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July 7, 2008 7:44 AM

Liquor sold on Sunday - world doesn't end

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Lynette Heintz of Denver browses through the wine selection at Argonaut Liquors

The first day liquor is sold in Colorado on Sunday since Prohibition and here I am in Indiana where you still can't buy a spirituous bottle on Sunday. Oh, the humanity.

Many Colorado liquor store workers lost their full weekend but sales were reported brisk at many outlets.

Myung Oak Kim reports:

At Applejack Wine & Spirits in Wheat Ridge, the first sale after the 10 a.m. opening went to a man who bought 12 bottles of rye whiskey and six bottles of Seagrams 7 whiskey for just over $300.

The rest of the morning, cashiers remained busy, ringing up anything from a single bottle of chardonnay to 10 cases of beer.

Colorado became the 35th state to allow Sunday liquor store sales with a law that ended a 75-year ban.

State budget analysts calculate that Sunday liquor sales will pump an added $6 million into Colorado's coffers each year in the form of excise and sales tax revenue.

Did you slip off to the liquor store to stock up? Was it convenient to have liquor stores open on a holiday weekend? Was your neighborhood store crowded? Empty?

Discussion

  • July 7, 2008

    8:40 AM

    JMH writes:

    Got some beer yesterday... Big whoop. This whole thing should have been done years ago.

  • July 7, 2008

    10:26 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    and now, if they get rid of the crap of not being able to shop for and buy an automobile on Sunday, things would be almost perfect ..... makes no sense to me

  • July 7, 2008

    11:06 AM

    Shaggy writes:

    They should have waited until next Sunday to do this.
    The local Ma & Pop beer store I went to yesterday for a cold sixer said they were real slow due to the fact everyone was either out of town or beerded out already from parties during the fourth.
    They wanted to get a feel for how long they should set their new Sunday hours but will have to wait for next Sunday because this Sunday (yesterday) is not a true and accurate account of how people will react due to the Holiday.
    Another Ritter blunder!!

    Anon,
    I for one like the fact car dealerships are closed on Sundays. It allows people to go search the lots with out being hammered by the sales people. Also financial institutions are closed for financing people.

  • July 7, 2008

    11:30 AM

    history buff writes:

    Shaggy, wrongo--

    Laws passed during the last session automatically take effect on July 1st. Yesterday was the first Sunday to fall after the first. Ritter has nothing to do with the effective date of the law. You ever heard of the expression, we are country of laws and not of men? I know the Cheney Gang doesn't think so, but that is why they are total failures. And it is hard to believe that 19% of the public still think they are doing a good job.

  • July 7, 2008

    11:46 AM

    Shaggy writes:

    HB,
    Actually I think Bush's ratings are closer to 30%.
    You must be confused by the extremely low approval ratings of our Democratic led Congress.
    I am sure it was just a simple mistake.

  • July 7, 2008

    11:50 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    yo Shaggy ... you have good points there about not being badgered by the eff'ing salesmen ... .they are so obnoxious especially now that sales have slowed down ... they're like freaking piranha .... BUT .... anymore I'm working monday thru saturday and by the time I get off work I just don't have it to go car shopping ... so Sunday would be a good option if available ...... as for financing, I just arrange it w/ my credit union beforehand for a certain amount, write the dealership a $500 check, and away I go

  • July 7, 2008

    11:53 AM

    jay writes:

    "You must be confused by the extremely low approval ratings of our Democratic led Congress"

    still haven't taken that civics class have you shag?

    if your conspiracy theory about the dems being the cause of the low congressional ratings is correct...then the rubs should gain seats in november, right? vice versa is also true, no?

  • July 7, 2008

    12:08 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    Kinda ironic how gas prices began the steady rise since the Dipwads gained control isn't it...Hey algore is getting his wish, at the beginning of his man made global warming hoax tour, he said the best thing for America would be for gas prices to soar to 5 bucks a gallon.
    Did I mention his carbon footprint just went up another 10%?
    This guy consumes more energy than 10 families.

