May 12, 2008 7:31 AM
Hillary and her hard-working white people
Hillary Clinton's assertion that Barack Obama's support was slipping among whites without college degrees, has been both rebuked and defended.
Clinton says she's staying in the race despite losing to Obama by a wide margin in North Carolina and barely winning in Indiana, which helped cement his status as the front-runner. She touts her overall electability in a general election and, pointing to demographics, recently told USA Today in an interview:"There was just an AP article posted that found how Senator Obama's support among working - hardworking Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how the, you know, whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."
Congressman Charles Rangel, who has been one of Clinton's highest profile black supporters, said her statement was "the dumbest thing she could have said" but also acknowledged there could be some truth in it.
Former candidate John Edwards told CBS' Face the Nation he thought Clinton's words were not well-chosen.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid defended Clinton, telling ABC's This Week, "I am confident that she meant nothing. I think it was taken wrong."
Meanwhile, Clinton has an overwhelming lead in West Virginia, which has the lowest college graduation rate in the nation.
Like most people in Mingo County, West Virginia, Leonard Simpson is a lifelong Democrat. But given a choice between Barack Obama and John McCain in November, the 67-year-old retired coalminer would vote Republican."I heard that Obama is a Muslim and his wife's an atheist," said Mr Simpson, drawing on a cigarette outside the fire station in Williamson, a coalmining town of 3,400 people surrounded by lush wooded hillsides.
Mr Simpson's remarks help explain why Mr Obama is trailing Hillary Clinton, his Democratic rival, by 40 percentage points ahead of Tuesday's primary election in the heavily white and rural state, according to recent opinion polls.
The Democrat nominating race may be all but over but West Virginia stands as an important swing state in the November election.
Occupying a swathe of the Appalachian Mountains on the threshold between the Bible Belt and the Rust Belt, West Virginia is a swing state that voted twice for George W. Bush but backed Democrats in six of the eight prior presidential elections.
No Democrat has been elected to the White House without carrying West Virginia since 1916, yet Mr Obama appears to have little chance of winning there in November. Recent opinion polls indicate that Mrs Clinton would narrowly beat Mr McCain in the state but Mr Obama would lose by nearly 20 percentage points.
West Virginia is hostile territory for Mr Obama because it has few of the African-Americans and affluent, college-educated whites who provide his strongest support. The state has the lowest college graduation rate in the US, the second lowest median household income, and one of the highest proportions of white residents, at 96 per cent.
May 12, 2008
8:47 AM
SASQUATCH writes:
So, should West Virginia be forced to join Florida and Michigan on the sidelines? With all their Ivy League credentials and alleged brain-power, it is a very sorry comment that BO and HRC (with Bill's help) reduced this contest to a black man versus white woman contest; a battle based on race and gender. How else coiuld it have been reduced to this level? Maybe its the elite and entitled candidates who are the ignorant fools, not the "uneducated" (read stupid?) West Virginians. Maybe the candidates are getting exactly what they deserve and those uneducared West Virginians got it figured out a lot better than the rest of America. This race is about race and gender--the candidates made it that way!
May 12, 2008
8:48 AM
Shaggy aka Obamas typical bitter white person writes:
You go girl, you have every right to stay in it as long as you can financially afford it.
Just a matter of time before another Obama bomb surfaces.
Obama has demonstrated over and over his decision making process is nothing to be admired.
He wasn't voted the most Liberal senator for no reason.
May 12, 2008
8:53 AM
JMH writes:
Well... So Hillary has the "Redneck" vote this year huh? Too funny... Now that is something to be proud about.
Why does politics always seem to cater to the lowest denominator? Instead of checking ID's at polling stations, they should have a "civics test" before someone could vote, that way stupid people who know nothing about what is really going on, couldn't sway elections.
That way, people like this goober, - "Like most people in Mingo County, West Virginia, Leonard Simpson is a lifelong Democrat. But given a choice between Barack Obama and John McCain in November, the 67-year-old retired coalminer would vote Republican.
"I heard that Obama is a Muslim and his wife's an atheist," said Mr Simpson, drawing on a cigarette outside the fire station in Williamson, a coalmining town of 3,400 people surrounded by lush wooded hillsides." - wouldn't be able to make decisions that hurt the rest of us.
I weep for this country sometimes...
May 12, 2008
8:57 AM
Anonymous writes:
Obama is a typical black person. I can say that cause in his book he repeatedly calls white people "typical white people". It still amazes that the loony left is going to run a guy who doesnt stand a chance of winning soley cause they want to appear diverse and progressive. Sadly, we will have to endure months of having the counntry called racist when he doesnt win. But perhaps the dems will finally seperate themselves from the lunatic left part of their party and get back to items of importance.
May 12, 2008
9:11 AM
crat3 writes:
There was no racism dimension to Sen. Clinton factual statement. All this tempest was whipped up and driven by pro-Obama biased media that have sabotaged her presidential campaign from Day 1.
"The Democratic nomination race may be all but over" is pro-Obama biased media dismissal of the democratic nominating process which is yet to decide the nominee. Several remaining states remain to vote; then the superdelegates select the best qualified candidate using their independent judgment. Obama does not have the delegates to get the nomination; and delegate math has no relevance to the function of the superdelegates. There is nothing "all but over" about the nomination progress; this bias is trying to make inevitable Obama's swiping the nomination. But if that happens, Obama will crash and burn in November.
"OBAMA BACKERS MAKE THEIR THREAT" - Executive Intelligence Review - "Those who are attempting to shut down the Clinton campaign and control this Presidential election have no allegiance to (the) Democratic Party, or to the United States."
