July 24, 2008 10:06 AM
Quinnipiac: McCain leads, Schaffer gains in Colorado
John McCain has reversed polling trends to take a slim lead over Barack Obama among Colorado voters, says a new Quinnipiac poll.
Bill Scanlon reports:
A month ago, Obama held a 49-44 percent lead over McCain in the same poll.And in the U.S. Senate race, Republican Bob Schaffer has closed the gap against Democrat Mark Udall. Udall was ahead a month ago by 10 percentage points, but the latest numbers show a dead heat -- 44 to 44.
The poll, conducted for the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal, zeroes in on key battleground states -- Colorado, Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin -- where the presidential contest is expected to be very close.
McCain made a big move in Minnesota and narrowed large gams in Michigan and Wisconsin, the poll found.
McCain's gains likely were connected to voters' changing views on key issues. The poll found that voters in each state say energy policy is more important than the war in Iraq.
Voters in each state polled support off-shore drilling and drilling in the Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge -- activities that McCain supports but Obama opposes.
Here's the methodology, courtesy of MSNBC's First Read:
From July 14 - 22, Quinnipiac University surveyed:
-- 1,425 Colorado likely voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percent;
-- 1,684 Michigan likely voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.4 percent;
-- 1,261 Minnesota likely voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.8 percent;
-- 1,094 Wisconsin likely voters with a margin of error of +/- 3 percent.
What do you make of McCain's gains? Do you trust polls before September?
July 24, 2008
10:47 AM
Shaggy aka Obamas typical bitter white person writes:
It is always like this.
The Democrats get into a frenzy early on and take the lead.
Once people slowly find out horrible the Democratic Candidates are people back off them.
Obama was suppose to be winning by double digits once he became the nominee but he has been declining.
In the last several primaries Hillary was beating him by double digits.
Once again the Democrats have set themselves up for failure.
Edwards affair isn't going to them help either.
I think Obama was going to pick him and now if he doesn't pick Hillary there will be a lot of pissed off protesters in Denver, which, is also not going to be helpful to the Democrats.
Now we have the Democrats standing in the way off off shore drilling and drilling in ANWR.
This includes Salazar standing in the way of exploring shale oil in Colorado that estimates say has three fold the oil in Saudi Arabia.
80% of Americans want to start drilling off shore.
McCain is for it.
Obama is against it.
McCain will be our next President and the Democratic party will be fractured beyond repair.
The Democratic controlled Congress has approval ratings of 9%.
People are waking up once again and see that the Democrats are incapable of leading this great Country.
July 24, 2008
10:52 AM
Observer writes:
And so begins the political unraveling of Barack Obama.
July 24, 2008
11:07 AM
Observer 11 writes:
But I thought Obamas grand tour of the world for the first time was suppose to boost his ratings.
Maybe people are just plain sick and tired of the biased Media Coverage trying to control this election and it is back firing on him.
It is a sad day when the Media starts trying to control elections instead of holding the candidates feet to the fire.
Obama would not be here if it wasn't for the kiddy glove treatment he received early on while they were blasting Hillary.
I hope it comes back to bite them and it looks as though it is.
July 24, 2008
11:18 AM
KW writes:
Even more interesting numbers. And from NBC even...
NBC News/The Wall Street Journal Poll July 18-21, 2008:
Who reflects your values?
McCain 58% Obama 47%
+/- 3.1 pts
Who is the safer or riskier choice?
Safer: McCain 46% Obama 41%
Riskier: Obama 55% McCain 35%
+/- 4.4 pts
Yes I would agree, the unraveling has definitely begun.
July 24, 2008
11:21 AM
Observer writes:
Hey Mark, shouldn't we be blogging about how the DNC workers have been filling up at state-owned gas pumps, thereby avoiding taxes?
July 24, 2008
11:54 AM
Shaggy aka Obamas typical bitter white person writes:
I wonder where my fan club is on this blog..hehehe
I think they are all in morning now that people are getting to know the plastic messiah and realize how inexperienced and immature he is...not to mention very far left...hehehe
July 24, 2008
12:30 PM
Duhhhimarepub writes:
God this country is in trouble when complete idiots like those above have a vote. After 8 yrs. of repub rule look at are country, its in the toilet, and you freaking idiots want another 4 years.
What will gas been than, what will the national debt be, will there be any public lands left or will it all be given over to the oil companies, how many wars will be in for the sake of the GOP war profiteering machine.
Whenever I came home and tried to point out something bad about our country to my day, his typical right wing response would be, If you don't like this country move somewhere else. So shallow and close minded.
Dems don't just stick their head in the sand when america is doing something wrong, we try to fix it and make our country even better.
That is what obama is about looking at our faults and trying to make us the once GREAT PROUD nation we were before neo cons turned are great country into a dictaroship. But those on the right will never open their minds, they keep using the same talking points they've used for the past 50 yrs.
In simple terms the present day repubs are like the past Confederates of the south and modern day dems are like the Union of the north.
If it was up to repubs, we'd still have slavery, woman or minorities would not be allowed to vote, workers would have no rights, the enviroment would take 2nd seat to profits, etc...