    Oh and here is an interesting fact that the femdems like jay do not want the voters to know.

    http://blog.heritage.org/2008/06/29/the-truth-about-anwr/

    But Obama does not want to drill.
    Obama does not want coal energy.
    Obama does not want Nuclear.

    For someone who says "yes we can" sure say's no alot.
    It is like he is trying real hard to be just like Carters failed one term candidacy.

    Voting for Obama would be like taking a ride on an airplane where the pilot has never flown before but thinks he can.
    Anyone who votes for him has mental problems.

  • July 7, 2008

    12:15 PM

    jay writes:

    "Kinda ironic how gas prices began the steady rise since the Dipwads gained control isn't it"

    yet another shaggian conspiracy theory. can you substantiate it by telling us which democratic policy decision you believe to be responsible for skyrocketing oil costs?

    how about that congressional rating conspiracy theory...can we call that experiment in the box? come november we'll know if you're full of bs, no?

  • July 7, 2008

    12:26 PM

    RickyLee writes:

    Boy, everybody was drunk yesterday, just like the Chicken Littles said would happen.
    Theskyisfalling theskyisfalling theskyisfalling!!!

  • July 7, 2008

    12:28 PM

    RickyLee writes:

    Boy, everybody was drunk yesterday, just like the Chicken Littles said would happen.
    Theskyisfalling theskyisfalling theskyisfalling!!!

  • July 7, 2008

    12:43 PM

    Uninformed Far Right Moron writes:

    Kinda ironic how gas prices have begun their steady increase following the Rockies' loss in the World Series. Hence, the Rockies must be a liberal organization who is conspiring to raise gas prices.

  • July 7, 2008

    1:29 PM

    history buff writes:

    Shaggy, LOL. Boy, when you want to blame somebody you don't care how ridiculous you sound. Maybe the high oil prices are due to Rupert Murdock buying the Wall Street Journal. After all, he may be telling what prices should be reported in the journal. Then again, it could be a matter of astrology.

  • July 7, 2008

    1:43 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    "which democratic policy decision you believe to be responsible for skyrocketing oil costs?"--jay

    Blocking the process of drilling in areas that actually contain Oil, extraction of Oil from shell, against Coal, the man made global warming hoax.
    Actually wanting the prices of Oil to be high.

    No conspiracies theories, just facts!!!

  • July 7, 2008

    1:58 PM

    jay writes:

    "Blocking the process of drilling in areas that actually contain Oil, extraction of Oil from shell, against Coal, the man made global warming hoax.
    Actually wanting the prices of Oil to be high."

    this is your support for your conspiracy that dems are the cause of the skyrocketing energy costs since 2001?

    wow.

    wow.

    you are aware that the dems just want to make the oil companies drill on land already approved and leased and which contains huge amounts of resources before allowing them to continue to stockpile lands...even ones that are environmentally sensitive?

    do you have a problem with that, shaggy?

    can you point me to an operating, successful, viable plant that is currently and profitably extracting oil from "shell" on a massive enough scale to influence global production?

    can you point me towards peer reviewed data that can refute the scientific consensus behind gw?

    can you show me a democratic policy stance that shows counterproductive restrictions because of gw?

    myths, shaggy.

    you've given us myths to support your conspioracy theory.

    you're officially off the reservation.

  • July 7, 2008

    2:37 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=125879

    Ken Salazar is definitely working to block shale oil extraction, mostly on the hidden reason of natural resource preservation, definitely a noble cause, but seemingly ignoring the fact that extraction can be done with careful regard for the surrounding environment. He also seems to be unsympathetic to the growing financial burden placed on middle and lower middle class Americans, who are now taking food off the table and are unable to meeting basic health care needs, so fuel can be put into the tanks to get too and from work, even in relatively fuel-efficient vehicles. And another aspect of the situation is that he has offered no alternatives to the energy problem, or America's dependence on foreign oil. Some would say that this policy is good so it forces people to conserve, but it has yet to be shown that is an actual outcome of higher fuel costs, even though miles driven have dropped, it is believed that it is due to the inability to buy rather than the conscious action of conserving. Some food for thought at any rate.

