September 3, 2008 9:52 AM
How the religious right got back on board the GOP bandwagon
Six months ago, Focus on the Family leader James Dobson was holding his nose about the Republican ticket.
Today he's on board and one of the conductors of the Republican bandwagon, all because of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, reports David Montero.
While an unknown quantity to many Americans, Palin has been on Focus on the Family's radar since at least 2006.Kevin Clarkson, an Anchorage attorney who does work for the Alliance Defense Fund - loosely linked to Focus on the Family - knew of Palin's work dating back to 1998 when she supported Alaska's ballot measure outlawing gay marriage.
Focus Action, the political arm of Focus on the Family, helped with that campaign, though Palin at the time was mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, and may have only crossed paths with the group.
According to a recent Time magazine story, Palin turned the 1996 mayoral race into a partisan affair - injecting such issues as abortion into the race.
But it was when she beat Republican Gov. Frank Murkowski in the 2006 primary that Clarkson got a call from Focus on the Family asking him questions about the strength of her social conservative credentials.
The Nation's Max Blumenthal reports on a gathering of the secretive Council for National Policy at which many of the leaders of the Christian conservative movement were energized as they watched Palin deliver her speech when John McCain introduced her as his running mate.
CNP members have included Tony Perkins, James Dobson, Grover Norquist, Tim LaHaye and Paul Weyrich. At a secret 2000 meeting of the CNP, George W. Bush promised to nominate only pro-life judges; in 2004, then-Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist told the group, "The destiny of the nation is on the shoulders of the conservative movement." This year, thanks to Sarah Palin's selection, the movement may have finally aligned itself behind the campaign of John McCain.Though Dobson and Perkins reportedly attended the recent CNP meeting in Minneapolis, a full roster of guests would be nearly impossible to require. The CNP deliberately operates below the radar, going to excessive lengths to obscure its activities. According to official CNP policy, "The media should not know when or where we meet or who takes part in our programs before or after a meeting." Thus the CNP's Minneapolis gathering was free of reporters.
I learned of the get-together only through an online commentary by one of its attendees, top Dobson/Focus on the Family flack Tom Minnery. Minnery described the mood as CNP members watched Palin accept her selection as John McCain's Vice Presidential pick. "I was standing in the back of a ballroom filled with largely Republicans who were hoping against hope that something would put excitement back into this campaign," Minnery said. "And I have to tell you, that speech by Alaska Governor Sarah Palin -- people were on their seats applauding, cheering, yelling... That room in Minneapolis watching on the television screen was electrified. I have not seen anything like it in a long time."
September 3, 2008
10:21 AM
jay writes:
of course the american taliban are excited about one of their own being nominated for vp.
she shares their ignorant "feelings" on creationism, bigotry against gays, failed sex ed policies, the "voodoo" of stem cell research, counterproductive abortion policies and the "hoax" of global warming.
she is the perfect candidate with which to dog whistle for the fundamentalists supporting increased gov't intrusion because of their dogmatic beliefs in the supernatural.
mccain had no choice, considering he was consistently behind in the polling for months.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
September 3, 2008
10:41 AM
Observer writes:
Well, it wouldn't be a Wednesday on RTL if jay wasn't showing his bigotry and hatred for Christians, painting them all with a broad brush that should be saved for a relatively small percentage of twisted evangelicals.
Jay, was it that painful when you were dumped for a Christian? Therapy might help, as would medication.
September 3, 2008
10:47 AM
Shaggy writes:
The loony left are petrified of this women and for good reason.
She has more experience than Obama and the Democrats are going through buyers remorse withdrawals. They know Obama should have picked Hillary, actually they know that Hillary should have been the nominee but they are stuck with the weaker and least experienced candidate.
Both Hillary and Biden have said so.
I love it.
We will have our first female V.P. who should continue after McCains 8 years and become our first female President.
September 3, 2008
10:53 AM
JMH writes:
This just in...
what's her name... umm Palin... That's right...
Rumor is that Palin will cut the heart out of a live moose on stage tonight and eat it while it is still beating to prove her "Conservative creditials" to the rest of the racidal base! Should make for a good show...