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2008/3520threat_to_clinton.html
May 12, 2008
9:15 AM
Anonymous writes:
Keep watching ... I made this statement about three months ago, a month ago, and two weeks ago, and I'm going to say it again:
If Barack Obama wins (the Democratic nod), then Barack Obama loses (the Presidential race).
May 12, 2008
9:16 AM
Shaggy aka Obamas typical bitter white person writes:
Someone should have told Mr.Simpson that Obama is not a practicing Muslim anymore and that instead he has turned to a hate whitey and hate America Church for his guidance.
But heaven forbid someone even ask Obama a question of his past because you will be a RACIST by the loony left, which by the way are Obamas biggest supporters.
May 12, 2008
9:25 AM
jay writes:
meh...just prolonging the inevitable. at this point we can only hope that if she's going to insist on staying in the race, she at least stops the crazy rhetoric.
May 12, 2008
9:25 AM
chris writes:
There was no racism in her statement? Then how exactly does she know how hard those who voted for her work? Do white people have a monopoly on hard work? Are the white people who voted for Sen. Obama not hard workers?
One thing is clear, her continued campaign depends on uneducated, backwards thinking people like the guy quoted in the article. No one with an ounce of intelligence or the capacity for independent thought would buy her ridiculous arguments, and lies. Given that she has been soundly beaten in this primary for United States Pres. her last resort is to try and divide the country so she can led someone, anyone, even if it is just poor white thrash.
May 12, 2008
9:31 AM
Anonymous writes:
'If Barack Obama wins (the Democratic nod), then Barack Obama loses (the Presidential race)."
yeah sure.
Obama was supposed to be the token candidate and Hills was supposed to be the nominee with the aura of inevitability.
Obama takes McCain in a landslide. Pubs cant get republicans to vote for Mccain .
May 12, 2008
9:32 AM
just sayin' writes:
One thing is clear, her continued campaign depends on uneducated, backwards thinking people like the guy quoted in the article...from Chris's post. Those people generally vote Republican any way.
May 12, 2008
9:34 AM
gr8fuldude writes:
I've always had a part of my skin crawl when I hear any politicial throw around the term "working families"...as though the rest of us are the idle rich, who just sit around counting our money.
What Hill said though is so over-the-top stupid and poorly said that I have to hope her handlers will put her on a strict Prozac regimen, if not silence her completely.
May 12, 2008
9:39 AM
Mich Indie writes:
I hope none of the gun owning West Virginians mind allowing their legal firearms to be confiscated in time of National emergency. Hillary is the only candidate who supports this.
May 12, 2008
9:44 AM
Anonymous writes:
That's because the longer Hillary Clinton stays in this race, the more inevitable it is that she, by force of will, earns a spot on the ticket. Obama cannot ignore her demographic coalition, her breadth and depth of the support, the energy that she generates, just as Hillary surely cannot ignore -- would not ignore -- everything that Obama has come to stand for and has accomplished
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/is_hillary_willing_her_way_ont.php
Hills is making the point that she is the best VP
and Dems should try to get this team.
May 12, 2008
9:46 AM
JMH writes:
"Someone should have told Mr.Simpson that Obama is not a practicing Muslim anymore and that instead he has turned to a hate whitey" - shaggy
I know you aren't that bright shaggy, but you know Obama is half white don't you?
May 12, 2008
10:09 AM
Shaggy aka Obamas typical bitter white person writes:
I see we are stooping to name calling because I spoke out against Obama..nice job JMH..we have come to expect nothing less from the far left wackos.
Yea I know he is half white but someone needs to tell that to Obama.
He has attended a Church that preaches a non-negotiable commitment to Africa and the black man.
Obama doesn't associate himself as being half white...I think he is ashamed of it. He has positioned himself all his life to excel in the Black population. That is why he stayed at the racial preaching black church for 20 years.
I really like how he lied and continues to lie that he never heard one of Wrights racial sermons.
All predictions pick Obama as the weaker candidate and it looks like the Dems will throw another election away by picking him as their candidate.
hehehehe
May 12, 2008
10:22 AM
SASQUATCH writes:
"So Hillary has the "Redneck" vote this year huh? Too funny... Now that is something to be proud about."
AND BO HAS 95% OF THE BLACK VOTE...Too funny...Now is that something to be proud about?
May 12, 2008
10:38 AM
Anonymous writes:
I think we have found a state where Shag and Sas, could fit right in. Idiots there still seem to think all the right wing talking points are the God almighty's truth. Please shag, sas. move there quickly, you guys could be leaders down there, lol.
May 12, 2008
10:39 AM
jacksmith writes:
IT'S ABOUT ELECTABILITY !!!
MY FELLOW "BITTER", STUPID, WORKING CLASS PEOPLE :-)
If you think like Barack Obama, that WORKING CLASS PEOPLE are just a bunch of "BITTER"!, STUPID, PEASANTS, Cash COWS!, and CANNON FODDER. :-(
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary’s than they had ever been before or since.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)
Best regards
jacksmith... Working Class :-)
p.s. You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you don't know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering...
You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. :-)
Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don’t die from. And I could go on, and on...
OBAMA AIDE: "WORKING-CLASS VOTERS NOT KEY FOR DEMOCRATS" :o
p.s. I have been under heavy attacks for some time now. But it wont stop me. :-)
May 12, 2008
10:39 AM
SASQUATCH writes:
BO BEGINNING TO STINK:
WSJ EDIT: "Exit polls in Indiana and North Carolina show clearly that fewer than 60% of white voters believe Mr. Obama shares their values. In a recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, only 45% of the American electorate said they can identify with Mr. Obama's values, compared to 54% who say they can identify with John McCain's values.
