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October 16, 2008 8:15 AM

Who won the final Presidential debate?

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John McCain and Barack Obama sat down with CBS' Bob Schiefer for the third and final debate of the Presidential campaign.

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John McCain and Barack Obama sat down with CBS' Bob Schiefer for the third and final debate of the Presidential campaign.

Rocky columnist Mike Littwin, who writes that McCain's opportunity went down the drain and political reporter M.E. Sprengelmeyer, will be online at 11 a.m. to discuss the debate.

E-mail questions/comments in advance and join the chat here at 11.

Instant post-debate polls showed Obama the winner - not counting Joe the Plumber, who became the centerpiece of a tax debate.

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Who won the debate? Will the debate influence your vote? And who plays Joe the Plumber in the made-for-TV movie?



Discussion

  • October 15, 2008

    7:49 PM

    W Jones writes:

    Obama is being more direct and specific, and focusing on points IMPORTANT TO US, unlike McCain, who's trying out nonsense strategic "shoot-him-down" tactics. I've finally made up my mind: I'm voting for the smarter, more decent, more aware, more CAPABLE candidate: Mr. Barack Obama. Mr. Obama, please don't make me sorry. But yes, you've proven you should be given the job.

  • October 15, 2008

    8:06 PM

    Meg writes:

    Obama clearly has the intellect, the specific plans as well as the judgment and character to best do the job. He has my vote 100% and I am excited for him to be our next president.

    I have to say that McCain's constant negative attacks as well as his lack of specifics definitely pushed me over the edge towards Obama.

  • October 15, 2008

    8:09 PM

    JimmyTheSaint writes:

    So the way we can reduce the percentage of dependence on foreign oil is to "stem the flow of illegal drugs killing our children"?

    This doddering old fool is the best my party come up with as a nominee? I'm embarrassed. And although Lincoln would hardly recognize his party anymore, I'm pretty sure he's spinning in his grave right now.

  • October 15, 2008

    8:10 PM

    sd writes:

    Obama is winning hands down, McCain has brought up issues which are non issues and Obama has successfully rebuked the charges and turned the discussion back onto the main issue at hand - domestic policy. Also, in terms of answering the question - Obama is doing a better job, as compared to John McCain who can't resist going back to "Joe the Plumber". The good news is, I'm hearing a lot less talk about "Mavericks" or "Reformer"

  • October 15, 2008

    8:19 PM

    SJ writes:

    Obama is the winner for tonight's debate....HAND'S DOWN!!!! McCain is only focused on bringing Obama down...his facial expressions are so weird!!!! LOL
    He looks very very uncomfortable around Obama. On the contrary, Obama is very calm and composed and is actually talking about the issues that people are really worried about during these difficult times. GO OBAMA!!!!! :)

  • October 15, 2008

    8:20 PM

    rhonda writes:

    Obama is speechless when McCain brought up his ties to Ayers and ACORN. Busted. Go McCain! He has our votes 100%.

  • October 15, 2008

    8:21 PM

    SJ writes:

    Obama is the winner for tonight's debate....HAND'S DOWN!!!! McCain is only focused on bringing Obama down...his facial expressions are so weird!!!! LOL
    He looks very very uncomfortable around Obama. On the contrary, Obama is very calm and composed and is actually talking about the issues that people are really worried about during these difficult times. GO OBAMA!!!!! :)

  • October 15, 2008

    8:31 PM

    Voter writes:

    OBAMA! OBAMA!! OBAMA!!!

  • October 15, 2008

    8:38 PM

    Mantra writes:

    McCain looked like a grumpy old Grandpa!!!! He has such a difficult time holding onto his anger....he was mad angry...

    OBAMA ROCKED!!!!! HE SCORED WELL ON HEALTHCARE AND EDUCATION!! HE CONNECTED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!!

  • October 15, 2008

    8:54 PM

    alicia writes:

    Rhonda:
    "Obama is speechless when McCain brought up his ties to Ayers and ACORN. Busted. Go McCain! He has our votes 100%."

    Fantasy world, Rhonda. Obama wasn't speechless -- he completely debunked McCain. You, like McCain and Palin, are lying.