By the way, where was this poll taking, rural Colorado where all the uneducated rednecks are. This polls a joke and so is this country if mcsame wins. The last 2 elections have been stolen so lets see if the GOP can make it 3 in a row when 70% of Americans are sick of repub policies.
I know I should go live somewhere else, rather than try to improve my country, lets just keep the status quo, because change is to much for the right to handle. They can't take it when rich white guys don't control everything, when woman aren't barefoot and pregnant and minorities aren't 2nd class citizens.
Man you people are pathetic.
July 24, 2008
12:46 PM
JW writes:
Nationally the "poll of polls" hasnt changed. Obama leading by 6 or 7 pts.
July 24, 2008
12:53 PM
Russ writes:
Hey, Duhhim - the Dems have controlled US Congress past 2 years and Colorado the past 2 years. What has improved? And here is another elitest Dem saying that those who don't vote for Obama, must be an uneducated redneck. I think a lot of people just have good common sense and thats something Dems can't stand - they want to tell us what we all should be doing and how to do it.
July 24, 2008
1:08 PM
Shaggy aka Obamas typical bitter white person writes:
Duh,
No,just the opposite is true, we are in trouble when we have idiots who believe Obama is the save all when he has absolutely ZERO credibility and NO credentials.
I don't even want to start typing the all the many many idiotic statements that come out of this fools mouth.
While McCain may not be a much better Candidate for America, he is a hell of a lot better than Obama who thinks Iran is a tiny Country and we would just run right over them and who said he would attack Pakistan with Nukes unknown to him they are our Ally's.
This is the same guy that said we need more Arabic speaking translators in Afganistan but is too stupid to understand they don't speak Arabic in Afganistan.
However, Obama keeps reminding us how dumb we are and should learn a second language because he is embarrassed by us when we travel abroad.
Obama does not understand that the reason many people from Foreign Nations speak English is because we are the WORLDS SUPER POWER and in order to do business and succeed they need to learn ENGLISH.
Obama is a Elitist European Socialist who thinks he is a Dictator.
He has a Law degree yet has never tried a case ONE time in his life.
He has gained his influence by clinging to low life's such as
William Ayers...the terrorist.
Jeremiah Wright...the racist Reverend of 20 years.
Michael Pfleger...another racist Reverend.
Tony Rezko...The money launderer who is headed for or is in Prison and also helped Obama buy his Mansion under market rates.
Obama has never stood up to anyone in his life and has used anyone who would help him up the Political ladder.
Obamas only experience is 143 days in the Senate before he announced his run.
Good post Russ, spot on.
People are actually educating themselves about Obama and are not liking what they see.
I think this will continue the closer we get.
July 24, 2008
1:34 PM
RiverGirl writes:
TIME TO HANG IT UP SHAGGY. Your daily diatribe of hate is getting less coherent with each passing day.
I'm having trouble understanding how you can truly believe that McCane is the candidate that America feels most "shares their values". Anyone catch him on the news last night, walking the supermarket isles with the housewives? He was shaking his head in wonder (or confusion?) about the cost of a gallon of milk? Priceless.
If you haven't noticed yet, this is not the politics as usual campaign season. Is Obama right on absolutely everything. Not a chance. But, does he believe that positive results can come from getting Americans engaged in the process. Heck yes.
Maybe the Iraqi War, the Economy, the National Debt, Healthcare and the Housing Crisis are all working fine for you...Then by all means, put McCane in the White House; you are among many voters who are filled with fear that it just might be up to them to help things get better.
I'm OK with that. But there are hundreds of thousands of other independent voters, who think it might be time to try a new way of doing things.
July 24, 2008
1:46 PM
jay writes:
"the Dems have controlled US Congress past 2 years and Colorado the past 2 years. What has improved?"
which is why the republicans who have obstructed initiatives and legislation with the support of the majority of americans will continue to lose seats this election cycle.
the beatings will continue until the republicans start listening to americans.
shaggy...are you planning on running from policy discussions for the entire year?
will you run this ploy all the way up to election night?
by the way...inaccurate statements about obama's policy stances (say like his stances on oil exploration) don't count as "facts".
they might be Shacts...but not facts.
July 24, 2008
2:00 PM
MFP writes:
Way to much attention is paid to polls this far out from the election. A lot is going to happen between now & Nov 4th. The polls will be a lot more relavent in mid-september.
July 24, 2008
2:02 PM
Anonymous writes:
River girl you are delusional if you think the plastic messiah will do anything to help you.
Hw will bankrupt this Country with his National Health Care plan.
He also wants all the illegals to be included.
This guy is an idiot which ever way you look at it.
He wants an additional Tax on Oil, did you know that??
Obama is against, coal, Shale, Oil, Gas, Nuclear, Refineries ect....
McCain is for it.
McCain will be our next President whether you me or anyone else likes it.
Obama is naive and inexperienced.
He is controlled by the far left as we just seen when he mentioned listening to our Generals but he took a lot of flak from the likes of move.on and the dailykos so he quickly switched his stance.
If you think he would be better for this Country than McCain you are not very informed about Obama and his European Socialist ideas.