Make no mistake, the ongoing controversy over his relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright leaves Mr. Obama vulnerable. So does the flap over his comments at a San Francisco fund-raiser over working-class voters' alleged bitterness leading them to cling to religion and guns. He needs to speak directly and forthrightly to the concerns and fears of these voters if he is to succeed in November."
PU...is that BO or what?
May 12, 2008
10:39 AM
Tree writes:
"I heard that Obama is a Muslim and his wife's an atheist," said Mr Simpson.
Says all. Mr. Simpson doesn't watch t.v. or read the paper? Come on, no one is that dumb. Wait, I take that back.
Here's the deal, he's looking for a reason to hate O'Bama. He can't say it's b/c he's black, but it is. So, that's his excuse. Same reasoning as Shaggy gives us day in day out 24/7. All Shaggy talks about is race day in day out and says that's not the reason. But it is. Just like my old man. He tells me the way it is, there's no friggin' way he's voting for a black man-period. He won't tell you that, he'll tell you the same things Shaggy blogs out everyday. Sorry to bag on you Shaggy, but I can't give a better example.
May 12, 2008
10:52 AM
McPander writes:
According to HRC we should basically only hold primaries in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Florida and Michigan. Those are the swing states and the only ones that matter.
Oh yah, I forgot and if she doesn't when those then the Super delegates should just give it to her because shes a fighter.
HRC is a Panderer just like McPander.
May 12, 2008
10:55 AM
Anonymous writes:
Jay's alter ego at 9:31, just remember I said it, because you're gonna s**t when Obama loses:
If Barack Obama wins, Barack Obama loses.
May 12, 2008
10:59 AM
JMH writes:
"AND BO HAS 95% OF THE BLACK VOTE...Too funny...Now is that something to be proud about?"
- SASQUATCH on May 12, 2008 10:22 AM
Ummm yes! Why not?... Not sure what you are trying to imply there. Are you saying balck people are uneducated? Your posts get weirder all the time, maybe you just think they are all a bunch of stupid niggers? Is that what you were implying? Why would black people voting for someone who knows the problems they are facing be a bad thing? I'd love to hear your insight on this.
"I see we are stooping to name calling because I spoke out against Obama..nice job JMH..we have come to expect nothing less from the far left wackos." - shaggy
Funny, I didn't call you a name, just said you aren't bright, pretty sure most of the people here would agree with me. But whatever shaggy... You just keep repeating the BS nonstop. Do you realize you just say the same things day after day, no matter how many times you are proven wrong or how full of shit you really are? You want a name? How about "brain-washed"! You are like a zombie repeating your stupid "AM Talk Radio" talking points over and over, everyday... Oh and by the way, all the "looney left" and "far-left" comments you make on every post are just dumb. Obviously watching too much Bill O' Rielly. Sad really... try coming up with something original for once. Try think for yourself, you are becoming nothing more than the "resident parrot". Just wondering, is there anyone who isn't a NeoCon stooge like yourself that isn't "far-left" or "looney"?
By the way, this is hands down one of the dumbest things I have ever heard you say -
"Yea I know he is half white but someone needs to tell that to Obama."
Pretty sure he knows that numbnuts! Wow!!! It must be a fearful, strange little world you live in!
This one is pretty funny too... "All predictions pick Obama as the weaker candidate and it looks like the Dems will throw another election away by picking him as their candidate."
Predictions? From whom? The Neo-Con mouthpieces that have been wrong with every prediction they ever made? Keep those predictions coming shaggy, it is only a matter of time until you get one right. haha...
You and Bigfoot should just get a room, put a sign on the front saying "No brown people" and circle jerk each other watching Sean Hannity, while spouting off all you pariniod delusions about how everyone is out to get "whitey" & destroy America. Silly NeoCons... Don't you know if the "looney left" wanted to totally destroy America, we would just let G. W. Bush run for another term with uncontrolled power. That would do the trick!
May 12, 2008
10:59 AM
BJG writes:
What just kills me is that J McCain will probably be our next president,cause he's a old white guy, everything we hold dear in this country. Old white guys are a minority in this country, but still hold the most power cause they control the most cash.
May 12, 2008
11:12 AM
Tree writes:
I can agree with McSame on this quote. "dumb as a stump." Now who could John boy be talking about?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-meyerhoff/mccain-to-me-in-1999-bush_b_101069.html
May 12, 2008
11:19 AM
Anonymous writes:
Ah. How refreshing. Someone sees Obama more clearly and for what he is;
http://blogs.thestironline.com/?p=16
May 12, 2008
11:31 AM
gr8fuldude writes:
Tree - What has to be the most mortifying to Hill in this whole thing is being admonished by Rangle. How ignorant does someone have to be to bring that on?
May 12, 2008
11:54 AM
Curtis writes:
If you think Hillary Clinton actually has 35 years of experience...
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
If you think Hillary Clinton had anything to do with economic prosperity of the 90's and think that Hillary Clinton will be Bill Clinton part 2...
You Might Be An Idiot! :-)
Over half of your arguments have something to do with Bill Clinton's presidency. Guess what? He's not running for president.
I find it interesting that college educated people don't vote for Hillary. Maybe because they've taken courses to strengthen their logic and reasoning skills?
May 12, 2008
12:21 PM
SASQUATCH writes:
"Ummm yes! Why not?... Not sure what you are trying to imply there. Are you saying balck eople are uneducated?"
You might be uneducated and simple minded but the implication is that an overwhelming and lopsided 95% margin unambiguously suggests that a high percentage of blacks are likely voting on the basis of color and color alone. In sharp contrast, 95% of whites didn't vote for Hillary.
Your race-based mindset also suggest that you might be a racist. Are you? Do you hate whitey?
May 12, 2008
12:32 PM
DR writes:
Curtis -
I think what the author of that post was eluding to is that there is a pretty common perception that Hillary is more experienced than Obama. For example, one of the pervasive insinuations when Bill was in the White House was that Hillary had significant input into the day-to-day operations of the office of President.