  • October 15, 2008

    8:57 PM

    Me Too writes:

    Obama specified his plans. McCain could only repeat his scripted speeches even when Obama pointed out their flaws and mistakes. Obama was able to discuss matters clearly and would even make concessions to his oponent on points he agreed with, while McCain only got flustered and obdurate. Seriously, wouldn't you rather have a leader who can have discussions in an intelligent and calm manner than a flustered old man who gets jittery and has to call his oponent "that one" because he can't remember his name?

  • October 15, 2008

    9:10 PM

    benn writes:

    I only tuned in when they hit healthcare.

    I thought Obama dismantled McCain on Healthcare and Education, leaving McCain grasping for his talking points.

    Obama clearly looked uncomfortable discussing Abortion. It was obviously an issue that he didn't want popping up 3 weeks away from the election.

    Personality-wise, McCain looked desperate, angry, stubborn, and deceitful.

    Obama was cool and composed, with clear plans that he explained in depth.

  • October 15, 2008

    9:17 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    Obam has won the third Presidential debate.

  • October 15, 2008

    9:18 PM

    KING writes:

    Bob Barr

  • October 15, 2008

    9:31 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    hehehe..look at all the loons squawking victory.

    Osbama got exposed for the radical he truly is.

  • October 15, 2008

    9:31 PM

    40acresandmymuleandNAMvetbennies writes:

    Sad. Gutless wonders! Another Black politician passed on an opportunity to call John "fossilized-felon" McCain, on him being a felon, coupled with his voter-fraud. McBush accepted a $112K brib from Charles Keating. Keating went to jail. McShame should be Keatings sweetheart or cellmate. Maybe the Dixiecrats are planning an ad for release near 11/4, to nail this racist POS.

  • October 15, 2008

    9:36 PM

    John writes:

    "Obama clearly looked uncomfortable discussing Abortion. It was obviously an issue that he didn't want popping up 3 weeks away from the election."

    Actually McCain blew it here. talking about it irregardless of the health of the mom.
    Chris Mathews said he just lost the independent female vote.

  • October 15, 2008

    9:37 PM

    LetsThink writes:

    Senator Obama is very skilled at dodging the questions that Americans need (and deserve) to have anwered.

    But with his skill and rhetoric, I'm doubtful that the gullible public will be able to see through the smoke to the truth.

    And that deeply concerns me, for the future of America.

  • October 15, 2008

    9:44 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    Lets Think is very skilled at not hearing the answers that Americans need to have answered.

    Im am sure that the public is able to see the truth that McCain is no different than W.

    To think Lets think can vote deeply conerns me for the future of America

  • October 15, 2008

    9:47 PM

    Done Deal writes:

    Fifty-three percent of the uncommitted voters surveyed identified Democratic nominee Barack Obama as the winner of tonight's debate. Twenty-two percent said Republican rival John McCain won. Twenty-five percent saw the debate as a draw

    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/15/politics/horserace/entry4525171.shtml

  • October 15, 2008

    9:53 PM

    Casey writes:

    Visually speaking, McCain just had a very major Nixon night... too many huffs, puffs, sighs, glowers, blinking, whistling teeth, interrupting moments.

    And WAY too many tongue juts, ew.

    Then there are the actual answers and accusations. Pathetic.

    I can't WAIT until Obama wins and we move this country on and past the era of tinkel-down reaganomics and start building this nation back up, from the bottom up.

    There's nothing wrong with SPENDING. As long as you do it on the right things -- like alternative energy, green jobs, education, healthcare -- and NOT wars for oil and ego.

    THAT ONE won.

    Casey

  • October 15, 2008

    10:10 PM

    Badger writes:

    It's worthless to ask this question to anyone other than an undecided voter.

  • October 15, 2008

    11:42 PM

    LindaB writes:

    Rhonda, not speechless, restrained. I was glad when he finally let McCain have the "straight talk" about Ayers. BTW, did you know that Annenberg, a funder of Ayers' programs, is also a funder and supporter of the McCain campaign? so, by mccain logic, Mr. annenberg is linked (in real time, not 10 years ago) to Ayers, so Annenberg, the McCain supporter MUST BE A TERRORIST.

    Rhonda, do you now realize that this is all cr*p cooked up by the McCain campaign voodoo drs?

  • October 15, 2008

    11:56 PM

    Rigg writes:

    Obama: Lied, diverted the topic.
    McCain: Indignant that Obama would lie outright.

    What will be the analysis? Obama wins because, honestly, the viewers don't research.

