourselves.
April 20, 2008
6:37 PM
Ben- aka Gepetto writes:
I see someone mentioned the Klan in Denver. We like to call them the "Tan Klan". You know, Council of La Raza, LULAC, MeCha.
April 20, 2008
6:47 PM
Anonymous writes:
College in mexico ??? Where???
2012 ticket
Tancredo & Barletta
April 20, 2008
6:51 PM
Anonymous writes:
College in mexico ??? Where??? April fools-RIGHT
2012 ticket
Tancredo & Barletta
April 20, 2008
7:57 PM
Anonymous writes:
Seriously Bessie - tell us that you misspoke like Hillary when you tried to bolster your story about illegal aliens working to save money for college in Mexico. Tell us you are not an alias of jay who is too stupid to make this stuff make sense.
Tell us why you continue to dig a deeper hole.
April 20, 2008
9:50 PM
Besse Milohete writes:
The name is Besse, Cabron and you are digging a nice deep hole for yourself in a special place. I actually feel sorry you pobresitos because you have no sense of dignity for yourselves or for your fellow human beings. The day will come when you will depend on someone else and I hope that you not be shown the same courtesy that you have showed others.
April 21, 2008
7:22 AM
Anonymous writes:
Bessie, We really are AmeriCANs, we do and have done for ourselves for the over 400 years we have had known settlements on this continent. This is the reason the entire third world tries to get into our country.
April 21, 2008
7:33 AM
Anonymous writes:
Bessie, "no sense of dignity".
According to you. Maybe YOU are the one with no sense of dignity for yourself or your fellow human beings.
April 21, 2008
8:25 AM
Anonymous writes:
Still waiting Bessie-jay:
Tell us all that you 'misspoke' when you told us how you have spoken to illegal alien roofers who are saving money to go to college in Messico.
Tell us that you are not just so completely idiotic in your lonely quest to convince us of your political views that you failed to think this character out fully before telling another tall tale.
Tell us that you never post as an alias or anonymously in these blogs - ever.
Tell us what a crumpled little jerk you are jay. So insane with the implosion of your ideology that you should continue to make such poor showings.
LOL.
April 21, 2008
9:09 AM
Besse Milohete writes:
Since some of you told me about your experiences, I told you about mine. You chose to ridicule mine, but I didn't say anything about yours. My conversation was true and not made up, but you won't believe anything that I say.
The next time I had a roof replaced, not only did I make sure that the workers were legal, I made sure that they had benefits and were not being exploited.
There sure seems to be a reluctance to also blame the companies and businesses who hire illegals.
April 21, 2008
9:11 AM
Shaggy aka A racist Soldier of Bens Border Brigade writes:
Besse Milohete,
So you knowingly hired illegals to put a roof on your house?
You are part of the problem.
You should have told the contractor to provide you with proof of their legality.
As long as we have people like you willing to save a few bucks and patron these scummy businesses we will never get rid of the illegals.
Americans are becoming numb to all of you who call us racists because we want an end to illegals.
In other words we could care less if call all of us racists because you people have disseminated the meaning behind that word to the point it has no merit behind it anymore.
Call me a racist all you want...I want the illegals to be deported and get back in line like everyone else who wants to become a U.S. citizen.
That in a nut shell is another problem...Most Mexican illegals do not want to become a citizen...they just want to acquire American money any way they can and return to Mexico.
April 21, 2008
9:13 AM
Bev writes:
If Europeans hadn't come here and settled America, this country would be an extension of Mexico. Dirty, corrupt, and short.
Mexicans should be kissing our feet for civilizing America so they would have a place to run to.
April 21, 2008
9:18 AM
Shaggy aka A racist Soldier of Bens Border Brigade writes:
Good job Besse,
Looks like I posted the first part of that too soon.
April 21, 2008
9:25 AM
Anonymous writes:
Bev,
Mexico didn't want to venture into America because the Indians would and were killing them.
They wanted to lay claim to parts of America after our ancestors tamed it.
btw, they were paid market value for all the land we acquired from Mexico.
April 21, 2008
9:43 AM
Ben 's Border Street writes:
Mexico didn't really "own" any of the U.S., the claim was defaulted to them from Spain. We just gave them fair market value for their claim. Just like with Alaska and Russia, 1/3 of the U.S (Louisana Purchase- France) etc. When the U.S. aquired what is now the U.S. southwest, there were aproximately 14,000 Mexican citizens total, some being Anglo.
April 21, 2008
11:31 AM
jay writes:
LOL...literally.