It also came out over the years, that while Bill was Governor of Arkansas, Hillary had more than a little input to the affairs of that state. And of course, both Bill and Hillary had varying degrees of experience in state and local government leading up to his time as Governor. So, as you can see, they both come pretty close to 30-some years in various levels of government. Bill may not be running for office, as you say, but you can believe they are a "team" when one holds formal office.
Frankly, even as a conservative voter, I would happily take Bill and Hillary for 4, 8, or even 12 years as opposed to one more week of Mr. Bush. My tax bill was indeed a bit higher, but I would gladly trade my lower tax rate for the honor and integrity of my country to be restored, the economy to be humming along, and jobs to be plentiful. Things were not "perfect" during that time, but in my mind, it sure beats where we are now.
May 12, 2008
12:37 PM
JMH writes:
Wow bigfoot! Do you dress yourself? Always looking for your baseball? haha... wow! I'm shaking my head in disbelief after trying to follow your logic...
Do I hate whitey? I'm white you retard! As far as 95% of blacks voting for a black man, maybe, just maybe that is because they know all the rich white guys never work for them and care not one bit about the black community's issues!
May 12, 2008
12:40 PM
Shaggy aka Obamas typical bitter white person writes:
Just to make it clear to everyone here.
I am a racist because I don't buy into Obamas bull shit about his past personal friendships with known RACISTS AND TERRORISTS.
Whatever makes you feel good. You all have taken the word "Racist" and abused it to the point it now is meaningless.
If anyone is a Racist it is Obama...He's the one playing the race card.
In fact, it has been a discervice for Obama that everyone was walking on egg shells and not asking him the tough questions from the get go for fear of being labeled by his groupies as racist.
It is because of his race that the Democrats will be putting up the weaker candidate this November for a sure failure in my opinion.
Hillary got railroaded by the color of Obamas skin....
May 12, 2008
12:44 PM
jay writes:
wow...no surprises here....screeching from the far right about conspiracy theories about obama's "racism" while no mention of policy stances.
keep up the good work.
rush would be proud.
quick question. which of obama's policy stances actually do take "racist" positions?
hint: that's rhetorical...and the answer is why your conspiracy theories are just that.
May 12, 2008
12:56 PM
JMH writes:
Ya... a guy who is half white and was raised by the white side of his family hates white people... Quite the stretch there! But Rush told you to think that... so it must be true! LOL!!!
May 12, 2008
12:56 PM
Observer writes:
jay, we aren't blogging policy, we are blogging Obama's racism, which may indeed set some of his policies.
"quick question. which of obama's policy stances actually do take "racist" positions?" jay
Back atcha. You tell us which of his stances aren't racist based? Until then we must assume they all are.
May 12, 2008
1:05 PM
Anonymous writes:
JMH= retard
May 12, 2008
1:13 PM
jay writes:
"we are blogging Obama's racism, which may indeed set some of his policies."
fine...then answer the question.
I'll even answer yours...none.
May 12, 2008
1:25 PM
Ob writes:
jay, No need to answer that question, It was answered, as was yours, all in the same earlier blog, fool.
May 12, 2008
1:42 PM
Anonymous writes:
Welcome to RTL Live blogging. Name calling is next!
May 12, 2008
1:54 PM
Shaggy aka Obamas typical bitter white person writes:
I would say that anyone who personally sought out a particular Preacher to be their personal and family spiritual leader for 20 years, even to the point of writing a book and naming it after one of the said spiritual advisers sermons, would hold that persons opinions to the highest level and agree with most of everything he says.
Obama is nothing but a lying piece of crap who happened to get caught in a series of off the chart racial remarks by very racial people he PERSONALLY CHOSE to be his friends and mentors.
If anyone is a racist it would be the typical bitter black person known as Barrack Hussein Obama.
May 12, 2008
2:16 PM
Observer writes:
C'mon Shaggy, you know ONLY white people are racist don't you, just listen to left wing talking heads they will re-educate on you this. Right JMH?
May 12, 2008
2:37 PM
jay writes:
yes...we get your opinions, shaggy....but upon which policy stances are you basing them?
May 12, 2008
3:04 PM
B Brewer writes:
Not every voting decision is made entirely upon policy stances. Surely you have heard the phrase, 'He makes my skin crawl', for example. The person being referenced may have exceptional education, credentials, superior logic, and unequaled compassion, and still evoke a strong, negative, gut-level reaction. Perhaps not fair, but 'the way it is' for many.
May 12, 2008
3:42 PM
Don writes:
Wow Mr. Leonard Simpson. I 'heard' your analytical skills would be a huge asset in the Clinton campaign.
May 12, 2008
3:42 PM
Shaggy aka Obamas typical bitter white person writes:
jay, no one knows exactly what Obamas policy stances are and neither do you because he voted "present" over a thousand times in his SHORT career in the senate instead of taking a stance.
His web site gives us very little limited information on what he wants to do and where he stands.
The fact that he has already been caught lying gives him little creditability on what he says he wants to do for our future, we want to see what he has done but voting present so many times still leaves us in the dark.
So when we take a look at what he has voted on or done he looks like a flipping arrogant racial bigot that is to scared to commit to vote yes or no on an issue.
What we do know about him is he voted no to giving medical aid to babies who survived a botched abortion.
We know he voted to ban all hand guns.
We know he was voted the most liberal senator out of all of them including Ted Kennedy.
We know he accompanied Louis Farrakhan to the million man march.
We know his church of 20 years gave Louis Farrakhan a life time achievement award.
We know all about his personal adviser and that he lied and said he had no idea he was a racial bastard.