Listen to him talk how he is embarrassed by America, his wife is not proud of America.
Wants us all to speak another Language but doesn't understand why other Nations that want to succeed learn to speak ENGLISH.
jay, it is the Democrats standing in the way of energy independence.
You do understand that don't you?
Want to hear something funny errr stupid?
Pelosi just asked Bush to release our Oil reserves to lower prices at the pump right after Obama said putting more Oil in the market would do nothing.
Rush made a goos point today, if we would just sell Alaska nack to Russia and let them drill and sell it back to the U.S. she would think that would be brilliant...hehehe...what a dumb..B_____ Pelosi is!!!!!
Just having Bush lift the ban lowered prices...just as I said it would.
Now if the Democrats would actually let the Oil Companies drill where there is Oil just think what would happened to prices.
But left thinking people just aren't smart enough to understand that and it is obvious from listening to them here!!!
July 24, 2008
2:05 PM
Shaggy aka Obamas typical bitter white person writes:
btw jay,
You love polls...what is the Democratic controlled Congresses approval ratings right now???????
What have they done????
Thats what I thought...you would rather run from the truth and say it is the Republicans holding key issues up....which is another lie of yours.
July 24, 2008
2:17 PM
William of Orange writes:
It will be fun to start watching the panic set in among the Obamaphiles as moderate Democrats sit smugly on the side and state "Hillary's still available"!
July 24, 2008
2:18 PM
William of Orange writes:
It will be fun to start watching the panic set in among the Obamaphiles as moderate Democrats sit smugly on the side and state "Hillary's still available"!
July 24, 2008
2:50 PM
duhhhh/imshaggy writes:
Mcsame doesn't know the difference between shia's and sunnis, doesn't know the Czech repub. no longer exists, doesn't know much about economics, his own words, continues to make mistakes about Iraq, such as the Anbar Awakening was because of the surge when in fact it happened months before the surge, and now CBS had edited that tape to cover up for mcsame and he is claiming the media is biased towards obama. mcsame makes mistakes on a daily basis yet the media never holds him accountable but the first time obama says something wrong its in the news for the next week. Come on faggy, pull you head out of your ass.
July 24, 2008
2:52 PM
Shaggy aka Obamas typical bitter white person writes:
The fact that Obama has dumped record amounts of money trying to beat Hillary who was virtually out of money and still couldn't put her away shows how weak he is.
BTW, Hillary had the popular vote but Obama deceived the super D's early on into pledging to him and Hillary couldn't catch up.
The fact that Hillary was beating him in almost every primary after the Reverend Wright appeared and she also led every poll as the Stronger Candidate against McCain shows how weak Obama is.
The fact that Obama has now become the presumed nominee and has tons of money compared to McCain yet he still cannot distance himself from him shows how weak he is.
If this isn't enough to convince you that Obama will lose, just look at his energy policies. People are going to be voting for lower energy prices.
All of Obamas policies would raise energy prices.
Still not enough..
Obama needs Christians, Catholics and Blue Collar workers to win the election.
Yet Obama is pro abortion and thinks middle white Americans are bitter.
I expect the Polls for McCain to keep going up and Obamas to drop dismally.
Obamas will take a steep dive once he tries to debate against McCain...
Obama does not do very well without a pre-written speech that he can read off the tela prompts.
It is no surprise why Obama received a warm welcome in Europe...He is a European Socialist who constantly criticizes America and Americans.
Even to they point he says he is embarrassed when Americans travel abroad for not knowing another Language.
BTW, I didn't hear the plastic messiah making his speech today in German.
July 24, 2008
2:57 PM
MongoLikeCandy writes:
Think the people on the Obama wagon are starting to tire?
Just wait until the Dems screw this city up for two or three weeks for their party. That should pi$$ quite a few people off and keep the ball rolling McCain's way...
the Pelosi/Reid Congress sitting around and complaining a lot doesn't help Obama either.
July 24, 2008
2:57 PM
JW writes:
"Just having Bush lift the ban lowered prices...just as I said it would."
Fallacy of false cause.
"Now if the Democrats would actually let the Oil Companies drill where there is Oil just think what would happened to prices."
Please START thinking. This "Belief" crap you rely on doesnt help make informed decisions. You make "Believe" that opening up drilling would help. You may "Believe" that Dems are stopping drilling. Doesnt make it so.
"If you think he would be better for this Country than McCain you are not very informed about Obama and his European Socialist ideas."
If you wish to make accusations of someone being a "European Socialist" you have a duty to know what a European Socialist IS. You clearly do not.
"It will be fun to start watching the panic set in among the Obamaphiles as moderate Democrats sit smugly on the side and state "Hillary's still available"!"
Actually, you dont need to be a Democrat to think this at all. All you need to do is look at Obama's vote for telco immunity, McCains not present for the same vote, and Hillary voting to uphold your constitutional rights by voting NO.
"Listen to him talk how he is embarrassed by America, his wife is not proud of America."