I haven't posted anything on this thread since being the first one on friday.
I can't believe i'm that far in your heads
April 21, 2008
12:19 PM
Anonymous writes:
jay, you just make yourself an easy target with your nonsense.
April 21, 2008
12:29 PM
Ben writes:
pinochio, If you noticed, you are used to infer/illustrate:
1. Deceitfulness.
2. Isolation of radical left wing views.
3. Overcompensation of deceptitory practices to cover lack of substance.
4. People's innate sadism on a weak contemporary.
April 21, 2008
1:11 PM
sbm writes:
Lots of issues in this string.
Tancredo's comment of the Pope being of favor of immigration to swell ranks shows the congressman's lack of intelligence at best. Having people leave a predominantly Catholic country to go to a pluralistic country where a percentage of them will join another denomination resorts in a net decline in the total Catholic population globally. Latins that are in the US have more options and are more open to options to attend other denominations than they are in their home countries. Congressman Tancredo, Catholic immigration to the US results in less Catholics worldwide, not more.
The real problem with immigration is lack of political will to come up with legal immigration at higher numbers and then to crack down on illegal immigrants. When you have the economic attraction for these people, they will come, just like they have for over 100 years (not all of our forefathers were slaves, suffered from religious prosecution, etc...many came for a new life because they were starving in Europe). Yes, I'm here legally as were my now dead grandparents. But, they could relatively easily come here legally (difficult journey, easy requirements by the US government). They got on a boat and came. "OK, you look healthy. Welcome" was basically their immigration process. At times immigration was more restrictive than others, but many just came. So, it is really not a fair argument to say that previous generations came legally when at times it was quite easy to do so.
We need a significant increase in legal immigration and a more significant decrease in illegal immigration which would result in a net decline in immigration but then we know who is here, where they are from, etc.
As far as the comments regarding Mexico and the Southwest/West of the US. I believe that it is probably good for Mexico that the US now controls this land because it is prosperous, and therefore, acts as an economic relief valve for the less prosperous Mexican economy. It would be hard to argue that if Mexico controlled the Southwest/West that it would be as prosperous as it is today. Essentially TX, NM, AZ, CA would look a lot more like Mexico than like the US if Mexico controlled it.
April 21, 2008
1:16 PM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) "Ask not what your country can do for you...." writes:
The US should continue to welcome immigrants, but illegals should be deported as fast as possible and we should sue the originating country for the cost of returning one of their miscreants.
The pope should figure out how to keep his priests away from kids before he tells us how to run our country.
April 21, 2008
1:35 PM
Anonymous writes:
And the hits just keep on coming:
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/15947711/detail.html
April 21, 2008
1:41 PM
sbm writes:
Tancredo's comment of the Pope being of favor of immigration to swell ranks is amazingly poorly thought out and actually inaccurate. Having people leave a predominantly (even dominantly) Catholic country to go to a pluralistic country where a percentage of the Catholic immigrants will join another denomination resorts in a net decline in the total Catholic population globally. It may surprise Congressman Tancredo, but Benedict is the head of the universal Catholic Church, not just the US Catholic Church. Latins that are in the US have more options and are more open to options to attend other denominations than they are in their home countries. Congressman Tancredo, Catholic immigration to the US results in less Catholics worldwide, not more.
April 21, 2008
2:10 PM
jay writes:
benny, you are one funny little nutterbar.
About what have I EVER been "deceitful"?
can you post an example?
April 21, 2008
2:49 PM
sbm writes:
Tancredo's comment of the Pope being of favor of immigration to swell ranks is amazingly poorly thought out and actually inaccurate. Having people leave a predominantly (even dominantly) Catholic country to go to a pluralistic country where a percentage of the Catholic immigrants will join another denomination resorts in a net decline in the total Catholic population globally. It may surprise Congressman Tancredo, but Benedict is the head of the universal Catholic Church, not just the US Catholic Church. Latins that are in the US have more options and are more open to options to attend other denominations than they are in their home countries. Congressman Tancredo, Catholic immigration to the US results in less Catholics worldwide, not more.
April 21, 2008
2:57 PM
sbm writes:
Sorry about multiple postings. My machine locked each time so I tried it again, not realizing it posted previously.
April 21, 2008
3:14 PM
Cohen writes:
Tancredo is a racist, what a mistake of nature he is! He should be the one deported. And remember, racism and hatred always lose in our history!