  • July 7, 2008

    2:40 PM

    benn writes:

    Strange shaggy, this little chart I found shows gas prices rising for the last 6 years.... I wonder what i would look like if the graph could go further back.

    2002 - approx $1.31
    2008 - approx $4.09

    http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx

    Google is your friend.

  • July 7, 2008

    2:41 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    Not necessarily saying they are the main cause but they do not want to do anything to help the situation.
    Either does Obama

    btw, we need to explore ways to get the oil out of Shell. Obama is against drilling, shell extractions, Nuclear, Coal ect...

    Obama is a flaming Liberal, he thinks wind and solar is the answer, Obama is a fool who thinks we have 57 States.
    He has ZERO experience, he is a phony but you cannot see through that because you are a flaming Liberal too!!!
    Facts jay!!

  • July 7, 2008

    2:58 PM

    jay writes:

    "Not necessarily saying they are the main cause but they do not want to do anything to help the situation."

    this is also a lie.

    they want the oil companies to drill here, drill now on the land they've already approved.

    again...why the pushback against that initiative, shaggy?

    "Obama is against drilling, shell extractions, Nuclear, Coal ect"

    another lie.

    "Obama is a flaming Liberal...he is a phony but you cannot see through that because you are a flaming Liberal too!!!"

    take a breath...calm down shaggy.

    your rhetoric has been debunked on this issue.

    don't pout about it...just consider not following the party line on this issue.

    fewer lies...fewer smackdowns.


  • July 7, 2008

    3:08 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    jay,
    Lets start slow, you must have had a rough weekend.
    Do you understand why Oil companies lease millions of acres of land but only actually drill on a small portion?

  • July 7, 2008

    3:39 PM

    jay writes:

    shaggy, we've covered all of these myths about the 68 million acres already approved for drilling.

    can i just post a link to that thread instead of having to go through the process of cutting and pasting just because you're going to stick to the willful ignorance thing...AGAIN....

  • July 7, 2008

    3:46 PM

    history buff writes:

    Do you understand why Oil companies lease millions of acres of land but only actually drill on a small portion?

    To keep prices high so they can gouge the consumer?

  • July 7, 2008

    3:48 PM

    Smokin a jay writes:

    "they want the oil companies to drill here, drill now on the land they've already approved"

    Demanding drilling first on all extant leases is an absurd position to take when they don’t have any indication of accessible oil from the preliminary studies. It amounts to drilling dry holes at a cost of tens of millions of dollars each just to demonstrate the futility.

  • July 7, 2008

    3:57 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    Can any of you retards explain wtf oil and Obama has to do with buying booze on Sunday in Colorado?

  • July 7, 2008

    3:58 PM

    Smokin a jay writes:

    Yes HB, it's a conspiracy. Don't forget the tinfoil hat.

    If their goal is to not drill, why bother with the expense of a lease at all?

  • July 7, 2008

    4:11 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    anyone who thinks that if there's a large deposit of oil that the oil companies know about, and that they wouldn't drill for it, isn't using rational thought...... and if they aren't drilling on their already leased land it's because they know with 99.9% certainly that it isn't going to produce enough to pay for it... simple economics .... having worked for Amoco and Philips I can tell you that there is no conspiracy out there among the oil companies to just keep leasing more and more land and not bringing up profitable crude .... but there are many areas that are being withheld that have known reserves .... and Shaggy, it's actually "shale oil" rather than "shell" and it became profitable to extract from shale at somewhere over $60 to $70 per barrel, as a general rule

  • July 7, 2008

    4:17 PM

    Shaggy aka Obamas typical bitter white person writes:

    Have you ever, just one time, ever answered a question?
    I will ask again, Do you understand why Oil companies lease millions of acres of land but only actually drill on a small portion?

    Smoking A Jay gets it, why can't you?

    No wonder the Oil execs laugh at the Democratic Senators when they ask them if they can guarantee Oil Prices will drop immediately if they let them drill off shore and ANWR.
    I liked their answer, they said they can't predict what the prices will be but they can guarantee that prices will continue to steadily rise if they don't drill.