With idiots like you making up the bulk of our electorate (whether wingnut or loonitic lefty) I AM EMBARRRASSED BY AMERICA. With the foreign policy of the Bush admin being the face of America for the rest of the world over the last 8 years...I AM EMBARRASSED BY AMERICA. With the way we support the trashing of the Constitution in the name of saftey (like a bunch of sissies) and the way we are arguing FOR torture (like a bunch of Stallin's) I AM EMBARRASED BY AMERICA. With the way I have to quallify being an American every time I go abroad (No, I didnt vote for that idiot ONCE!) I AM EMBARRASSED TO BE AN AMERICAN.
We have been a bunch of idiotic fuckups for the last 8 years, and the entire world (including us( has suffered for it.
July 24, 2008
3:08 PM
RTL Word Meister writes:
And today's overused phrase of the week is "European Socialist"...After this week it will be forever enshrined in the RTL Hall of Overuse alongside "Strawman Fallacy", "Liberal Conspiracy", "Fundie" and the like.
July 24, 2008
3:11 PM
JMH writes:
I am just amazed at all the idiots on here that want to say "Obama has no foreign policy expierience" or that McSame would be better at foreign policy.
If this were true, then expalin to me why Obama draws HUGE supportive crowds on his trip through Europe? Why polls in just about EVREY country in the world shows that citizens in these countries prefer Obama to become president of the USA by WIDE margins and why, if Bush/McCain are so "in tune" with the rest of the world, they have to fly into other countries with heavy security and they either are ignored by the general population or they are followed around by large and very vocal and angry crowds?
Seems to me, by the reaction each of the canidates get in the world that Obama is very much "in tune" with the world and the world would much rather work and deal with Obama.
Face it NeoCons, the world hates us because we let an ignorant, hick set the world afire based on BS. The world stage's reactions to G. W. Bush, don't exactly make it look like they would work well with or even want to work with another GOP cowboy that is totally ignorant of the world (well maybe Chezoslovakia might, if it still existed...haha). McCain may have more "expierience" but that doesn't mean he is smarter, just older. Hell my grandfather has more expierance than me in alot of things, but try to get him to program the VCR or to try and relate to what myself or the newer generations are struggling with today. He just doesn't understand.
Same with McCain, he is a relic and the world isn't in the Cold War anymore (though I'm sure the GOP puppet master's in the defense contractor industries still wish we were), and the world isn't "black & white". It is much more complex and advanced today. The old ways of doing things are over and wont work.
McCain brings more of the same, just this week the Iraqi's proved it by siding with Obama's plans for the future of Iraq! But what do they know about what's best for their country? After all, The NeoCon "New World Order" seems to be working really great these last 7 years with all the peace and prosperity it has brough to the world, don't it?
July 24, 2008
3:12 PM
MongoLikeCandy writes:
Think the people on the Obama wagon are starting to tire?
Just wait until the Dems screw this city up for two or three weeks for their party. That should pi$$ quite a few people off and keep the ball rolling McCain's way...
the do-nothing Pelosi/Reid Congress sitting around and complaining a lot isn't quite the albatross W. is for McCain, but this has to be a worry for Obama. Who would have thought the American people would actually hold Congress accountable for blaming Bush for everything while making very little effort to do ANYTHING to help the PEOPLE? If the Dems in Congress do something helpful now, Bush would have to sign it and that just wouldn't look very good... they gotta keep the boogie man alive so they can properly sacrifice him in November!
But who would have imagined that Congress might be held accountable!?!?! In a democratic republic no less!
My goodness.
The nerve some people have is just astonishing.
July 24, 2008
3:18 PM
Shaggy aka Obamas typical bitter white person writes:
Truths about the plastic messiah hurt don't they JW.
I know exactly what a European Socialist is and Obama fits that description to a tee.
I could really care less if you are embarrassed but to have Obama who wants to be the Leader of the world to go over seas and prioritize America is inexcusable and shows how inexperienced he is.
For him to go to Iraq and start discussing departure procedures was border line treason and also shows what an idiot he is.
The Dems should have ran Hillary...she would have had a better chance of winning...Obama will not even have a chance as it draws near.
The guy is out of touch with reality...then again...most Democrats are...thats why they don't have a problem with retreating in defeat because they are used to losing...hehehe
July 24, 2008
3:30 PM
Enquiring Minds Want to Know writes:
Shagster, do you have any friends who are not present or former substance abusers? You must be a load of fun at parties. I would pay to see you and JW get gradually drunk at the same time...
July 24, 2008
3:50 PM
JW writes:
"I know exactly what a European Socialist is and Obama fits that description to a tee."
Clearly you dont.
"The Dems should have ran Hillary"
Agreed
"she would have had a better chance of winning"
Maybe, maybe not.
"Obama will not even have a chance as it draws near."
Counting chickens before theyve hatched.
"The guy is out of touch with reality"
Dunno about that.
"then again...most Democrats are"
Pot, kettle.
"thats why they don't have a problem with retreating in defeat because they are used to losing...hehehe"
Idiotic childish bs.
July 24, 2008
3:51 PM
history buff writes:
"Just having Bush lift the ban lowered prices...just as I said it would."
LOL. WACKO.