April 21, 2008
3:40 PM
Anonymous writes:
Catholic bashing is too easy for some of you. As far as the Catholic Church being the wealthiest...hmmm, by far the largest denomination in the world and probably the largest private organization in the world. I would expect it to have the most assets almost by default given it is so much larger than any other private organization. The comments on the wealth of the Church are clearly misrepresented and a cheap shot that does not consider the context.
I saw a study years ago comparing percentage of income used to support overhead compared to charitable causes. The Catholic Church was among the leaders in giving a high percentage of Church income to charitable causes instead of supporting overhead. I wish I would have saved that study. Anyhow, even though large, the Catholic Church overhead cost is relatively low. I now live in an area dominated by more evangelical churches, I see the size of their churches, the number of staff members at these churches who are paid, the houses of the pastors and staff members, I can believe a lot of these churches have very high overhead. Remember, our priests, bishops, nuns, popes, etc do not individually own their homes, art work, furniture, etc. Besides, the salary for our lay workers, teachers, etc. is really low (I know, I worked for the Church at on time).
Although Catholics in the area I live are clearly less in number than the Baptist, non-denominational churches and the Methodist (some numbers shown in the paper every once in a while), the largest hospital is Catholic and the largest food bank is Catholic. By the way, we do not ask whether our aid recipients are Catholic, nor do we ask whether they are here legally. However, not asking people about their religion and not asking them about their legal status does not mean we are pro-secular nor pro-illgal immigrant, it just means we want to help cloth, feed and shelter the poor just as Jesus commands that we do.
The Church sex scandal. Well, it is hard to argue that one. It is terrible. I read something that the level is less than public schools, less than doctors, nurses and some other religious denominations. However, I do not think we Catholics should measure ourselves against the world standard, a secular group standard or by another Christian denomination standard. We must be better. Basically, it is a failure of the leadership. I believe the leadership gets it now; however, we do not have the public scrutiny nor checks and balances to ensure it (or another type of scandal) does not happen again.
April 21, 2008
4:07 PM
Anonymous writes:
If a CEO of a ginormous worldwide daycare company was found to have been in charge of the organization during a time when thousands of kids were molested...after which the company willfully aided the pedophiles in covering up the crimes and then even facilitated future atrocities by reassigning said pedophiles to other locations...that CEO would be in JAIL...not blowing out birthday candles with the president.
Don't dare try to say that this is "catholic bashing".
April 21, 2008
5:05 PM
Anonymous writes:
I granted you that the sex scandal is terrible. I also think it is a leadership problem. Your CEO analogy probably is not far off either consider the enabling from the hierarchy. However, that does not mean that because of this all things Catholic is bad nor everything the Pope says should be automatically dismissed.
The "Catholic bashing" goes to the number of swipes (some more legit than others) on blogs on why not to consider what the Pope says. Some people won't consider what he says because the Church is wealthy, some because the Vatican has a wall, etc, etc. Perhaps some of the bloggers should look into their own hearts and ask why they are so fixated on finding reasons not to consider what the Pope says.
I agree with the local ____________ (don't want to offend any of our fellow Christian denominations)minister speaks out against abortion, against gay marriage, etc. I don't judge all of him and all he says because of what I perceive as a lavish lifestyle (Armani suits, his fleet of private luxury vehicles, huge private boat on the lake, his multi-million dollar home). When it comes to abortion, he is right. When it comes to gay marriage, I agree with him. If the local _________ denomination wants to pay him whatever they pay him, that is their right. I don't have to agree with it, but I also will not go through a laundry list of reason why to dismiss everything he says. "He drives a $120,000 car and lives in a $2 million house funded by below average income church members, therefore, I dismiss what he says about abortion." What kind of logic is that?
Ultimately if you are Christian, having separated families, having people who are treated as second class, etc is problematic. As a country we are not open to legal immigration at any where near the levels that our country can absorb and benefit from. How you deal with separated families, under served segments of the populations, etc can be debated within a Christian context (sending "them" all back is not a Christian attitude).
You can argue that we need to know who is here for national security and individual security...you can argue that we cannot kill the goose that is laying the golden eggs (the US economy) by having the goose overrun by immigrants... You cannot argue in a Christian context that putting them on buses is an option....that long term separation of families is a Christian option...that denying innocent children who are here an education is a Christian option.
The current system is un-Christian (enabling them to live here as second class humans is not Christian) as are many of the fixes by many of our bloggers.
The flaw in the last amnesty program was not the amnesty...it was that we never provided an adequate legal mechanism for the number of immigrants this country can absorb and can thrive from. Since we did not fix the problem (unavailability of sufficient legal immigration), we were doomed to have this problem again.