We know he served on a board with someone he knew was a terrorist that has bombed a variety of Government buildings.
We know he thinks of white Americans as "typical white people".
He even uses this term several times in his book he wrote and dedicated after the Rev.Wright.
We know his wife is not a very proud American.
We know that wearing a U.S. flag pin seems to be a major problem with Obama.
He is the one who made this an issue.
Ya see jay, the things we do know about Obama adds up to make one wonder just who the hell is this guy and what are his TRUE intentions and what his TRUE feelings about America really are.
You aren't the only one who can smell BS, so can I and I smell BS on BO for sure.
It is too bad we didn't get to know him a little better early on because he would have been dropped like a hot potato along time ago.
Now it looks like the Democrats are going to be stuck with Obama when his BS really hits the fan in the general election.
May 12, 2008
3:45 PM
Don writes:
Wow Mr. Leonard Simpson. I 'heard' your analytical skills would be a huge asset in the Clinton campaign.
May 12, 2008
4:13 PM
Anonymous writes:
Welcome to RTL Live blogging, where our motto is "We're always butt-deep in ignorance".
May 12, 2008
4:28 PM
just passin through writes:
Shaggy, Nice work. now jay (Mr. willful ignorance) will do his weak one or two sentence bs blog. Don't you get tired of slapping that idiot around? Keep up the good work though, it is highly educational.... to some, to others it is "inconvenient facts" they wish not to recognize.
May 12, 2008
5:11 PM
jay writes:
yes...again shaggy....i understand that you're basing your opinion that barack is "racist" on what you've heard about his associations with reverend wright...i fully acknowledge that...but what else? after reading about his policy stances here:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
what would lead you to believe that he's a racist?
is there something he personally said about race that has you spinning?
did you read his speech confronting these allegations?
if not, it may answer some of the obvious questions and confusion you seem to have on the subject:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hisownwords
why don't you give a listen and do a little reading and let me know what position he's taken or what things he's specifically said that leads you to believe he's "racist", okay?
May 12, 2008
5:26 PM
Ben- Former Democrat writes:
Irregardless of any spin, people are judged by the company they keep, be it for a few seconds or 20 years.
May 12, 2008
5:26 PM
Ben- Former Democrat writes:
Irregardless of any spin, people are judged by the company they keep, be it for a few seconds or 20 years.
May 12, 2008
6:09 PM
Shaggy writes:
Quit being a "popinjay" jay...fits you perfectly.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/popinjay
Does his web site tell us he was voted the most Liberal Senator?
Does his web site tell us he belongs to a Church that has an non-negotiable commitment to Africa and the black people and that his personally hand chosen pastor of 20 years is a racial hate filled bigot who hates whites and America?
Does his web site tell us why he didn't denounce his Racial Reverend and even protected him as a family member until the Racist Reverend basically called Obama a lying Politician?
Are you understanding what I am am talking about?
We want to know facts and results not some plastic promise he has someone type up in his web site.
Get it now?????
Sadly I don't think so!
May 12, 2008
6:44 PM
Pippin writes:
92% of the black vote is going for Obama and still the Dems are stomping their feet saying race and racism has nothing to do with it. Just turn the situation around - if 92% of whites were voting for Hillary, The Mighty Obamas would point to race and racism as a cause.
Democrats are so screwed up they cannot think straight.
(not that they ever really could...)
May 12, 2008
7:12 PM
Anonymous writes:
Put another way, if McCain were black and these things were brought out about him, would those who are so quick to forgive and overlook for Obama, allow the same for McCain?
May 12, 2008
7:27 PM
Disgusted writes:
Shaggy-
1. You can't touch this b/c your bleach white from WY.
2. You know how the dems don't like Bush b/c he works against the common citizen and only favors the super rich.
3. Your going to rip his Church b/c the congregation is black and what they have in common is being kicked around since the slave boat bounty people like you? That's all they know. Quit bullshitting, they have every right to hate you. You would too. You can't walk a mile in a black persons shoes. STFU unless you want to wake up tomorrow black and poor. Asshole.
4. You can't touch this b/c your bleach white from WY.
5. You are the Bush of the blogs. That isn't a compliment.
May 12, 2008
7:52 PM
Anonymous writes:
'.... they have every right to hate you.'
wow .... most ignorant comment in many months on the blogs .... again, wow
is that 'right' because they are black? is that 'right' because they are 'Christians'? is that 'right' because they are unable to forgive something that WASN'T EVEN DONE TO THEM? is that 'right' because they refuse to forgive and work toward a better way of life?
and then you come on here and spew your hate when you have no idea yourself, and you couldn't even know what you you're talking about ... you should be disgusted because your hatred is disgusting
May 12, 2008
8:30 PM
Well, yea.... writes:
The only good to come from the Democrud primary is the exposure of the deep rooted hate and racism that is alive and well in the Hypocrite Party. No wonder their mascot is an ass.
May 12, 2008
8:31 PM
Anonymous writes:
7:52-
Christians? What are you assuming? You haven't walked a mile either. Cat. Save yourself.
May 12, 2008
9:06 PM
Anonymous writes:
Christian church, right? think it's full of Buddhists or Taoists? so, I didn't assume a thing ... but here's a suggestion ... engage brain before typing on the keyboard
May 12, 2008
9:22 PM
Anonymous writes:
"Leonard Simpson is a lifelong Democrat. But given a choice between Barack Obama and John McCain in November, the 67-year-old retired coalminer would vote Republican.