Did someone try to say this again today? Whoever did knows nothing about financial markets. How could oil to be produced a decade from now affect the price paid for oil on today's spot market, or for delivery in 30, 60 or 90 days? Prices are dropping because of decreased demand. It's the first concept taught in college macro-economics. I guess that is why econ is a flunk out course. Most people can't grasp even the most basic concept.
BTW, McCain and the GOP hate machine has been working non-stop for months. Obama has not yet begone to fight. McCain supported Bush in his attempt to destroy social security. How is that going to play in Florida once the election revs up?
It looks like to me that the McCain supporters on this thread are verging on the level of infinite irrationality. If McCain's message is going to be WACKO, I think he will be destroyed once the campaign becomes focused.
July 24, 2008
3:52 PM
ex writes:
3:30-
Party's? Shaggy doesn't go out, he's divorced and a drunk.
July 24, 2008
3:53 PM
Shaggy aka Obamas typical bitter white person writes:
"prioritize America"
I meant criticize America and Americans.
Obama seems to do this on a regular basis these days.
3:30,
Although I don't drink much, I am sure I would kick JW in that too just like I do daily here.
If you are saying that people with substance abuses who try to recover are lesser humans, I wouldn't want you to be my friend, but I am sure I have many more friends than you do. That tends to happen when you own your own business and rely on being friends with your customers for future business.
July 24, 2008
3:59 PM
Shaggy aka Obamas typical bitter white person writes:
You guys really think you have me pegged but then again, you are wrong again...as usual...
July 24, 2008
4:05 PM
KW writes:
"...expalin to me why Obama draws HUGE supportive crowds on his trip through Europe?" -jmh
I will, although you're so mezmassiahed with Obama you'll just lapse into even deeper denial.
The reason for the enormous crowds in places like Berlin are exactly the same as the reasons for the 75,000+ crowd he drew in Portland. He pays top bands to perform prior to his speeches and gives his minions free admission.
July 24, 2008
4:16 PM
Shaggy writes:
And because he is a European Socialist himself.
Plus he cuts down America and Americans which the Europeans also like.
July 24, 2008
4:22 PM
Anon writes:
So you are saying that you need to ply your customers with booze because your work is so bad it cannot speak for itself.
Speaks volumes there Shag.
July 24, 2008
4:45 PM
ML writes:
Rivergirl nailed it, Shaggy. Repubs are out of touch. If you need further proof than McCain shaking his head in wonder about the price of milk recently, there was also a recent story of the shrub being informed about the price of gas. His response was, "$4 a gallon? I didn't know that!"
July 24, 2008
5:03 PM
MongoLikeCandy writes:
Hey, didn't a little guy with a populist message and a funny mustache draw big crowds in Germany too???
July 24, 2008
6:12 PM
???? writes:
As an Obama supporter, I wished he would have made a positive speech about America today in Germany instead of down grading us and our Country.
I am re-thinking my vote now.
July 24, 2008
7:01 PM
Sharon b writes:
I do sense a lot of fear from the far right and left. Too many personal opinions are tied up in political ideas. Prove a person wrong in a couple of "ideas" and they act like their entire lives have been compromised.
If Obama wins that does not mean the philosophy of the left wins.
If McCain wins, that doesn't mean all the ideas of the right win the entire country.
I know that when Republicans are in power they will cut programs to the lowest levels of the socioeconomic ladder, and give tax breaks to the wealthiest top 1%.
Democrats will try to reverse that and put so many new programs in, and hire so many new people that it gums up the system.
My heart is with programs to help the lowest 1%, not the highest.
I am pro choice, I know the Republicans will try to get new laws through limiting choice.
You all know that Democrats will try to keep the situation the same, on abortion, and fight the new laws.
On and on the cycle goes. I couldn't vote for McCain or any Republican even if they were the Messiah, and by the way, Rushies, that term has been so overused you all just look childish saying it.
We don't refer to McCain always as That Adulterer. But, with more accuracy than you, we could.
July 24, 2008
7:02 PM
Sharon b writes:
I do sense a lot of fear from the far right and left. Too many personal opinions are tied up in political ideas. Prove a person wrong in a couple of "ideas" and they act like their entire lives have been compromised.
If Obama wins that does not mean the philosophy of the left wins.
If McCain wins, that doesn't mean all the ideas of the right win the entire country.
I know that when Republicans are in power they will cut programs to the lowest levels of the socioeconomic ladder, and give tax breaks to the wealthiest top 1%.
Democrats will try to reverse that and put so many new programs in, and hire so many new people that it gums up the system.
My heart is with programs to help the lowest 1%, not the highest.
I am pro choice, I know the Republicans will try to get new laws through limiting choice.
You all know that Democrats will try to keep the situation the same, on abortion, and fight the new laws.
On and on the cycle goes. I couldn't vote for McCain or any Republican even if they were the Messiah, and by the way, Rushies, that term has been so overused you all just look childish saying it.
We don't refer to McCain always as That Adulterer. But, with more accuracy than you, we could.
July 24, 2008
8:41 PM
MongoLikeCandy writes:
Does Obama outdraw David Hasselhoff in Germany???