So, believe it or not I'm against amnesty without a plan to keep us from having this problem again.
April 21, 2008
5:48 PM
Anonymous writes:
It's funny how amnesty apologists rely on the "Christian" thing to do when they will bash the church in every other blog.
Such are the liberal hypocrites.
April 21, 2008
6:31 PM
A Chrisitan writes:
Invoking moral policy as the sole driving force for granting amnesty to millions of illegal aliens is the myopic approach to the problem that has perpetuated the cycle of illegal immigration for decades.
Family unification is a worthy goal and can be achieved in the country of origin of illegal aliens. It is incorrect to claim that family unification must occur on US soil. The anchor children who are US citizens are not prohibited from living with their parents in their country of origin. Families should stay together.
The real solution to the problem is to force our neighboring countries to stop exporting their poor and make the necessary reforms that will end the poverty that drives these people out. The only way to do this is to have the illegal aliens amass their energy and desire to make their governments evolve.
As an example, Mexico is a wealthy country that could support its citizens were it to abandon age-old racist policies against indigent descendants in their midst. By granting amnesty to waves and waves of illegal "refugees" of that government's willful racist policies, we simply perpetuate the injustice. Mexicans are the driving force of change in Mexico. We should invite them to return home now to finally correct this problem.
While doing the "Christian" thing sounds good or reads well, it is really only platitudes and distraction from the difficult task at hand. That is the only way to prevent the same for the future.
April 21, 2008
7:17 PM
jay writes:
For the last time people...no one is talking about giving anyone citizenship amnesty.
sheesh
April 21, 2008
7:40 PM
Anonymous writes:
Why can't some idiots realize that most Americans do not want to grant Amnesty in ANY form.
Sheesh.
April 21, 2008
7:48 PM
jay writes:
actually...the vast majority of americans fully support some kind of guest worker program with a path allowing applicants to take the steps to eventually become citizens.
THIS IS NOT AMNESTY FOLKS.
April 21, 2008
8:34 PM
sbm writes:
Face it, our immigration policy is broken. Lack of an efficient and more open legal immigration program combined with the lack of an efficient deterent to illegal immigration results in the disaster we have.
Many anti-illegal immigrants groups are fanatics about walls and shipping people out of the country but offer no plan for more legal immigration. Makes me wonder whether their anti-illegal immigrant fever is a cover for anti-immigrant beliefs.
April 21, 2008
8:50 PM
Anonymous writes:
Outdated selective polling in a situation where alternative choices to the question asked did not exist. It is your unwavering support of this strawman poll that reveals your inability to defend your amnesty position.
Can you come up with anything else to support the losing opinion you have? Anything?
Or are all the other bloggers correct when they identify you as a chronic dissembler?
April 21, 2008
8:58 PM
Chris (the other Chris) writes:
Jay has a short memory.
When the program he described came up for a vote in the Congress, controlled by Democrats and overseen by a President who favored this type of amnesty, the plan failed.
It failed because the majority of Americans do not want that type of plan and the Congress famous for poking its collective finger into the political winds knew this.
So by repeating the same flawed poll results, Jay only does what he knows how to do - lie, lie, lie. Just like Bessie.
April 21, 2008
9:07 PM
Anonymous writes:
Granting a path to citizenship, which is the holy grail of illegal immigration, is similar to punishing a home invader by fining him but letting him live in your basement.
Liberal logic - go figure.
LOL
April 21, 2008
9:35 PM
sbm writes:
If you discover someone in your house, give them a job in exchange for food and shelter, you can hardly refer to them 20 years later as an invader.
This blog is losing steam. Can we get Tancredo to make another crazy conspiracy statement? Tancredo, maybe the Pope is against abortion because he wants to shift elections his way in 18 years when the newborns can vote!!
April 21, 2008
9:45 PM
Besse Milohete writes:
Hey Chris,
What a pendejo you are. So you finally found something that you disagree with the president. Man stop the presses. George the almighty Bush is wrong on something. I can't believe it. The problem is that he just wants to exploit the migrants. Next time you eat a piece of lettuce in your salad, you never know if a Mexican wiped his ass with it.
So I take it that you did not celebrate the Caesar Chavez holiday. He was about legal immigrants, I hope you know.
The fact that you can't comprehend that a Mexican would go to college does indeed show that you are redneck racist and you can kiss my big brown fundillo.