    Did you know Obama wants to put an additional tax on Oil?
    He wants us to be gouged at the pump.

  • July 7, 2008

    4:23 PM

    Shaggy aka Obamas typical bitter white person writes:

    4:11
    Your right, my bad, how could I have ever used the wrong pronunciation. Now that Oil is on it's way to $150 a barrel, extracting Oil from SHALE is a bargain.
    Can someone please tell Governor Ritter that Colorado, Wyoming and Utah are loaded with it.

  • July 7, 2008

    4:37 PM

    jay writes:

    "Demanding drilling first on all extant leases is an absurd position to take when they don’t have any indication of accessible oil from the preliminary studies"

    actually this is a myth. rush has been saying the same thing on his radio show.

    The fact is 80 percent of the oil available on the Outer Continental Shelf is already open for leasing—but the oil companies have decided it’s not worth their money to drill there. The Bush Administration’s own Energy Information Administration says drilling the OCS would have no impact on price until 2030, and then it would be ‘insignificant.’

    "extracting Oil from SHALE is a bargain."

    well then by all means...post a link showing us where this is being done on a scale large enough and profitably enough to impact global production before we could simply drill for oil on lands already approved by the us gov't, shaggy.

    still waiting...


    so again...let's recap...

    drill here, drill now...on land already approved and ready to go.

    no need to allow the oil companies to continue to stockpile leases until they step up to the plate and help us lower oil prices by increasing domestic production.

    is there?

  • July 7, 2008

    4:55 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    You dweeb jay, Thats what I am saying, lets get Ritter to get the ball rolling, he is too busy wanting to Tax the Oil companies just like Obama does and the Democrats in Congress do.
    You aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer are you?

    No wonder why the Democratic majority Congress has revolting ratings when it comes to becoming energy independent.
    Stupidity comes to mind..

  • July 7, 2008

    5:03 PM

    jay writes:

    shaggy, i thought you were sticking to the myth that the lands already approved for drilling didn't have oil?

    are you on board with the democrat plan then?

  • July 7, 2008

    5:09 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    you mention 'stockpiling leases' .... what benefit is this to them? ... they pay money for leases, and those leases entitle them to search for oil deposits using geographic, seismic, and other methods and data .... if they find a deposit worth bringing up, they must then apply for drilling permits, environmental impact studies (in most cases), and there are mountains of paperwork of other types .... having a lease doesn't automatically entitled any US company to locate and drill .... so how does stockpiling leases benefit them, other than to give them explicit approval to search?

  • July 7, 2008

    5:54 PM

    KW writes:

    "yet another shaggian conspiracy theory. can you substantiate it by telling us which democratic policy decision you believe to be responsible for skyrocketing oil costs?" -jay

    Just as soon as jay can pinpoint and show correlation to the republican policies he's claimed over and over are a "HUGE" factor in the rising cost of gas. We're still waiting for that evidence jay, you may have forgotten your previous statements but sensible posters have not.

    "they want the oil companies to drill here, drill now on the land they've already approved." -jay

    Would that be the land they approved after declaring Anwar and offshore drilling off limits? The places where there is far less oil available and would cost a great deal more to extract due to lack of quantity? That's' like saying Burger King is off limits and if you must eat out then visit the Denver Chop House. Not quite the price range now is it there little buddy?

    I'd respond to some more of jay's silliness but right now my gut hurts from all the laughter.

    Maybe I can try again later.

  • July 7, 2008

    6:15 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    "are you on board with the democrat plan then?"

    You mean by putting an additional Tax on Oil, gas and coal and doing nothing to become energy independent?
    No, I am not on board and neither is the cast majority of Americans.
    At least McCain is willing to drill off shore and building refineries and Nuclear plants.
    Obama wants nothing to with it and it will cost him the election.

    I wonder why Obama is against taking McCain up on his offer to town hall debates?
    Could it be that he would get killed in the polls?
    Yes

    As usual jay you refuse to answer simply questions...