July 24, 2008
8:53 PM
FreeToChoose writes:
Sharon B:
Glad to see you're casting your vote based on your opinion of how the government will treat 2% of the electorate... that's very sophisticated on your part... or narrow minded... I can't decide.
July 24, 2008
8:58 PM
40acresandmymuleandNAMvetbennies writes:
John "fossilized felon" McBush ($112K political bribe) and GWB/Justice Alito (UCMJ felons, AWOL, deserters and guilty of illegal separation and discharge), are living proof, committing felony offenses, won't keep GOP electees and appointees from holding office.. Heil Hitler!
July 24, 2008
9:45 PM
MongoLikeCandy writes:
I hear Obama was going to use the line:
"Ich bin ein Beginner" in his speech in Berlin, but his aides weren't sure the rest of the world could handle the truth... even when spoken so eloquently.
July 24, 2008
10:50 PM
FreeToChoose writes:
Sharon B:
Riddle me this... did the top 1% do better under George H.W. Bush or under Bill Clinton?
You will be surprised by the answer (if you find an ACCURATE source, like, say, reported IRS filings).
Because the top 1% gained more wealth under Clinton than they did under this Bush. They merely consolidated their lead over the past 7 years, but they built that lead under Clinton.
Why is that????
Even so, the notion that raising taxes on the rich will raise money for programs for the bottom 1% is naive. No matter what tax regime the US had operated under, tax REVENUES have always normalized to about 19.5% of GDP! The only way to grow tax revenue meaningfully is to grow GDP... and that generally does not include stickin' it to the people who actually have the capital to invest in our nation's economy.
Do the rich pay too little in taxes? Maybe, but corporations pay way too much. You have to give the holders of capital a reason to invest that capital. We have likely exhausted our wealthy investors... they're investing outside the US these days anyway... but there's hundreds of billions in capital sitting offshore because US corporations refuse to move that capital to a high tax residence such as the US. If we decide to soak the rich we had better compensate with cuts in corporate taxes and/or corporate compliance, because otherwise that capital will stay away.
"If the fans don't come out to the ball park, you can't stop them."
-Yogi Berra
July 25, 2008
7:51 AM
MangoSurprise writes:
Hillary made the same mistake so I am not surprised that Obama and Udall are heading in the same direction.
When you hinge your campaign on an outgoing Repub President who has low ratings, and you ignore the historically low ratings of the companion Dem Congress, you miscalculate the will of the voters who do not share your inevitability to win the election.
"John Kerry Reporting for DooDee".
July 25, 2008
10:20 AM
hamcat writes:
"If this were true, then expalin to me why Obama draws HUGE supportive crowds on his trip through Europe? Why polls in just about EVREY country in the world shows that citizens in these countries prefer Obama to become president of the USA by WIDE margins and why, if Bush/McCain are so "in tune" with the rest of the world, they have to fly into other countries with heavy security and they either are ignored by the general population or they are followed around by large and very vocal and angry crowds?"
last time I check Obama and McCain were running for President of the Unites State of America, not for President of the European Union or Free World Alliance. While it is somewhat important for America to appear positive to the world, what is more important is maintaining America's position of power in the world. And going on a political campaign tour overseas and denegrating America is not helpful to America's image. Instead he apologized for "mistakes" made by America. If your candidate is starting from a position of weakness, if he is starting by trying to placate people who are still going to detest the greatness that is America regardless of who is President, then he is scary indeed.
Increase taxes on the upper class, and increase government funding on entitlement programs. Only problem is that increasing taxes historically does not result in increased tax revenue. Then see the dollar plummet worse than it is now, as an Obama administration would then have to get Congress to escalate the debt to pay for the new or upgraded entitlement programs, or severely cut funding to everything else including the military, at a time when the world is adding members everyday whose main goal is to see the destruction of a free, democratic way of life.
July 25, 2008
11:25 AM
jay writes:
here are the latest numbers:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10
mccain is still losing...as he has been consistently for months now.
"The reason for the enormous crowds in places like Berlin are exactly the same as the reasons for the 75,000+ crowd he drew in Portland. He pays top bands to perform prior to his speeches and gives his minions free admission"
wow...can you smell the fear after reading conspiracy theories like this one from kw?
"When you hinge your campaign on an outgoing Repub President who has low ratings, and you ignore the historically low ratings of the companion Dem Congress, you miscalculate the will of the voters who do not share your inevitability to win the election."
that would make an interesting point if it were true.
the fact is that mccain represents a third bush term...so it is entirely appropriate and indeed responsible to evaluate the track record of mccain's policies under the bush administration.
furthermore, congress has dismal rating because of republican obstruction of initiatives and legislation with the support of the majority of americans....which is why the republicans, not the democrats will lose more seats this fall according to every major national scientific poll.
if your version of events were true, mango, wouldn't the republicans gain seats?
"While it is somewhat important for America to appear positive to the world, what is more important is maintaining America's position of power in the world"
yep...and as we've seen over the last 8 years...policies that damage diplomatic relationships the world over are bad for america.