"I heard that Obama is a Muslim and his wife's an atheist," said Mr Simpson, drawing on a cigarette outside "
This guy sounds like a relative of several posters on this blog
May 12, 2008
9:38 PM
jay writes:
shaggy, barack has given just as much specificity for his policy stances as mccain has. so....if you've done your homework you should know both of their major policy stances, right?
now...having established that...can you pick out a policy stance or two that you feel is "racist" or not?
this isn't a hard question....either you believe there to be one or you don't....but of course option 'c' is to admit that you don't know the policy stances of one or both candidates and are just voting down partisan hack lines...
May 12, 2008
10:25 PM
Anonymous writes:
of course Shaggy, if you vote a straight Democratic ticket to make Jay happy, that won't be down partisan hack lines because you'll be voting the partisan hack line that Jay is voting .... see?
May 13, 2008
7:50 AM
Anonymous writes:
Disgusted,
"You can't touch this b/c your bleach white from WY" please stop your blatant racism.
May 13, 2008
7:58 AM
Paul writes:
"Irregardless of any spin, people are judged by the company they keep, be it for a few seconds or 20 years"
This is in a nutshell is what Ben and Shaggy have been saying over and over.
The same can be applied to McCain.
and Bush. McCain is Bush.
Trees link about McCain is also interesting. McCain thinks Bush is a dumb as a stump.
The sad thing is McCain thinks Bushs ideas are great. this makes McCain dumber than dumb as a stump.
May 13, 2008
8:30 AM
Anonymous writes:
Paul, Duh.
May 13, 2008
8:56 AM
Anonymous writes:
Hillary is a retard, so is anyone who would vote for her.
May 13, 2008
9:07 AM
Shaggy aka Obamas typical bitter white person writes:
No jay,
Obama does not give specifics.
You keep directing me to his web site even after I told you we don't want to read what he plans on doing. we want to know what he has done, a proven track record.
Why are you having such a hard time understanding this?
He has no substance, no record.
All of this should have come out a long time ago but everyone was walking on egg shells around him because they didn't want to be labeled by the far left Obama groupies.
What you have a hard time learning is that Hillary and McCain have been around forever and have track records. Everyone knows them....no one knows Obama...he doesn't have a lengthy track record...the short record he does have shows that he is very far left.
These are facts jay and not my opinions.
Obama has a very shady past and has tried like hell to keep it from becoming public.
America is not going to elect a far left guy that has no experience and no track record.
I know you on the left are incapable of understanding this because in your minds he is it and that is all there is to it.
I just found out something else about Obama and that is that he marched along side the illegals demanding amnesty.
Another issue that will bury Obama in my humble.
This major issue is playing second fiddle to the high gas prices right now but it will surface in the general.
Our system is not broken, we just need to enforce it. No amnesty what so ever.
May 13, 2008
9:35 AM
Anonymous writes:
Shagster - Keep drinking that koolaid, while conveniently forgetting that your boy McSame was in favor of giving amnesty to your Mexican friends. You are so dead set against Obama, that you fail to see that you are pushing for your own worst nightmare.
May 13, 2008
9:48 AM
Shaggy aka Obamas typical bitter white person writes:
Thats right cruton,
McCain was involved in the Bush Kennedy amnesty bill.
He is reminded daily about it in his poll numbers.
At least he doesn't say that "no woman or man is here illegally" like Hillary did.
Nor did he go out and march with them.
He has acknowledged we need to seal the border at least.
He is the best of the three about homeland security.
Thats non debatable.
Obama has catered to people all his life to get to where he wanted to go. It has come back to bite his ass.
Yes I think Obama would be about the worst thing this Country needs right now.
I just heard he got the endorsement of Hammas..the terrorist group.
Why?...Because they think he is the weaker candidate of all them.
I do not trust Obama if Iran attacks Israel.
Obama is weak and easily persuaded by people...Rev.Wright comes to mind.
May 13, 2008
10:02 AM
JW writes:
"I just heard he got the endorsement of Hammas..the terrorist group."
This is a great example of the problems with our political system in this country. People typically blame the politicians themselves for being "corrupt", but its clear that we as a people have no idea what is relevant, and what is not.
As an example, while Shaggy feels the above actually matters, does anyone here think he would have a problem if the KKK came out and indorsed McSame?
No, that would be ok, because McSame cannot control what the KKK does or says, and it does not mean that McSame is sympathetic to the cause of the KKK if they happen to indorse him.
But with Hammas and Obama, well that is proof positive that Obama is a terrorist sympathizer and a statement of Obama's fitness for office. Wether or not Obama actually sympathizes with Hammas isnt even a question Shaggy would ask. Similarly, those who see this as important and telling of Obama never think to ask, "Why would Hammas do that?" Does Hammas think that their support for a candidate helps that candidates chances in an American election? Probably not. They probably understand very well that their statement of support is probably a negative against that candidate, just as Bin Ladden does. So then, again, why would they say they support Obama, knowing that their support lessens his chances of being elected? Logically, because they actually support McSame, and are actively trying to damage Obama's chances.
Pathetic double standards lead to shallow thinking, and our electorate is nothing if not shallow thinking.
May 13, 2008
10:07 AM
JW writes:
"McCain was involved in the Bush Kennedy amnesty bill.
He is reminded daily about it in his poll numbers.
At least he doesn't say that "no woman or man is here illegally" like Hillary did."
And this. This just cracks me up. Hillary SAID something. That is more important than McSame DRAFTING ACTUAL LAW, and voting to pass it.
You have to be ideologically trapped in a cycle of partisan loyalty to think like this.
May 13, 2008
10:18 AM
JMH writes:
"C'mon Shaggy, you know ONLY white people are racist don't you, just listen to left wing talking heads they will re-educate on you this. Right JMH?" - Observer
Don't put words in my mouth numbnuts. I never said anything like that and I will be one of the first to tell you black people can be just as racist as any other race. I know, I grew up in a predominatly black town in NYC. Got my share of it. Guilty of giving some back too...