April 22, 2008
1:37 AM
PRO-LEGAL writes:
Sad to say I'm a Catholic. But I don't like how our Pope address the illegal aliens issue here in our country. When you say immigrant/s they are the one's who came here the right and legal way, period. Unfortunately illegal aliens, unauthorized foreign nationals, undocumented individuals or group, lawbreakers/violator of our US immigration laws are trying to pass off as immigrant/s. They are fake and impostors. The Catholic Church knows it but tries to hide it. They even has this so called "Justice for Immigrants". But when you analyze the individuals or people involved it turn out that they are in the United States illegally either they just crossed the border or overstayed. What a "SHAME"!
April 22, 2008
6:43 AM
sbm writes:
I could fall back on the argument that my grandparent's are legal immigrants so these people should do it legally also. However, my grandparents got on a boat and showed up. They looked healthy, so they we let in. It was quite easy to legally enter at times previously (the scene with Vito Corleone in the "Godfather" emigrating is probably not far from the truth).
We have helped create the problem of illegal immigration by making legal immigration nearly impossible for less educated laborers despite the fact the economy can absorb these people and leverage their labor. In fact, we've made immigration by the educated more difficult as well, but that is not the subject of this blog string.
Our political leadership on both sides have failed us by not having a comprehensive plan.
April 22, 2008
6:03 PM
Chris (the other Chris) writes:
Poor Bessie-Jay
You like to twist people's words. That is a perennial sign of weakness chiquita. I marveled at your blunder when you told your first person testimony of the poor illegal alien working on your roof.
You see, when you manufacture characters and scenarios you need to fact check before you launch. This is what makes you a puta for trying to pull heartstrings with a BS story.
I'm convinced that you are a fraud. Many others are as well.
Buh Bye.
April 22, 2008
6:16 PM
Anonymous writes:
More Liberal Logic:
When you invite invaders into your home and give them a job you are an illegal employer. You don't protect them from harm and dump them on the street if they get hurt working for you. Then you expect me to support them when you are finished exploiting.
Now you know why Americans are done with endless cycles of illegal immigration and amnesty. It ain't gonna happen no mo'.
April 22, 2008
7:08 PM
sbm writes:
Lots of name calling, frauds, fakes, etc.
Right after my last blog, there is a reference to frauds...maybe aimed at me, maybe not, but interesting timing.
Of course I can't ask my dead grandparents if they were really immigrants or not...but the few family records we have indicate that they are.
I was also called a liberal hypocrite. Of course I'm the only liberal who is pro-life, anti-gay marriage and defends the Pope. By the way I also send my kids to a Baptist run school. I'm in an area of the South without a lot of Catholics...I pay tuition to a conservative Baptist high school because maybe I'm trying to corrupt the Baptists from within (which of course is what a liberal hypocrite would do).
Handing out labels and calling names are easier than sticking to the point. Don't know what to say...flaw in your rationalizations (I couldn't bring myself to use the word "logic" for your points), call the person a liberal, a fraud, whatever. I showed some of my liberal friends that I was referred to as a liberal, we had a good laugh...thanks for that...it made for an enjoyable moment.
Wow "no mo" illegal immigration. Last time I checked it was still going on, and it will despite all the crazy conspiracy theories of Tancredo (Pope is increasing Catholics by moving Catholics supporting the movement of Catholics from predominantly Catholic countries to pluralistic countries...what??) and despite the immigrant bashing (refering to people's grubby hands, Tan Klan, etc smacks of racism).
"Oh the Mexicans are racists", they cry. "They make us hate them." "They called us names first." I paraphrasing, but the point is ..whatever...I dismissed this type of rationalization from my kids when they were in grade school.
I have yet to see the illegal immigrant bashing crowd support a plan on how to increase legal immigration.
What is you plan to increase legal immigration?
April 23, 2008
10:29 PM
jay writes:
"It failed because the majority of Americans do not want that type of plan"
you know...if you could provide proof that your position is correct you wouldn't have to resort to willfully ignorance and lying
April 24, 2008
7:27 AM
Anonymous writes:
Uh, the plan crash and burned in the Congress after our esteemed elected officials tapped into the will of the American people.
You must have been pulling your pud during those high profile events.
LOL.
April 24, 2008
8:45 AM
sbm writes:
The plan discussed by our politicians was DOA because of the "amnesty" provisions (I'm not debating here whether it was amnesty or not). There was no real discussion on increasing legal immigration due to the "amnesty" problem. Sometimes you have to really study and understand the events as opposed to looking for things that feed into your predetermined conclusion.