...which is what they will need after that snooze-fest last night! I just can't wait for her to tell us how great those "absentice only" sex ed programs are working... haha...
As far as Focus on our Families (but pay no attention to their families) loving this pick, of course they do. The sheep are easily led! McCain wanted Lieberman, but of course he had to bow down to the "Ressuerrection junkies" who really run the GOP! See... McCain isn't even making the decisions in his own presifdential run, the radical religious right wing is... and they got what they wanted... a crazy radical who is totally out of the mainstream!
It comes down to this America... Do you want a change of direction or do you want radical religious zealots runnning this country for 4 more years? Just remember who got us to this dark point in American history! Religion ruled the Dark Ages too...
September 3, 2008
10:57 AM
JMH writes:
This just in...
what's her name... umm Palin... That's right...
Rumor is that Palin will cut the heart out of a live moose on stage tonight and eat it while it is still beating to prove her "Conservative creditials" to the rest of the racidal base! Should make for a good show...
...which is what they will need after that snooze-fest last night! I just can't wait for her to tell us how great those "absentice only" sex ed programs are working... haha...
As far as Focus on our Families (but pay no attention to their families) loving this pick, of course they do. The sheep are easily led! McCain wanted Lieberman, but of course he had to bow down to the "Ressuerrection junkies" who really run the GOP! See... McCain isn't even making the decisions in his own presifdential run, the radical religious right wing is... and they got what they wanted... a crazy radical who is totally out of the mainstream!
It comes down to this America... Do you want a change of direction or do you want radical religious zealots runnning this country for 4 more years? Just remember who got us to this dark point in American history! Religion ruled the Dark Ages too...
September 3, 2008
10:59 AM
Observer writes:
Shagster -
There is no way that a likely tranny with an alcoholic hubby and an illegitimate grandkid is going to get elected. What, do you know her husband from your AA meetings or something?
McCain shot himself in the foot with this choice.
September 3, 2008
11:09 AM
Shaggy writes:
Snnnniiiifffff, ah yes, I can smell the fear Sara is instilling in the loons.
Now I see, anyone who gets a DUI is an alcoholic.
I would gladly tilt a few back with him and talk about his wonderful wife.
I guess you would rather snort a few lines with Obama.
September 3, 2008
11:17 AM
Anonymous writes:
Poor wittle femdems, cant stand that they are going to lose yet another election. She's the object of the cultural disdain of a left that loves the working class in theory, but is mystified or offended by its lifestyle and conservative values in reality.
September 3, 2008
11:23 AM
jay writes:
observer, can you point out which part of my post you considered to be "bigotry"?
furthermore, the not all christians are members of the american taliban...so your "broad brush" strawman argument is as ridiculous as your ignorant charges of "bigotry".
remember kids...pointing out ignorance does not make one ignorant.
pointing out bigotry doesn't make on a bigot.
shaggy...just so there's no confusion...i disagree with palin on POLICY ISSUES...not whether or not she's a woman...or working class....or a beauty queen or whatever.
clear enough?
any questions?
September 3, 2008
11:41 AM
Shaggy writes:
I really don't care what you think or say jay, you are a liar and I have no reason to believe anything you say, besides it doesn't matter what her policies are to you, you are a blind partisian who votes strictly party lines or as far left as possible.
"jay writes:
i haven't really caught up on the news yet, but did i hear right that mcsame pick a person whose most tenured experience is being the beauty queen mayor of an alaskan town half the size of windsor?"
Looks like I caught you in another lie jay, you are pathetic.
September 3, 2008
11:43 AM
None writes:
Um, Jay? Your post is not only bigoted and ignorant, but completely pointless.
September 3, 2008
11:49 AM
jay writes:
that was a question, shaggy, not a statement.
you've provided no proof whatsoever to back up your conspiracy theories about my "lies"...still waiting on you to do that.
none....which part of my post was "bigoted"? which part was "ignorant"?
September 3, 2008
12:18 PM
Shaggy writes:
No questions about it jay, you are a proven pathetic liar.