"Instead he apologized for "mistakes" made by America. If your candidate is starting from a position of weakness, if he is starting by trying to placate people who are still going to detest the greatness that is America regardless of who is President, then he is scary indeed. "
that is certainly one way to look at it.
another way to look at it is realizing that we can no longer refuse to acknowledge the facts and reality and expect to receive the respect of the world...and the strength that goes along with that.
"Then see the dollar plummet worse than it is now, as an Obama administration would then have to get Congress to escalate the debt to pay for the new or upgraded entitlement programs, or severely cut funding to everything else including the military, at a time when the world is adding members everyday whose main goal is to see the destruction of a free, democratic way of life."
this is just a mythical opinion...let's not pretend its fact.
if you'll study both mccain and obama's policies platforms...you'll see that neither produces a net tax reduction...but mccain produces more debt....just like bush.
tough to make the case we should continue bush's failed policies under mccain.
July 25, 2008
1:02 PM
Observer writes:
The point of this whole thread is that McCain is gaining, the luster is wearing off Obama, and McCain will likely walk to vicotry and continue the many gains of the Bush administration.
July 25, 2008
3:26 PM
Shaggy aka Obamas typical bitter white person writes:
Obama says NO to drilling off our coasts and in ANWR.
McCain says YES to drilling off our coasts and in ANWR.
Say hello to our next President...Mr.John McCain.
Even Udals 10 lead has diminished because of his anti-Oil stance.
And what is the stance of our unbelievably stupid Senator Salazar and our one term Governor TaxRitters?
Now take a look at their ratings!!!
Any questions????
Liberals just don't get it.
No wonder why they are used to being losers.
July 25, 2008
9:22 PM
Anonymous writes:
McCain should be miles behind the consecrated winner if you can believe anything a liberal moron tells you.
An unpopular 2 term republican lame duck president, the economy in the toilet, our standing in the world is the worst it has ever been, a needless war, etc etc etc.
Obama should be ahead by 30 points if any of these things were true or mattered.
It's just like when black america cheered the OJ verdict.
Liberal democrats just can't figure out how to choose a winner.
July 26, 2008
10:31 AM
KW writes:
Nice links jay. At least we can't ever accuse you of using more than one source. And at least you now concur with what we've been saying all along. The Hillary supporters have NOT flocked to Obama's aid as so many here predicted. If they had, Obama would have a 15-20 pt lead rather than a slim 2-6 points, depending on which poll you read on which day.
I do question the second link though. The map is rather presumptuous in that it shows states like PA, OH and even CO as going for Obama.
PA and OH are neck and neck and in case you didn't read the title of this thread, McCain has a slim margin OVER Obama, not under.
Nice try but you still need to work on your curve ball.
BTW - Did you attend one of Obama's free, prespeech rock concerts?
July 26, 2008
11:23 AM
Shaggy writes:
Hey KW,
Any bets the Liberal plastic Rock Star is planning on paying someone like the liberal Bruce Springsteen to play at Invesco field before he does his almighty plastic speech so they can act like ObamaCarter is the one filling it?
Also, can you feel the desperation in the femdems lately?
They know they are running on a losing ticket..hehehe
July 26, 2008
2:36 PM
KW writes:
I was wondering that myself Shagmeister. It all depends. For Obama's speeches anyone can attend and there's no charge to get in, that's why he hires top bands to perform. He needs something to draw the crowds and the free concerts do the trick. I'd bet over half in attendance are there for the free concert and not Obama.
But with the DNC and Invesco, is there a fee or limited tickets to these events? If so I doubt Obama would waste money hiring musicians to an event people are already paying to see. Besides, I'm sure Obama's budget can only handle so many million $$ gigs at a time. He'll need to fleece some more unsuspecting, undereducated minions before he can afford the next rock concert.
And as people begin to wise up about him, I wouldn't be surprised if he resorted to giving out free gas cards to his future speech attendees.
Remember, this man is one shrewd politician.
July 26, 2008
4:25 PM
Shaggy writes:
"giving out free gas cards to his future speech attendees."
hehehe
July 27, 2008
3:29 PM
jay writes:
data is data, kw.
you can refuse to believe it...but as usual...it's not going to make a difference.
obama's been consistently ahead of mccain for MONTHS.
i'm not quite sure what you're point is...do you believe obama should be further ahead considering 8 out of 10 americans don't want to see his policies continued....or do you think he should be farther ahead because too few americans (like yourself apparently) don't vote along policy...but rather party...lines.
July 27, 2008
4:50 PM
KW writes:
jay - Numerous times I've very clearly outlined the reasons Obama barely leads McCain AND why Obama draws such large crowds at his sermons, er... speeches I mean.
Why do you have such a problem with this truth? And why is it you must perpetually propagate these far left myths of yours? The voters are virtually split as to who they'll vote for but no amount of whining from you will change that.
It's time you acknowledge reality and grow up my son.
July 27, 2008
5:13 PM
jay writes:
numerous times yo'uve given unsubstantiated opinions...not facts, kw.
let's not confuse the two shall we?
what "far left myths" do you see in the information i've posted?
July 27, 2008
9:04 PM
Anyone? writes:
Why isn't Obama at least 30 points ahead of McCain with all of the help he is getting from the MSM?