All I was saying was it is a bit of a stretch of common sense to think that a man who is half white and was raised by white people would actually hate white people. Is it possible? Maybe. Is it likely? NO...
But it is simple to see what you simpleton's are trying to do. The truth is you WANT Obama to be some sort of racist (since the Muslim / al-Quida covert operative angle didn't fly a few months ago.) This gives you cover to attck the man because of his race. None of you wacko's would be voting for the guy anyway. But I'm sure, all things being equal, if he had a (R) listed behind his name, he would be the second coming of Christ.
I would like some honesty here. Can any of you Obama-haters say honestly that you don't know one person you associate with that has never said something racist? Made racial jokes? Flat out hates some other race, Etc. I know some of you will lie and say "no", but I'm betting everyone has a racist uncle or a friend that hates Mexicans or whatever. Does that make you a racist? No, it does not. But you guys are trying to put someone's else's words in Obama's mouth. It would be one thing if someone heard Obama say some of these things, but he hasn't. Not one thing! In fact, Obama rarely brings up race, but you guys on the right and Hillary's campain did. Until this whole Rev. Wright nonsense came up, you never heard any talk of race from the Obama campain. None.
But I am not suprised the political party in America that is 92% white (the GOP) wants to bring it up. It is no suprise that most the racists in American politics are in that party. Jesse Helms, Trent Lott, Storm Thurmond, Richard Nixon, etc... Hell, David Duke was a Republican. Does that make every Republican that served on some committe or board with him was a racist KKK guy too? No...I understand why you NeoCon Tin soldiers are trying this - since you have nothing but failure the last few years to run on these last few years, you have to label and demonize. Typical NeoCon playbook tactics, but it still is wrong. Not that any of you have any morals when it comes to getting your "team" elected...
Here is an interesting article on "race baiting" and the GOP. Written in 2002 no less... Guys, there is a reason almost no black people and very few people of any other color other than white vote for the GOP!
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,399921,00.html
May 13, 2008
10:39 AM
jay writes:
"Obama does not give specifics."
alright...so what you're saying is that after all this time, you don't know any of obama's policy stances....which is option c.
therefore, you don't know if any of his policy stances are "racist"
i think we found the source of your confusion shaggy.
May 13, 2008
10:52 AM
Shaggy aka Obamas typical bitter white person writes:
I see JW is making up hypotheticals to cover for Obamas and Hillary's past up.
Better go buy some more of the Lipstick before there is a shortage.
KKK...lol.
btw...I wonder who Iran would like to see get the top job?..I will bet it isn't John McCain. My guess would be Obama.
Anything terrorists are for you can safely assume I am against.
Hey Bam Bam,
I know a lot of people who have made racist comments before but non of them are running for President of the U.S.
Nor did they attend a church that preaches hate against America, blacks or other ethnicities for 20 years.
Can you imagine if a there was a Church that had a non-negotiable commitment to white people?
Either can I.
May 13, 2008
11:09 AM
JMH writes:
I am a racist because I don't buy into Obamas bull shit about his past personal friendships with known RACISTS AND TERRORISTS. - shaggy
I know a lot of people who have made racist comments before but non of them are running for President of the U.S. - shaggy
So shaggy, is Obama being judged by the company he keeps or are you a racist? Can't have it both ways.
You realize you are all over the place on this?
As far as his church, I grew up attending the Catholic church, does that make me a supporter of child molesters?
May 13, 2008
11:47 AM
Shaggy aka Obamas typical bitter white person writes:
Sorry Bam Bam, My comments are in a pretty tight group and you don't make any sense...a child molester, I don't know....are you?
You are trying to compare apples to oranges.
If someone willingly attends a Racial Church and listen to a racial Preacher for 20 years tells me that that someone agrees with what he is hearing.
Rev.Wright is not just some person Obama shook hands with one time in passing. This is the guy Obama chose him as an adult to be his personal spiritual adviser.
Obama chose to go to the million man march.
Obama chose to serve on a board with the admitted terrorist Bill Ayers.
Obama chose to go to a church that gave a life time achievement award to Louis Farrakhan...one of the single biggest racist in the world.
I would say Obamas racial ties are fairly deep and not just mere acquaintances.
Remember, Obama defended Wright until Wright basically called Obama a lying Politician.
May 13, 2008
12:02 PM
Anonymous writes:
Liberal Logic:
Any white democrat who doesn't vote for Obama is racist.
Any black democrat who doesn't vote for Hillary is enlightened.
May 13, 2008
12:08 PM
Anonymous writes:
'As far as his church, I grew up attending the Catholic church, does that make me a supporter of child molesters?'
if you knew the priest(s) there were child molesters, and you went anyway, yes, you supported child molesters ... if you knew nothing about it due to ignorance, or because it never happened, then no, you didn't support child molesters ....... do you honestly not see the point Shaggy is making here? ... Obama KNEW his minister was making what were, at the very least, unpatriotically inflammatory comments, and preached at a church that was for 'blacks only', and Obama went anyway ... he didn't walk in one day and say that he would not listen to such things and he couldn't support them, and went and found another church ... he went there FOR 20 YEARS OR MORE .... that's what call willful acceptance ... nothing less .... capiche?
May 13, 2008
12:22 PM
Tbone writes:
republican logic:
Obama is an uppity nigger, therefore I will never vote for him.
Hillary cackled, and since I judge my presidential candidates on the qualities of their laugh, I will never vote for her.
May 13, 2008
12:45 PM
Any Questions? writes:
Catholics = Child molesters.
May 13, 2008
12:49 PM
JW writes:
"btw...I wonder who Iran would like to see get the top job?..I will bet it isn't John McCain."