Until I read this blog (and started to participate), I did not realize how much of the anti-illegal immigration rantings are covers for anti-immigration feelings.
Just read this morning that a virtual fence program has been cancelled (put on hold, something like that) since it did not work. There is no serious effort to build a real fence. People are still pouring across the borders (The flow has probably slowed a bit more because of a slower economy than because of our efforts to stop them). As long as anti-illegal immigration efforts have no counter balancing enhanced legal immigration plan, they will fail as they have been for 20 or 30 years.
Not that a 30 year track record of failure predetermines failure going forward, but I don't see a lot of introspective thinking going on here on why the anti-illegal rantings have failed so miserably and on how to reach success.
April 24, 2008
5:17 PM
Matthew writes:
I read SBM's call for more legal immigration to mean more legal immigration from Mexico, since that is where the bulk of illegal immigration (and drugs, and potential terrorists) stems from.
For those of us familiar with the economies of both countries, this is a big win for Mexico and a big loss for the US.
The illegals here already should be given temporary working status to fill the needs in seasonal industry. A path to citizenship is the worst thing we can do for chronic criminals who depress the labor market and steal identities every day.
More legal immigration of skilled workers with an education will bolster our economy, not the other way around.
April 24, 2008
5:19 PM
Matthew writes:
I read SBM's call for more legal immigration to mean more legal immigration from Mexico, since that is where the bulk of illegal immigration (and drugs, and potential terrorists) stems from.
For those of us familiar with the economies of both countries, this is a big win for Mexico and a big loss for the US.
The illegals here already should be given temporary working status to fill the needs in seasonal industry. A path to citizenship is the worst thing we can do for chronic criminals who depress the labor market and steal identities every day.
More legal immigration of skilled workers with an education will bolster our economy, not the other way around.
April 24, 2008
9:20 PM
sbm writes:
Actually, I think we need more legal skilled and unskilled immigration. If the lower skilled jobs are filled, we take away the major attraction for illegals to come. With that, you increase border enforcement, punishment of employers of illegals, etc. Will most legals be from Mexico, probably, but ultimately you could fill lower skilled jobs from other countries as well.
Skilled legal immigrants - yes we need more. Let other countries raise them, educate them, and then offer the best jobs here...that is a great way to go.
I don't agree that more legals from Mexico will hurt US and help Mexico. How? If they work, pay taxes, etc, plus work, why would that hurt the US. Immigrants that were Polish, Irish, Chinese, etc did the grunt work, then moved up. That helped the US. We certainly have lots of jobs for them (which is what most the illegals are doing now).
Does low skilled immigrants laborers reduce wages? Yes. But ultimately there has to be a balance. In some industries the immigrants keep jobs here. Raise wages too much, watch poultry companies (just one I can think of off the top of my head) move plants and food processing factories out of the country (including higher paid mechanics, managers, truck drivers, etc). Some jobs like home building are not as mobile across borders, but you'd be surprised how many jobs are kept here because labor cost is reasonable.
I remember there was an expression that "if Ohio caught a cold, West Virginia caught the flu." OK, I'm not comparing WVA to Mexico, but hang in there. Why the expression? Because lots of W VA folks came to Ohio (mostly to do blue collar work). Ohio benefitted because you had more tax payers and consumers, kept jobs in Ohio, kept wages reasonable (actually they were reasonably high). W VA benefitted because of remittances back to family in W VA, safety valve for young people who needed work. Look at the growth of countries that allowed lots of immigration: Canada, UK, Ireland, Australia, and yes US (although we are tanking now...but not because of immigrants). Look at those developed countries that severly limited immigration such as Germany, Japan...they lacked high skilled fresh blood and cheap labor (basically flat economies). Look at those who did not control immigration (such as France with their problematic Moslem population). The message: allow immigration, balance it, and control it (skilled/unskilled, pick the countries/people you want/need).
Terrorists from MX? Could happen given the open border. But, we've had more problems with terrorists coming from Canada...talk about an open border!! Also, CA has a lot more people who meet the profile for terrorist (no offense Canadians, just that you have more peole in the profile, not that they actually are terrorists...we hope).
April 26, 2008
9:51 AM
Matthew writes:
One thing you ignore is the stable base of unemployed in the US. What good will it do to bring in more uneducated people and their families (who will tap into the shrinking welfare pools for supplemental support) while the unemployed stay that way?
The real comprehensive reform would take into account getting currently unemployed Americans back to work before increasing legal low-skilled immigration.