    Obama lied about connections to Ayers. Claimed Ayers never held a campaign party for Obama at Ayers' house, which he lied. Stated only met Ayers during the Chicago Annenberg Challenge: Lie, he completely ignored the Woods Project.
    Lied that he did not vote against the bill that would require medical support to a fetus that survives an induced abortion. His four 'Nays' say otherwise.

    Lied about NAFTA. Does not want to remove the restrictions and costs for American businesses to export American products into foreign countries. This is a factor as why the U.S. has such a large trade deficit.

    Lied that he would not tax, Joe the plumber and his business. LIED AGAIN that he did not state he thinks it's a good idea to tax struggling businesses to rebate to struggling individuals.

    States with nuance that it's the goal of the president to appoint Supreme Court justices to dictate through courts the presidents (or partys) idealogy. Well, there goes the American checks & balances system, having the Judicial system work in favor of the Executive.

    I am honestly asking, do I really have to go on? Or do the debate viewers not care about facts, just whether or not McCain blinked too many times.

  • October 16, 2008

    12:01 AM

    Rigg writes:

    Obama: Lied, diverted the topic.
    McCain: Indignant that Obama would lie outright.

    What will be the analysis? Obama wins because, honestly, the viewers don't research.

    Obama lied about connections to Ayers. Claimed Ayers never held a campaign party for Obama at Ayers' house, which he lied. Stated only met Ayers during the Chicago Annenberg Challenge: Lie, he completely ignored the Woods Project.
    Lied that he did not vote against the bill that would require medical support to a fetus that survives an induced abortion. His four 'Nays' say otherwise.

    Lied about NAFTA. Does not want to remove the restrictions and costs for American businesses to export American products into foreign countries. This is a factor as why the U.S. has such a large trade deficit.

    Lied that he would not tax, Joe the plumber and his business. LIED AGAIN that he did not state he thinks it's a good idea to tax struggling businesses to rebate to struggling individuals.

    States with nuance that it's the goal of the president to appoint Supreme Court justices to dictate through courts the presidents (or partys) idealogy. Well, there goes the American checks & balances system, having the Judicial system work in favor of the Executive.

    I am honestly asking, do I really have to go on? Or do the debate viewers not care about facts, just whether or not McCain blinked too many times.

  • October 16, 2008

    12:21 AM

    Rigg writes:

    LindaB writes: "BTW, did you know that Annenberg, a funder of Ayers' programs, is also a funder and supporter of the McCain campaign?"
    * * How do you even think that is possible, given that the Chicago Annenberg Challenge has been defunct for over 6 years.

    "so, by mccain logic, Mr. annenberg is linked (in real time, not 10 years ago) to Ayers, so Annenberg, the McCain supporter MUST BE A TERRORIST."

    * * MISTER Annenberg? Now I know you are fully uneducated and stuffed full of making up stuff.

    "do you now realize that this is all cr*p cooked up by the McCain campaign voodoo drs?"

    * * http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=315395039&blogID=437454264
    "Voodoo huh? Denial is the a refuge to the blind followers.

  • October 16, 2008

    12:34 AM

    Rigg writes:

    benn writes: "I only tuned in when they hit healthcare. I thought Obama dismantled McCain on Healthcare and Education, leaving McCain grasping for his talking points."

    * * Oh the restrictions Obama supporter against citizens healthcare insurance choice? The taxing of the American public in order to pool the money into a government fund, to be dispersed only by the government, into plans that only the government chooses for you? Or maybe the fact he feels it's a requirement that businesses should be fined for not providing healthcare and the lie he stated that it does not apply to 'small' businesses.

    For education, the only difference beyond Obama agreeing with McCain was that Obama believes throwing more funds at school districts is an improvement. McCain clearly showed
    this is a proven fallacy. OH, need I mention Obama's stint in 'helping schools' was the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC)?. He had direct control of grants totalling $60 million dollars. The total amount CAC spent was $198 million. The research arm of the CAC even admits that the program DID NOTHING in improving, for a small example; truancy, grades or basic educational requirements? And you feel CONFIDENT he'll be effective? Can you be so naive?

    "Personality-wise, McCain looked desperate, angry, stubborn, and deceitful.Obama was cool and composed, with clear plans that he explained in depth."
    * * Meaningless. Joseph Stalin matches your criteria too. Smooth talking, lying, socialist... how nice.