Thats because you assume they are afraid of us, and youre thinking shallowly.
Iran loves the fact that our military power is bogged down in Iraq. They love the fact that we have pissed off the entire international community over Iraq, lessening the chance that anyone will go along with us in the event that we attack Iran. Iran loves it that we continue to beat our heads against the wall in Iraq, spending money like crazy. Why? Because it all makes us less of a threat to them, both militarilly, and politically.
That being the case, in all likelyhood youre just wrong...again.
May 13, 2008
1:24 PM
Shaggy aka Obamas typical bitter white person writes:
No JW, I would say I am right on the money....again.
They would like to see America have a weak President who wouldn't fire back if they decided to attack Israel. No straw here.
They are already equipping and sending insurgents to Iraq that are killing American soldiers.
Even your gal Hillary said she would annihilate them if......
Not sure what Obama REALLY thinks about our Jewish friends but I know his hand picked spiritual adviser and mentor of 20 years isn't too enthralled with Judaism or Israel.
Nor is Louis Farrakhan. Another Obama acquaintance.
I wonder what ole Bill Ayers, another one of Obamas seemingly endless ties with shady people has to think about our Jewish friends who with Obama gave money to Professor Rashid Khalidi, a known terrorist sympathizer.
May 13, 2008
4:07 PM
jay writes:
"They would like to see America have a weak President who wouldn't fire back if they decided to attack Israel."
where do you come up with these conspiracy theories, shaggy?
did you do your homework on obama's policy stances yet? as of this morning you didn't know what they were so how do you actually KNOW that you don't want to vote for him?
May 13, 2008
4:23 PM
Jack Straw writes:
"They would like to see America have a weak President who wouldn't fire back if they decided to attack Israel. No straw here.
They are already equipping and sending insurgents to Iraq that are killing American soldiers."
Shaggy it obvious you would choose anyone who wants to continue war and expand it to Iran at all costs. Why not sign up and see what goes there? you might just change your mind.
May 13, 2008
4:26 PM
Shaggy writes:
Here jay, click on this link and read what this word means and then apply it to Obama.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/substance
I use to use this method when my daughter was 5 years old and she caught on quickly.
Lets see how you fair.
May 13, 2008
4:51 PM
jay writes:
well shaggy, i assumed you didn't know what his policy stances are because you can't tell us which ones you find to be "racist".
we really have two choices....either you do know what his policy stances are and there aren't any that are "racist"....or....you just don't know what his policy stances are...and therefore don't know if they are racist or not.
is that a false dilemna?
jack, i assume you're from wichita.
May 13, 2008
5:00 PM
Bam Bam writes:
Jack,
Don't waste the keystrokes... shaggy is the biggest "chickenhawk" on this blog. No cost is too dear... as long as he doesn't have to pay it of course.
May 14, 2008
8:51 AM
Shaggy writes:
jay you make no sense what-so-ever, have no idea what you are trying to say...as usual
Jack I don't like War and think that should be the last resort, sometimes it can't be avoided.
Don't be bitter Bam Bam.
May 14, 2008
3:14 PM
Anonymous writes:
Hi. I am in the sixth grade. I have a question. If there are two equally good people running for president, and one is voted for by all the other people of the same race isnt that racism?
Thank you.
Barbara
May 14, 2008
3:54 PM
jay writes:
"jay you make no sense what-so-ever, have no idea what you are trying to say...as usual"
i'll make it real simple then so there's no confusion. i've asked you repeatedly to tell us which of obama's policy stances you find to be "racist".
you've failed to do so.
that leaves us with a few options.
1. you either don't know anything about obama's policy stances and therefore don't know which ones are racists...leaving us to believe that you are simply a partisan hack who will vote along party lines no matter what happens to the country.
2. you do know what obama's policy stances are but simply can't find any that are "racist".
which is it?
is this a false dilemna?
May 14, 2008
4:34 PM
Anonymous writes:
Jayhole, little girl. Why don't you answer the little girl's question? It seems to get to the heart of your perennial hypocrisy.
May 14, 2008
7:41 PM
Tom in Jonestown writes:
Barbara thats a great question. i kind of think so but there might be other factors at play.
What if one wants to end the war in Iraq and the other says they want to end the war but voted for war? And what if one race feels they're the ones disproportionately getting killed or told to sacrifice the most? Then that race might want to vote for the guy who never wanted war in the first place.
Even though this is not true, some of one race feels this. Al Sharpton made reference to this.
And I think it goes to the heart of what is most on peoples mind. The war. This is why Mrs Clinton lost.
May 14, 2008
8:19 PM
Anonymous writes:
Does anyone believe that if there had been no war, the voting percentages would still be the same for Obama and black voters?
May 14, 2008
9:56 PM
Chris writes:
Definitely so. The war is just an excuse for the blatant black racism that no liberal is courageous enough to admit.
May 15, 2008
6:23 AM
Tom writes:
Does anyone believe that if there had been no war, the voting percentages would still be the same for Obama and black voters?
No. because in peacetime, Obama seriously would not have had a chance. Clinton would've won early and have kept most of these black voters. Obama might have had a trouble getting white votes in Iowa. But this is all could of would of should of.
Hillary has gone the way of Joe Lieberman. Joe lost running as a Dem. The antiwar crowd made him pay. The antiwar crowd made Hillary pay too. They are also making repubs pay. Hastert, Lugar are either retiring or not running again. Others look to lose re-election.
It truly is a Change election.
May 15, 2008
8:55 PM
Libs - you can't write this stuff writes:
Incredibly intelligent reparte, Tom. You have just proven that blacks vote for Obama because they are somehow more concerned about the war than white voters. It has absolutely nothing to do with his race....
You must be a brick, because that kind of dumb doesn't survive childhood.