  • July 7, 2008

    6:27 PM

    SirRealist writes:

    Here is a website that gives some information about oil wells and how they are developed. Although it doesn't go into the permits/reports/paperwork end of things, it has good information if anyone is interested.

    http://www.ourpubliclands.org/public-lands-faq/oilandgas101

  • July 7, 2008

    7:05 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    Shag, you know you are winning the point when schizo jay begins piling on with his aliases.

    Keep up the fight bro.

  • July 7, 2008

    7:46 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    Truth is that Oil drilling has increased 66% since 2002 in those leased areas jay mentioned.
    Look it up!!!
    For some reason I have a feeling jay doesn't understand the costs involved in just running around punching DRY holes or ones that don't produce into the ground.

    We know there are tens of billions of Oil in ANWR and off our coasts. Colorado is sitting on a stock pile of oil in shale.

    Obama has no plans that I have heard of to lower gas prices.
    In fact they might go three fold under Obamas plans thus giving Billions more to Muslim based terrorists Countries.

  • July 7, 2008

    8:07 PM

    Law is Unfair to grocery, convenience stores writes:

    How come grocery stores and convenience stores got left out? We would like to buy wine and liquor from our grocery store, and this half-a**ed law made sure we can't. Will still buy from them vs the liquor stores whenever we can.

  • July 7, 2008

    8:22 PM

    smokin a jay writes:

    "actually this is a myth. rush has been saying the same thing on his radio show."

    Ahhh, the rush card... if he said it, it can't possibly be true right? Understand this, you've not rebutted the statement with the knee jerk reaction that rush said it.

    Click the link below and educate yourself jay, I've no more time for your willful ignorance.

    http://www.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB121478199392114387.html

    Cheers

  • July 7, 2008

    8:43 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    liberals out the wazoo will try and uphold their ideological tenets against further exploitation of natural resources even if it causes great pain to millions of Americans, so just be ready for things to get worse before they get better

  • July 7, 2008

    9:38 PM

    Ben-the original writes:

    Shaggy, Read your letter in Playboy.
    I also see you are still educating the ignorant liberal school boys on what really happens in the real world. Carry on my good man.

  • July 7, 2008

    9:53 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    "Shaggy, Read your letter in Playboy.".....???????

  • July 8, 2008

    7:17 AM

    Ben- I just read the articles writes:

    Whoops, never mind, different Shaggy. I was refering to the June issue about Gorman getting murdered in Denver over his medical marijuana biz. The letter was from Denver and was signed "Shaggy". :)

  • July 8, 2008

    7:41 AM

    Um, wasn't this about being able to buy liquor on Sundays? writes:

    How did this blog get hijacked by bimbos who want to discuss their it's-all-about-me issues?

  • July 8, 2008

    9:03 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    I got drunk on Sunday and assaulted someone in a church parking lot.

  • July 8, 2008

    9:06 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    I got drunk on Sunday and assaulted someone in a church parking lot.

  • July 8, 2008

    10:55 AM

    jay writes:

    "having a lease doesn't automatically entitled any US company to locate and drill"

    so many right wing myths, so little time.

    let's go over it again for the far right cheap seats.

    drill here, drill now...on the land already approved for drilling.

    there is no need to allow oil companies to continue to stockpile leases while refusing to drill on land already available to them.

    we can take steps to increase domestic production immediately. no need for confrontation over environmentally sensitive lands. no need for congressional hearings.

    just drilling.

    right now.

    "Just as soon as jay can pinpoint and show correlation to the republican policies he's claimed over and over are a "HUGE" factor in the rising cost of gas"

    we've gone over these several times, kw. is this willful ignorance raising its ugly head again or do you have some sort of short memory problem?

    republican policies have devalued the dollar and further destabilized the middle east.

    what about those to facts still confuse you?

    "Would that be the land they approved after declaring Anwar and offshore drilling off limits?"

    your ignorance on this issue is astounding. 80% of the off shore sites with oil have already been approved for drilling.