September 3, 2008
12:21 PM
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September 3, 2008
12:58 PM
jay writes:
shaggy...you are more than welcome to believe in your conspiracy theories about my "lying"...but until you can provide ONE example of such behavior...you remain a far right wing conspiracy theorist.
now...instead of pouting and lying...why don't you try to refute my points?
September 3, 2008
1:04 PM
ML writes:
Ummm, Shaggy, for you to call someone else a "...blind partisan who votes strictly party lines" is just a little bit of the pot calling the kettle black...don't ya' think?
September 3, 2008
1:15 PM
history buff writes:
What I noticed during the DNC was that the Dems communicated very effectively with images. I thought many of the commentators missed the effectiveness of the convention because they were concentrating on the word.
Last night, I thought the RNC was much less image and much more word oriented. Fred Thompson's speech was very good, but he kept coughing and his recitation of the facts of John McCain's life at the Hanoi Hilton was rather dry. Even the documentaries about TR, RR and Bush I thought were rather low key.
It will be interesting to see how Sarah Palin communicates with the American public. She is such a blank slate, this speech will carry a very profound first impression. It is being written for her, so she will have to go beyond the mere delivery to make a good impression. Will she create an image that is favorable beyond the 29 per centers in the audience?
There are only eight weeks to the election. There is the possibility that Ms. Palin could take the nation by storm and become -- GASP! -- a celebrity. An American Idol. An Alaskan Princess. The shot of youth needed by the aging party. Or will she be something else? An extremist. A pretender.
I plan to watch.
September 3, 2008
1:17 PM
Shaggy writes:
A hurricane is going to hit the RNC in St.Paul tonight.
Her name is called Sara Palin.
No ML, I do not vote party lines I vote most qualified. If the democrats ever produced someone more qualified than a Republican I would vote for them. algore, John Kerry and Obama? give me a break
September 3, 2008
1:44 PM
40acresandmymuleandNAMvetbennies writes:
Shaggy, it seems to me you like those RNC Convention attendess: NAM draftdodgers, commie-siders, Homongers, men's restroom enthusiasts, LBJ war profiteers, war criminal, etc. Ooops! My bad! Voter frauders like John "fossilized-felon" McBush. McBush accepted a $112K bribe from Charles Keatign (bank robber). Bye,bye, Black Cong. Jefferson who also took a $90K bribe.
September 3, 2008
1:46 PM
40acresandmymuleandNAMvetbennies writes:
Shaggy, it seems to me you like those RNC Convention attendess: NAM draftdodgers, commie-siders, Homongers, men's restroom enthusiasts, LBJ war profiteers, war criminal, etc. Ooops! My bad! Voter frauders like John "fossilized-felon" McBush. McBush accepted a $112K bribe from Charles Keatign (bank robber). Bye,bye, Black Cong. Jefferson who also took a $90K bribe.
September 3, 2008
1:47 PM
Matt writes:
"How the religious right got back on board the GOP bandwagon"
I doubt we'll ever see a thread about how militant gays and lesbians, Islamic terrorists sympathizers, domestic terrorists sympathizers (Bill Ayers), the leftists pedophile advocates NAMBLA, race superiority groups like the Black Panthers and La Raza, all flavors of communists, leftists environmental terror groups like ELF and USA haters in general are all on the Democratic Party bandwagon.
I forgot to mention the huge chunk of Democrats that are also religious. It's not surprising that a leftist idiot like Jay can ignore that and then equate the ones who lean Republican to the Taliban because they don't vote like he does. Anybody who's not on the leftist's plantation can expect the same treatment.
September 3, 2008
2:04 PM
ML writes:
Now who's the liar, Shaggy? You have admitted on these posts before that you have never voted anything other than straight Repub. You're busted...and you're a hypocrite!
September 3, 2008
2:17 PM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) Sarah Palin the first woman VP writes:
Jay,
What do you think of this?
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=74123
I think there is far more documented bigotry on the left than there is on the right, and I don't even need to include the extremes on either side.
September 3, 2008
2:21 PM
Shaggy writes:
Back it up ML!!
Show me the post where I said I have never voted anything but Repub.
You can't because I have never said that.
Please don't become a pathetic liar like jayhole.