  • October 16, 2008

    2:09 AM

    sTEVE writes:

    JOHN MCCAIN WAS BORN IN PANAMA ON A UNITED STATES MILITARY BASE TO AMERICAN PARENTS. THAT MAKES HIM A NATURAL BORN AMERICAN CITIZEN!!!!!!!!!!! IF YOU ARE BORN IN ANOTHER COUNTRY TO AMERICAN PARENTS AND ON A UNITED STATES MILITARY BASE YOU ARE A NATURAL BORN AMERICAN CITIZEN!!! HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO POUND THAT INTO YOUR HEAD!!!!!!!!!!

    OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII AND HIS MOTHER WAS AN AMERICAN, BUT HE WAS ADOPTED BY HER SECOND HUSBAND WHO WAS A CITIZEN ON INDONESIA SO THAT MAKES HIM A CITIZEN OF INDONESIA. THAT CHANGES HIS CITIZENSHIP. CAN YOU GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK LITTLE PEA BRAINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DID ANY OF YOU GO TO SCHOOL AND LEARN ANYTHING??????????????

    OBAMA MAKES EXCUSES FOR EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE HE HAS EVER KNOWN. HE IS A LIAR AND IF HE IS PRESIDENT WE WILL END UP IN A SOCIALIST RUN COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!

    Say it again and LOUD!!!!!!

  • October 16, 2008

    4:30 AM

    ML writes:

    Once again, McSame was not wearing a flag pin. According to our own resident Shagster, that must mean he is not a patriot and does not love his country.

  • October 16, 2008

    6:00 AM

    Slim Jim writes:

    Obama wins

    Game Set
    Match

    2:1 margin

    McCain's only hope is to get more ads on TV

    heres a great idea to get free ads

    be a spokesman for Prozac

  • October 16, 2008

    7:38 AM

    DR writes:

    As I've mentioned before, I grew up in Phoenix not 70 feet from McCain's house. I know him to be an honorable and good man. But he looked somewhat desperate, and at times even lost last night.

    I also grew weary of the attacks instead of talking specifics, and that's where I think McCain lost all three debates. I'm not interested in hearing what the other guy did or didn't do, I want each to tell me what you will do, and Obama did that.

  • October 16, 2008

    7:47 AM

    Used like John McCain writes:

    For our Right buddies who need to wake up:

    LOTS and Lots of lies

    http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1842030,00.html

    "a consensus that ranges from practitioners like Karl Rove to commentators like, well, me — that John McCain has allowed his campaign to slip the normal bounds of political propriety"

    "The McCain camp has decided that its candidate can't win honorably, on the issues, so it has resorted to transparent and phony diversions."

    " The Wall Street collapse demands a more sober campaign as well. But these dreadful weeks should not be forgotten. John McCain has raised serious questions about whether he has the character to lead the nation. He has defaced his beloved military code of honor. He has run a dirty campaign. "

    John McCain is a very desperate man

  • October 16, 2008

    8:14 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    Rigg writes:

    "States with nuance that it's the goal of the president to appoint Supreme Court justices to dictate through courts the presidents (or partys) idealogy. Well, there goes the American checks & balances system, having the Judicial system work in favor of the Executive."

    oh, really? have you only recently been paying any sort of attention? wow, i thought that this simple fact would have been obvious to ANYBODY with a modicum of intelligence by now.... THEY ALL DO THAT!! does the name harriet myers ring a bell? gawd, the list is so incredibly long and i don't have the time to come up with it right now cause i have to get ready for work, but do a little research on how many supreme court nominees have been approved (or even the ones who haven't) over the last 50 yrs or so, and tell me that ANY ONE of them would have gotten the job without some sort of ties to the POTUS and his ideologies. just the fact that the POTUS gets to nominate them makes it obvious. that's why they fight about it in congress afterward. SHEESH!

    pay attention, rigg!

  • October 16, 2008

    8:17 AM

    TellItLikeItIs writes:

    None of the debates has had a clear winner or looser. The sad thing is, we are loosing by having to choose between these two candidates. Neither is worthy of the position.

    All I have heard are attempts at mud slinging, evading the issues, finger pointing regarding who is to blame for our problems and no one is stepping up and saying anything that seriously addresses the issues so that the American people can really understand the plan.

    Someone has to pay for this mess, and for either candidate to say it isn't going to be us is just plain rediculous. So, I don't trust either of them.