    "You mean by putting an additional Tax on Oil, gas and coal and doing nothing to become energy independent?"

    again, the willful ignorance from you folks on far right is truly amazing to watch spew forth once you're cornered.

    drill here, drill now...on lands already approved for it.

    why are you still confused about that concept, shaggy?

    "For some reason I have a feeling jay doesn't understand the costs involved in just running around punching DRY holes or ones that don't produce into the ground."

    not so much. on average, only 1 in 25 drilling sites produces a consistently profitable result.

    "Obama has no plans that I have heard of to lower gas prices"

    again...willful ignorance is no excuse...
    http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/EnergyFactSheet.pdf

    like playing dodgeball with children...and i see ben is still hiding behind the teacher...

  • July 8, 2008

    1:15 PM

    Ben-Teacher's Pet writes:

    I haven't blogged here since the end of May and jay still uses the same old cliched terms and regurgitates the far left radical ideologies of which he has been indoctrinated. Lol. Education is your friend Pinochio.

  • July 8, 2008

    2:04 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    Jay,
    You really are stupid aren't you!!!not a question but rather a fact..it is of no use and a waste of my time trying to have any kind of dialogue with you.

    I will bet you are one those far left whack jobs that is mad at Obama for now changing his stance on the war. hehehe. The war is becoming a non issue except to the nutters

    Serious, don't bother addressing my comments any more, you are so left your a radical

  • July 8, 2008

    2:40 PM

    jay writes:

    "I haven't blogged here since the end of May and jay still uses the same old cliched terms and regurgitates the far left radical ideologies of which he has been indoctrinated. Lol. Education is your friend Pinochio."

    you haven't posted here since end of may and you're still pouting when you can't refute a point.

    shaggy...i guess we're done here unless you can make and establish a point.

    emotional ranting doesn't count.

  • July 8, 2008

    3:06 PM

    Ben- Former Democrat writes:

    Pinnochio, you are a trip. Shag is spot on, you are pouting. Obama sweet talked you radical lefties in the Crat party and now you are on the hook with nowhere to go. Soooo, now he is going center. Buyer's remorse? Yep, you are a radical left wing sucker. LOL

  • July 8, 2008

    3:11 PM

    jay writes:

    by all means, benny, tell us what you think shaggy is "spot on" about...just cut and paste his posts for us.


    i'm calling bs...as usual...

  • July 8, 2008

    3:42 PM

    Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) Somebody needs to castrate our Federal government writes:

    Smokin Jay,

    Great link on the Obama dry hole. My favorite line was about leasing land on the moon. It is quite appropriate as the problem is Democrat Moonbats.

    The Federal government should not own land. The people should own all the land.

  • July 8, 2008

    3:48 PM

    Ben-just wants specifics from you know who writes:

    what are "calling bs on"? Be specific. Oh, that's how you save face. Never mind. Really dude, your silliness is tiresome and unworthy of many participants time.

    Speaking of time, why does it take 2+ minutes to post still, on the RMN blogs?

  • July 8, 2008

    4:30 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    jay, Ben was saying I am spot on that the flaming Liberals, such as yourself, are mad at Obama for changing his mind on the war because it is actually going very well.
    Now Obama is saying he will listen to the Generals before announcing what he will do next..you know..the same exact thing Bush was doing!!!!!

    Obama is going to get attacked by the flamers, such as yourself, because he is moving right to try to con voters into believing that he isn't a flamer, such as yourself.

  • July 8, 2008

    5:00 PM

    Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) Government is more about giving your friends advantage than ruling ju writes:

    807,

    So now that the Sunday barrier has been broken, why can't any store sell booze?

  • July 8, 2008

    6:58 PM

    KW writes:

    "republican policies have devalued the dollar and further destabilized the middle east." -jay

    jay - You asked shaggy to back up his post. I replied saying you have NEVER backed up your assertions... EVER!

    And what do you do??? You post another load of crap list of assertions without ever once backing them up. You are so pathetic!!!

    You've lost the debate, your (as if you ever had any) credibility and I can safely say... We're done here! Until you re-post your idiotic, unsubstantiated moveon.orgasm arguments again tomorrow, that is... Pathetic as they may be.