Please include the date and post as I know how Liberals operate and fabricate.
September 3, 2008
2:34 PM
ML writes:
There used to be a link at the bottom of the page to older posts, but it is no longer there. In any event, it was just a couple of weeks ago when you Shaggy called someone a partisan hack. I called you out for that, asking if you had ever voted anything other than straight repub. You responded at that time that since the Democrats had NEVER put up anybody worth voting for, you had not. Remember that, or are you getting senile like your hero, McSame?
September 3, 2008
2:37 PM
am 760 writes:
The sheeple have been told who they can vote for now by their puppet master. Jesus would be proud of you.
September 3, 2008
2:40 PM
jay writes:
hogar, of course there is bigotry on both the left and right...my point is that i haven't posted bigoted remarks.
September 3, 2008
2:52 PM
Shaggy writes:
I reiterate ML, if the Democrats put someone on a ticket that I feel is more qualified than what the Republicans put up I would vote that ticket.
I am a registered Republican right now but will soon be changing that to Independent because I don't like the way some issues have been handled such as the Border and illegal immigration.
Sure you have jay, you said something to the extent that illegals deserve our help more than the Iraqis do. I would call that bigoted.
September 3, 2008
3:00 PM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) Clinging to religion, guns and the rest of the Constitution writes:
Jay,
A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own.
By that definition your original post displays bigotry, but certainly not more than I would call ordinary.
I like to draw the distinction between thoughts and words of bigotry and actions of bigotry. Certainly bigotry based on gender, national origin, race and other unchangeable attributes should not be the basis of legitimate bigotry.
Differentiating between lifestyles, culture, opinions is normal and necessary, but should not be accompanied by vilification or any physical actions.
I have a constitutional right to protect traditional marriage through law. I don't need to try to change the behavior of homosexuals in order to do that. I am not a bigot just because I have a difference of opinion on what constitutes a marriage recognized by our legal system.
September 3, 2008
3:06 PM
ML writes:
So I guess that means you remember your own statement, Shaggy? Can we agree to at least stop calling other people partisan hacks?
September 3, 2008
3:17 PM
Shaggy writes:
To tell you the truth ML, I don't ever remember calling you a partisian hack, I believe I was referencing jayhole because jayhole is a partisian hack.
September 3, 2008
3:26 PM
dragorcv writes:
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
September 3, 2008
3:39 PM
Tbone writes:
Wow. Who could have ever predicted that James Dobson would vote for a republican?
NO MORE CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISTS IN THE WHITE HOUSE. Period.
We need the best available science and technology guiding our policy decisions - not a 2000 year old book of myths.
September 3, 2008
3:47 PM
ANON 1 writes:
* * * * * *
Matt writes:
I doubt we'll ever see a thread about how militant gays and lesbians, Islamic terrorists sympathizers, domestic terrorists sympathizers (Bill Ayers), the leftists pedophile advocates NAMBLA, race superiority groups like the Black Panthers and La Raza, all flavors of communists, leftists environmental terror groups like ELF and USA haters in general are all on the Democratic Party bandwagon.
* * * * *
I doubt we ever will -- because THEY NEVER LEFT IT!
Consistency is not NEWS!
September 3, 2008
3:47 PM
liberal writes:
"NO MORE CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISTS IN THE WHITE HOUSE. Period"
Unless it's a Marxist and the church they came from is rabidly racist, then it's ok.
September 3, 2008
4:01 PM
jay writes:
"By that definition your original post displays bigotry"
as we've established many times over, hogar.
being intolerant of bigotry does not make one a bigot.
being against equal rights for any american...is bigotry.
are we clear there?
any questions?
September 3, 2008
4:11 PM
Honest John writes:
"Cloudy system funded Palin; $4,500 accepted from illegal Alaska scheme
By Matt Apuzzo
Associated Press
Wednesday, September 3, 2008
WASHINGTON -- GOP vice presidential pick Sarah Palin accepted at least $4,500 in campaign contributions in the same fundraising scheme at the center of a public corruption scandal that led to the indictment of Sen. Ted Stevens"
http: //www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/sep/03/cloudy-system-funded-palin/?partner=RSS
OH yeah This is just tooo funny
September 3, 2008
4:17 PM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) Doing the right thing always matters writes:
Jay,
You make very broad statements regarding the bigotry of Christians. Those statements do not stand up to a fair look at the facts. You do not agree with the Christian world view and make the disconnected leap to label them bigots.