  • October 16, 2008

    8:32 AM

    Blogger writes:

    yo, TellIt, you want to know what there plans are in specifics, go to their individual websites and look up the info.... and between you and me, Obama did get into specifics and McCain went on attack and did the finger-pointing.... go back and replay it on tivo and you'll see

  • October 16, 2008

    8:39 AM

    Shaggy writes:

    It will be just a matter of time before Obamas other radical friend, the racist Rev. Wright, will peer his ugly mug.
    He has to feel left out that he wasn't brought up last night.
    He is as narcistic as Obama and can't stand to be out of the spotlight for long.
    Isn't he suppose to go on tour pimping out his new book?


    Obama's many lies are coming back to roost.

  • October 16, 2008

    8:40 AM

    60s4ever writes:

    You can easily tell who graduated at the top of his class at Harvard and who graduated near the bottom.

  • October 16, 2008

    8:57 AM

    Charles writes:

    I think that Obama should have explained NAFTA better; I have questions about that. Ayers is just an issue to toss smoke on the stage; there were 3 major Republicans on that committee and co-chaired with Ayers. Does that make the Republican party co-bomb throwers in the 60's?

    Bush pushed tax cuts and we now have the largest debts in history. But put into perspective, they are no larger a portion of GDP than any earlier. The real issue is given the melt down (which both parties are responsible for), that is going to change rapidly.

    The tax cuts in this environment is the issue. If they are continued, then the debt will only escalate dramatically particularly as the wars are really exacerbating the situation. McCain is totally behind pushing these wars.

    What I saw in last night's debate was someone who is angry. I do not know why McCain is so angry; apparently, he has been his entire life. But anger leads to some really bad choices. He has basically supported Bush 95% of the time. McCain is not the sharpest tool in the shed (895 out of 890 or there abouts). He voted against Bush only when it ran against his personal experience.

    Sorry, but a lot of things that happen in the world need thought, not personal experience in order to be resolved. Things like seeing what happens when jobs disappear. McCain has lived a privledged life. He got his appointment to one of the most exclusive schools in the world not because of ability but because of his dad's and grandad's connections. He got his political office due to his connections.

    McCain just falls short....too angry....too mean.

  • October 16, 2008

    9:21 AM

    Shaggy writes:

    Looks like the Obama groupies new marching orders are to call John McCain a grumpy old man because he kicked the little plastic messiahs arse last night.
    I actually thought Obama was going to cry.

    Obama keeps saying what he will do but when you actually look at his record he hasn't done anything and his voting record shows he has never taken an objectionable stance on any issue that goes against his party.


  • October 16, 2008

    9:25 AM

    SASQUATCH writes:

    BRENT AT $68.25

    53% BELOW ITS RECENT HIGH AND GETTING BACK D TO THE LEVELS WHEN HARRY REID AND NANCY PELOSI TOOK OVER!

    R.P. RITTER'S "NEW ENERGY ECONOMY" AS CRUDE IS NOW AS CHEAP AS BOTTLED WATER---WHO NEEDS INEFFICIENT, UNRELIABLE AND UNECONOMIC WINDMILLS AND SOLAR PANNELS? YOU CAN'T DRINK IT AND YOU CAN'T PUT IT IN YOUR TANK! I CAN JUST IMAGINE ALL THE JUNK YARDS FULL OF THAT SCRAP METAL BY NOVEMBER.

  • October 16, 2008

    9:33 AM

    JMH - Mr. BAM BAM to the NeoCons writes:

    Best line of the night: "Senator McCain, the fact that we are even talking about Bill Ayers says more about your campaign than it does about me!" - Barack Obama

    Amen brother!

    Is it just me or did Obama almost seem eager to confront this "Bill Ayers" nonsense? You knew McCain would fall into this trap. With one sentence, Obama was able to show McCain and his campaign as out of touch, angry, desperate and ignorant!

    It's all over! But feel free to lie, distort and whine about it NeoCons... Dispite G. W. Bush's attempts... it is still a free country and looks like it will stay that way for a while.

  • October 16, 2008

    9:34 AM

    P_Denver writes:

    No one won.

    The McSame crowd heard what they wanted to hear.

    The Obamabots heard what they wanted to hear.

    The "undecided" are still ignorant (if they don't know who they favor at this point, they shouldn't be given a ballot).