  • July 8, 2008

    7:32 PM

    Josh writes:

    Hey jay , I am new here so could you kindly re-post anything that backs up anything you say?

    I have never seen you back up anything so far from reading your posts.
    You just say stupid crap like we have debunked that before and it's like playing dodge ball or it is a conspiracy theory or a right wing myth with no substance.

    When the facts are presented to you, your only come back is to blame the current administration.

    Do you like acting like an idiot or is Ben, KW, Shaggy and everyone else right, you are just a far left blinded Liberal?

  • July 9, 2008

    10:50 AM

    jay writes:

    ben, still waiting on what you think shaggy was "spot on" about....just cut and paste the words he typed so i know how to respond. shaggy, you're more than welcome to cut and paste your own stuff as well.

    kw, are you saying that republican policies have NOT devalued the dollar and further destabilized the middle east...or that those outcomes didn't increase the cost of oil?

    "You just say stupid crap like we have debunked that before and it's like playing dodge ball or it is a conspiracy theory or a right wing myth with no substance"

    joshy....by all means...please let me know which of my posts has been "debunked".


  • July 9, 2008

    8:45 PM

    mh air aka air jesus writes:

    hey josh, as a newbie you'll soon get used to the fact that jay lets the other leftside bloggers do the heavy lifting while he just posts quasi-pithy regurgitation.

    jay was soundly debunked on an earlier post back in june ("praise the lord and pass the ammunition" june,13)

    he said matthew murray was gay and shot up the church because he was kicked out for being gay. churchmembers feared a gay vengeful army.

    he provided zero proof of those accusations.

    zeeeeeeeeeeeeeeero.

    then on a later post ("ted haggards back" june,23) he was back repeating the same debunked lie. kevin j jones debunked him that time.

    so josh, that is how a charlatan like jay operates. it's called ego without portfolio.

  • July 10, 2008

    12:45 PM

    jay writes:

    hate begets hate, air jebus...don't hate, and you won't have to worry about retribution.

    pouting about getting your intellectual butt handed to you isn't going to help either.

  • July 10, 2008

    1:12 PM

    mh air writes:

    archives beget accuracy, popinjay.

    just reread the aforementioned june articles and subsequent posts and your revisionist history goes flaccid like a wet noodle. speaking of butt, funny you'd mention where your intellect resides.

    don't hate that even you, the wonderful wizard of blogs (pay no attention to the dweeb behind the curtain), aren't immune from debunking.

  • July 11, 2008

    3:06 PM

    jay writes:

    lol...let's recap for the far religious right cheap seats.

    the church kicked out the future shooter for having homosexual tendencies.

    he was pissed.

    he came back to get some revenge.

    thus...hate begets hate.

    not sure what yo'ure confused about there, air jebus...

  • July 11, 2008

    7:08 PM

    Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) Jesus died, was buried and rose again. writes:

    Jay,

    Read this and I don't think you can logically say that anyone hated Matthew Murray. Christians don't hate people, but people do hate Christians.

    http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2008/02/mathew_murray_shooting_gods_pl.php

  • July 11, 2008

    9:44 PM

    mh air aka air bejesus writes:

    what i'm confused about jay is when you're going to back up your assertions with any evidence. i'm going to need to see some links to actual interviews with mathew murrays gay lovers, churchmembers who thru him out for being gay, murray himself, friends and family. pretend you're an actual reporter and dig for some evidence to corroborate your claims. until then, excuse me if i don't regard your uneducated opinion as gospel. last chance jay, put up or shut up.

  • July 11, 2008

    10:11 PM

    mh air aka air cheez whiz writes:

    josh, if you're still reading these posts you can see just how delusional jay is from his latest posts. when one has been debunked repeatedly and yet still posts the same insipid crapola, insanity is the only deduction. word of advise josh, stay away from the conversational quagmire that calls itself jay. he's like the knight in "monty python & the holy grail" who after having both arms and legs cut off, still thinks the fight is viable.

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