Using your analogy, Christians aren't bigots, they are simply exposing the bigotry of the gays, liberals etc.
September 3, 2008
4:30 PM
jay writes:
nope, hogar, i made a very specific statement about the bigotry some christians have.
one more time.
if you are against equal rights for all americans, you're a bigot.
that statement stands up very well.
again...any questions about that?
September 3, 2008
4:42 PM
Kevin J Jones writes:
It's unclear whether the conservative Evangelical leaders really considered a break with the GOP over a McCain candidacy, or if they had to appear that way to get him to tilt their way on a few issues. But they're still losing.
Let's note that with McCain-Palin, they've gotten on-board with a ticket whose members have supportsed same-sex domestic partnerships. This further normalizes what the "Religious Right" rightly opposes. What's more, domestic partnership law has served as a precedent for activist judges to instate same-sex marriage in California.
Further, none of the pro-lifers I've read are saying a word of criticism about the daughter and her boyfriend's dalliance. They're so scared of encouraging anybody to an abortion that they'll remain silent about the lesser vice of teen fornication. Or maybe they're quiet because they're so desperate for approval or political influence. This marks yet a further compromise.
Finally, for all the "sanctity of marriage" rhetoric, few social conservatives are noting that Palin's daughter and her boyfriend are facing significant pressure to become engaged and married. One or both of them might feel unduly obligated to marry because of the pregnancy, or because of its effects on Gov. Palin's career.
"Shotgun weddings" are just asking to be annulled.
While I certainly wish them the best if they are freely marrying, I hope they are allowed to break off the engagement if they so wish, at least after the November election.
Many of the media and left-wing attacks on Palin are hideous, ungentlemanly, and barbaric. Their double-standard is clear, and that's helping rally the demoralized GOP base. If McCain intended this outcome, he's smarter than I thought.
September 3, 2008
5:13 PM
Anonymous writes:
nobody's got a problem with 'equal' rights for all Americans ... lots of folks got problems with 'special' rights for some Americans
for example, gays like to say they need to be married because they can't make decisions of a medical nature for loved ones .... bullshit with a capital B ... it's called a medical power of attorney and a living will ... JUST LIKE HET COUPLES NEED
another example, gays like to say they need to be married to make financial decisions for loved ones .... (you guessed it) bullshit with a capital B .... it's called being listed as joint on the account, the named survivor, etc. .... JUST LIKE HET COUPLES NEED
one more, gays like to say they need to be married for property to pass from one to the other in the event of death .... (one more time) bullshit with a capital B .... it's called filing as Tenants in Common or Joint Tenancy with Right of Survivorship .... and in some states it can require extra paperwork but it's mostly JUST LIKE HET COUPLES NEED
look, I don't have a problem with gays as long as they leave me alone ... but they're not after 'equal rights' ... they are after being accepted and having their way of life accepted as a part of 'mainstream' and 'normal' people ... and the majority of Americans ARE NEVER going to accept their ways regardless of political affiliation and/or theological view ... you think it's ok? .... great for you, but you're in the minority .... get on to looking at truly meaningful things about the election, like the economy, energy issues, and the war
September 3, 2008
5:53 PM
Ben-Not really into organized religion writes:
I'll take Focus on the Family over a left wing, Marxist secularists any day of the week.
September 3, 2008
9:04 PM
leftside writes:
If focus on the family leader Dobson supports Palin then that should tell every woman with a lick of sense to stay away from her, and they will.
September 4, 2008
12:42 PM
jay writes:
"lots of folks got problems with 'special' rights for some Americans"
we've debunked this far right wing myth many times over, cruton, but i guess we can go over it again if you like.
getting married isn't a "special" right.
why do you believe it to be a right preserved only for a man and a woman?
benny, what have i told you about your marxism boogeyman stories?
not gonna fly.
take that crap to the board at rushlimbaugh.com
September 4, 2008
3:50 PM
me2 writes:
Anonymous, thank you for printing, three times wow, the definitive example of bigotry.