July 28, 2008
8:17 AM
JW writes:
This country is screwed...regardless of who wins.
July 28, 2008
8:28 AM
Anonymous writes:
"Why isn't Obama at least 30 points ahead of McCain with all of the help he is getting from the MSM?"---Anyone
Same reason Hillary was kicking his arse at the end of the primaries.
Obama is the weaker candidate.
Why hasn't he taken a 15-30? point lead since becoming the assumed nominee?
Why can't the Democrats raise money for the DNC since Obama has pretty much locked up the nominee?
This was suppose to be Hillary's election and then somebody that no one knew 10 months ago cruised his way into victory lane because the press loved him and were afraid of being labeled a racist if they ask him a hard or direct question.
This has been Obamas motif all his life to get to where he is today.
If anyone is a racist it is Obama and his unproud wife.
It is a sad day in America when the press controls elections and in turn can control us with their twisted liberal views.
The press is suppose to hammer these people and bring out the best for America.
Instead they are trying to control what THEY THINK we need and need not know.
Pathetic.
July 28, 2008
8:31 AM
Anonymous writes:
I agree with JW.
However we will be more screwed if Obama wins.
July 28, 2008
8:57 AM
JW writes:
"However we will be more screwed if Obama wins."
Why? The majority of the electorate will still be a bunch of slack jawed retards. The majority of Americans will still be uneducated idiots. People will still be completely brainwashed by the bs we are seeing in this very thread.
Doesnt matter who wins, we're fucked because we are a nation of idiots.
July 28, 2008
9:26 AM
JMH writes:
Man, the NeoCons on this thread sure reek of fear!
Consperacy theories abound...
I love this: "However we will be more screwed if Obama wins."
Really? How? EVERYTHING IS FUCKED right NOW! Not one thing is better in America after 7 years of NeoCon control and you morons want us to belive your opinions? Sorry but if you voted for Bush twice, you have lost ALL credibilty when it comes to what YOU think is best for America...
What really upsets you NeoCons is the results. Most Americans aren't buying the BS about Obama (notice as well, Obama is runnning on ideas and policy, McCain is just running on attacking Obama), but Americans are looking at the "results" from 7 years of NeoCon policies here and abroad... and the results aren't pretty. I don't think I have to list them, but if you need me to, you are too stupid to see what is going on anyway!
As far as the election being close, I got news for you guys... one of the biggests overlooked factors in this election is the youth vote. Younger voters are more engaged than ever before and they aren't happy. Obama is winning this group (18-39) far and away... and oh, by the way they all have cell phones and most probably don't have a home phone. Thus, they don't answer polling questions. Mostly the people that answer polling questions are people with not much to do (ie. older Americans). This is supposed to be McCain's base and he isn't even winning with these guys. If the younger Americans, who will come out in force this year, were to be polled in proportion, I'm betting Omama is up by double digits easily! He is up by 9% right now!
July 28, 2008
2:07 PM
Hannibal Lecter writes:
The High Priest of HOPE-CHANGE is on a power trip to be the World's CEO.
Soros' puppet would actually suspend continued technological upgrades of equipment and systems for the military and have any new items subject to approval by a civilian review board. This was in some clip of a speech Obamessiah made that was on YouTube.
This chump is totally naive and dangerous.
Plus it IS amusing to hear him "uhm" and "ahh" about 300 times in a speech that is done in a town hall environment without his all powerful teleprompter. The emperor has no debate skills.
McLame will eat NObama's free lunch in the debates.
The truth is simple. McLame is not much better but compared to NObama, he is a better choice.
July 28, 2008
2:23 PM
jay writes:
"The truth is simple. McLame is not much better but compared to NObama, he is a better choice."
really?
which of mccain's policy stances do you favor over obama's, hannibal?
July 28, 2008
3:24 PM
KW writes:
"EVERYTHING IS FUCKED right NOW!" -jmh
With this outlook on life in general, how do you even manage the strength to get out of bed each morning?
I suggest you get into therapy... And fast!
July 28, 2008
5:03 PM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) Will the real Obama just concede and go back to Hawaii writes:
Obama has a far better chance of being elected Supreme Ruler of the World than he does of being elected President of the USA. Only someone who has permanent brain damage from the socialist totalitarian public education system could decide to vote for Obama. When the DNC looks like a sequel for Mad Max 2 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082694/ and people compare that to the order of the RNC, I think the game will be over. People are not looking for that sort of change. So when people are faced with a choice between assured implosion and a mediocre government, there is little doubt in my mind how the vote will go.
July 29, 2008
9:03 AM
JMH writes:
You know teh arguemen is over when teh NeoCon's start to bring up "socialism" and hoping for riots at the DNC (which will only happen in your wet dreams NeoCons)...
KW,
You are a moron... You know was talking about the state of the union today. Get therapy? Shit, I'm not the 3rd grader who is willing to put my hands over my eyes and just ignore that the USA is in bad shape due to NeoCon control for 7 years...
That's funny, someone who thinks Bush has done a good job thinking I am crazy... way too funny...