    The election should be tomorrow. Between now and November nothing will change.

  • October 16, 2008

    9:38 AM

    Observer writes:

    And another fine example from our Mexican friends:
    http://cbs4denver.com/crime/baby.shower.brawl.2.841700.html

  • October 16, 2008

    9:40 AM

    JMH writes:

    "The "undecided" are still ignorant (if they don't know who they favor at this point, they shouldn't be given a ballot)." - P_Denver

    LOL... couldn't agree more. At this point, what more do these people need to see?

  • October 16, 2008

    9:41 AM

    benn writes:

    JMH,

    I also think it was a huge mistake by McCain to bring it up. Now, Obama has been able to address the allegations head-on, on national television. It has essentially neutered that line of attack against Obama... it has been addressed, and there is nothing left for McCain to hint and attack at.

  • October 16, 2008

    9:55 AM

    ML writes:

    Bill Ayers obviously did some foolish things in the 60's, but then who of us that was alive back then didn't? For more on what he has done since, take a look at this:

    http://wsj.com/article/SB122402888900234543.html

  • October 16, 2008

    9:56 AM

    gr8fuldude writes:

    At this point in the campaign, I think it looked desperate of McCain to bring up Ayres and ACORN. The issues have been addressed and bringing it up now makes him look like a angry and bitter man who cannot reconcile with his place in the polls.

    Barring any so-called "Bradley Effect" (which I still don't rule out), I think this one is all but finished.

    BTW, since I already voted by mail, I think there should be some sort of "opt-out" for the annoying campaign ads. Some of them actually make Dealing Doug look sophisticated, imho.

  • October 16, 2008

    9:59 AM

    Shaggy writes:

    Osbama reeks or radicalism and lies.
    He has become so accustomed to getting away with his lies because the media does not vet him, he just blatantly lies thinking he can get away with it.
    Did you all hear him come straight out and say he will raise taxes in a time when we are headed into a recession/depression?


    "Share the wealth"----Socialistic Obama

  • October 16, 2008

    10:06 AM

    JW writes:

    LOL! This is just priceless!!

    "Turns out that Joe Wurzelbacher from the Toledo event is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who’s Robert Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keating’s son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan. The now retired elder Wurzelbacher is also a major contributor to Republican causes giving well over $10,000 in the last few years.

    Now I guess we know why Joe is telling the press that Obama is a "socialist" and that the Obama tax plan "infuriated" him. After all, it would hit families like the Keatings and their minions the hardest."

  • October 16, 2008

    10:08 AM

    Shaggy writes:

    WOW, ML is sinking to a new low and is excusing Ayers for Bombing the Capital and Pentagon.
    Even after Ayers said he is not sorry and wished he would have caused more damage.

    "Bill Ayers obviously did some foolish things in the 60's, but then who of us that was alive back then didn't?"

    Ummm, I don't personally know one person who set off bombs at Government facilities who's intent was to kill innocent people.
    You act like it was no big deal and Obama's friendship with the admitted terrorist is no big deal either...wow, un-fricking believable.

    Do you man cubs have your noses so far up Osbamas back side that you now excuse terrorism against Americans?

  • October 16, 2008

    10:09 AM

    JMH writes:

    Benn,

    Ya McSame seemed to walk into trap after trap. I miss quoted Obama's line earlier (it is actually better than the verbatum I gave)... It bears repeating - (Responding to the Bill ayers nonsense Obama tells McSame) - "I think the fact that this has become such an important part of your campaign, Sen. McCain, says more about your campaign than it says about me!"

    I also laughed when McCain was saying that he wasn't Bush and Obama replied "If I've occasionally mistaken your policies for George Bush's policies, it's because on the core economic issues that matter to the American people — on tax policy, on energy policy, on spending priorities — you have been a vigorous supporter of President Bush."

    It is pretty funny that almost everytime McCain tried to attack Obama, in the end it was Obama who answered back and scored the bigger points!

    I guess it is true... anger clouds your judgement!

    But what do you expect from a campaign that is resting it's hopes of election on a pack of lies, distrortions and fear!