So you equate people wanting rights, those you call special rights, with them being able to force you to accept their life.
Rights=acceptance. There it is in a nutshell (pun intended). If gays have the same rights as you because of the law, you are then forced to put a stamp of approval on them. So you see this as a zero sum game where gains for gays cancels out some right for you. Thank you for making it so plain, though I don't suppose you ever intended to do so.
Well guess what sugar, you are not that special. Gays will get their same rights eventually, people like you notwithstanding.
Jay, keep fighting the good fight, you are a delight to read.
September 4, 2008
3:57 PM
me2 writes:
Anonymous, thank you for making it clear that equal rights, which you call special rights, for gays means that you personally must put your stamp of approval on them.
I have waited years to have a bigot make this point so clearly. So here it is in simpler form.
Gays up, anonymous down. A perfect example of a zero sum game.
Obviously giving gays equal rights will take something away from you. But you have put it clear enough for a child to see that in order to be secure in your bigotry, gays must be less equal.
Thank you, thank you dear for your public service.
September 4, 2008
3:57 PM
me2 writes:
Anonymous, thank you for making it clear that equal rights, which you call special rights, for gays means that you personally must put your stamp of approval on them.
I have waited years to have a bigot make this point so clearly. So here it is in simpler form.
Gays up, anonymous down. A perfect example of a zero sum game.
Obviously giving gays equal rights will take something away from you. But you have put it clear enough for a child to see that in order to be secure in your bigotry, gays must be less equal.
Thank you, thank you dear for your public service.
September 4, 2008
4:13 PM
Vast Majority of Coloradans writes:
jay/me2 - Sorry, but two years ago we spoke in an overwhelming voice that marriage for gays IS a special right, one that we felt so strongly about that we voted to amend the state constitution for.
You want gay marriage, move to Mass or Cal.
Thanks for playing there kids.
September 4, 2008
7:24 PM
Hogar De Vuelta (العودة) Christians are not bigots writes:
jay,
bigot: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.
Christians believe what the bible says regarding homosexuality and all other sins. MOST do not hate sinners because they are sinners. MOST are not intolerant, but that does not mean that they will promote sin or give special priveleges to those who promote sin. That is not bigotry, but I see a lot of bigotry toward Christians and conservatives on this blog.
September 8, 2008
2:48 PM
Titus writes:
I always suspected that the Illuminati was a Christian group. And how un-surprising that the Rev. Moon and drug kingpin Ollie North are part of this.
September 8, 2008
2:50 PM
Titus writes:
I always suspected that the Illuminati was a Christian group. And how un-surprising that the Rev. Moon and drug kingpin Ollie North are part of this.
September 10, 2008
9:25 AM
Terpsichore writes:
Anonymous above is actually pretty smart - notice he says (in caps, but I won't yell it at you) "...just like het couples need".
Notice he didn't say het 'married' couples.
Also he says "need".
I won't argue that it is prudent for every couple to have the legal stuff Anon. mentions, but the fact is, most of those are automatically conferred upon mariage. He also does not really address death. In a married couple, estate automatically goes to the spouse (in most states). It may may take awhile to get the death certificate around to the bank etc. etc., and having a living will and power of attorney does make it easier, but a het 'married' couple doesn't actually need it. A het 'unmarried' couple still does.
So as far as I can see, it is heterosexual 'married' couples who are getting all the benefits.
Obviously, the fairest thing to do is to rewrite all laws so that they do not favor anyone just because of their marital status, including tax laws. We are all born as individuals, if we later choose to get into any relationship with shared ownerships and do not fill out the paperwork for our own legal protections, that's one thing. But if this group of 'married' people is getting special benefits automatically, just by getting married (such as not having to fill out all that paperwork which may require the $ervices of a lawyer to be considered legal and which will almost certainly have to be signed by a notary, which will take time, trouble, and $), and if the status of 'marriage' is resticted to a narrow definition of people involved in such economic relationships, well then, that sounds unfair to me.