  • October 16, 2008

    10:12 AM

    B Brewer writes:

    Those of us who were geeky enough to join their college debate teams and actually participate, learned long ago that a debate only goes one of two ways:

    1) Both debaters stay on-topic, discuss points related to it, and try to explain why they support or don't support each point of the topic, and eventually, why they support or don't support the overall topic. For example, in a topic of "Invading Iraq", the points might include WMD, an evil leader, suffering citizens, stability of oil region, fighting terrorists, etc. So each point would be discussed in detail, and near the end of the debate, each person offers their opinion as the talking points relate to the topic.

    2) One, the other, or both debaters digress to the point of name-calling, personal attacks, repeating what are often already-refuted points and statements, and perhaps even physical attacks (yes, I've seen wicked brawls on stage between debaters).

    In my opinion, #2 happened last night, with McCain repeating statements that are already known falsehoods, and venturing into personal attacks on Obama. It's a valid campaign tactic that sometimes works, especially if a true point can be mixed into the lies, but in this case, taking this tack has McCain appearing to be desperate, fearful, and worse, non-Presidential.

  • October 16, 2008

    10:17 AM

    SASQUATCH writes:

    OBAMA WON...THE SMIRKING AND FACIAL CONTORTION CONTEST!

    Was the Empty-Suit rehearsing for a Haloween Party? Was E-S auditioning for a house-haunting contest?

    WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH E-S's FACE?

    Joe the Plumber in the T-shirt looked more composed and under control than affirmative action E-S who looked more like an escapee from Nurse Ratchet's Cuckoo's Nest!

  • October 16, 2008

    10:27 AM

    JMH writes:

    "Do you man cubs have your noses so far up Osbamas back side that you now excuse terrorism against Americans?" -scooby

    Just clink your Ruby Heels together and say "There is no place like NeoCon Land, There is no place like NeoCon Land"... Try coming back to reality numbnuts... Ya that's right, over 50% of the coutry hates America and likes terrorism aginst Americans. Really reaching there.

    Truth is, no one cares about some footnote from the 60's... and when Obama was 8! The problem is, you NeoCons tried to make a link where there was none (I guess all those Republicans that served on the same school board were terrorist sympathizers too, huh?) and no one is buying it except you 22ers...

    Talking about terrorism against Americans, you supported one of the biggest terrorists in American history - G. W. Bush! That man didn't miss an opportunity to terrorize Americans with propaganda, scare tactics and fear-mongering!

  • October 16, 2008

    10:30 AM

  • October 16, 2008

    10:31 AM

    benn writes:

    Sounds like the the truth of 'Joe the Plumber' is starting to come out. Looks like he may have been a plant, and is also related to Keating... interesting developments.

  • October 16, 2008

    10:35 AM

  • October 16, 2008

    10:36 AM

  • October 16, 2008

    10:40 AM

    JMH writes:

    You mean the GOP has resorted dishonest tactics again? will suprises never end.

    You are right JW, this news is "priceless", especially now that this Joe guy is being talked about today.

    As news hits he was a "plant" all along (and has connections to the Keating 5, so he must support robbing American banks, by NeoCon logic)... this will make McSame look even worse and more desperate! LOL!

  • October 16, 2008

    10:45 AM

    SASQUATCH writes:

    PIC OF "JOE THE PLUMBER" LOOKING RIGHT THROUGH THE EMPTY-SUIT:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20081015/joe-the-plumber/images/400f5522-b731-4229-9c8e-272b105082fd.jpg

    Joe has X-ray vision, and he sees right through this shallow and vacant product of affirmative action.

  • October 16, 2008

    10:52 AM

    jay writes:

    some good posts here today.

    i liked the first one of the morning:

    "Obama is being more direct and specific, and focusing on points IMPORTANT TO US, unlike McCain, who's trying out nonsense strategic "shoot-him-down" tactics. I've finally made up my mind: I'm voting for the smarter, more decent, more aware, more CAPABLE candidate: Mr. Barack Obama. Mr. Obama, please don't make me sorry. But yes, you've proven you should be given the job."

  • October 16, 2008

    10:57 AM

    Truth writes:

    Sas, you are a retard. Aren't the liquor stores open yet? Why aren't you passed out already?

  • October 16, 2008

    11:12 AM

    Shaggy writes:

    JW,
    Robert Wurzelbacher is not registered and stated this morning he has voted both D & R.

    Liberals have become famous latley for trying to link people together.

    I'm still waiting for someone to tell me one accomplishment of Obamas that wasn't about himself and went jeopardized his political career.

    Evidently Obama is an empty suit with no major accomplishments.

  • October 16, 2008

    11:21 AM

    JMH writes:

    "Liberals have become famous latley for trying to link people together." - shaggy

    LOL!!! You really didn't just state this did you? haha...WOW! After weeks of trying to LINK Bill Ayers to Obama? WOW!!! (shaking my head and laughing)

    Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Smoke a number shaggy and calm down, you are becoming unhinged.

  • October 16, 2008

    11:30 AM

    Observer writes:

    I think Shagster and Sascroth have been smoking carpet fibers again.

  • October 16, 2008

    11:34 AM

    ML writes:

    Shaggy writes, "Liberals have become famous latley [sp] for trying to link people together." Uhhh, it seems to me that is standard operating procedure for you repukes. Hypocrite!
    And by the way, Shagster, I was not excusing Ayers for his conduct 40 years ago. Did you happen to read the article I linked to...it talks about what he has been doing in the last 20 years. You might want to pull YOUR head out of your a$$ and read something on the subject instead of just spouting your talking points.

  • October 16, 2008

    11:37 AM

    Shaggy writes:

    No sense in trying to succeed in life if Obama is just going to take it away and "spread the wealth around".

    Hell if Osbama somehow cons the majority of people into voting for him and becomes our second[Carter]socialistic President, I might as well join the Democratic party, sell my business and do the Democratic thing, let Government take care of me while I do nothing.

    Democrats are proof that it isn't what we can do for our Country anymore, they see it as what can our Country do for us.

    Just look at all the things Osbama is promising that big brother will provide for them.

  • October 16, 2008

    11:42 AM

    Rigg writes:

    60s4ever writes: "You can easily tell who graduated at the top of his class at Harvard"

    * * With no proof he did. Nope. None whatsoever. That is what is so depressing.
    People are believing Obama when he lies right to their faces.

    Sickening.

  • October 16, 2008

    12:05 PM

    Tbone writes:

    Where is the proof he is lying, Rigg? None whatsoever.

    Anybody wanna talk about terrorists? Turns out the lobbyist heading mcsame's transition team lobbied for none other than....saddam hussein!

  • October 16, 2008

    12:36 PM

    SASQUATCH writes:

    THIS IS WHAT OBAMA MEANS WHEN HE SAYS "SPREADING IT OUT":

    http://emhain.wit.ie/~ynicol/Funny/SHIT.GIF

    JOE THE PLUMBER DOESN'T WANT ANY PART OF IT!

  • October 16, 2008

    12:41 PM

    history buff writes:

    60s4ever writes: "You can easily tell who graduated at the top of his class at Harvard"

    * * With no proof he did. Nope. None whatsoever. That is what is so depressing.
    People are believing Obama when he lies right to their faces.

    Sickening. -- posted at 1142

    Too funny for words. Obama was president of the Harvard law review. That pretty much says he was an accomplished law student. That is probably the most competitive position at Harvard law. That is rather compelling circumstantial evidence, wouldn't you say?

    And he was a professor of law at University of Chicago, rated by many as the best law school in the world. And he met Michelle at Austin and Sidley? You don't get a job at the firm if you don't have the grades.

    At the same time, McCain / Palin makes unfounded allegations that Obama and Ayers were pals. Give me a break. They served on a board together? That is proof of a personal friendship? And then there is this thing about a fund raiser sponsered by Ayeres? No proof at all. Just a figbar of sosme WACKO's imagination. I guess if some GOP hate monger says something is true, no proof is necessary the party regulars, no matter how ridiculous.

    That type of dysfunction is a sickness. Thank God the American people are going to vote for health.

    Happy days are here again.

  • October 16, 2008

    12:46 PM

    king writes:

    for the thousands of those who tuned in online...We know that Bob Barr won the debate.

  • October 16, 2008

    12:52 PM

    history buff writes:

    Oops. Better correct my error before some WACKO pounces on it. The Obamas met at Sidley Austen LLP.

    http://www.sidley.com/ourfirm/

  • October 16, 2008

    12:55 PM

    Jeff writes:

    Overall I thought McCain had a mixed outing but better than Obamma just from the disrespectful way Obamma rolled his eyes, sneered and laughed while McCain was speaking. McCain was energetic and maybe a bit too much as he mixed his words up a number of times. Obamma did the same but wasn't called on a number of items, like lowering his $250k number to $200k for taxes, etc.

    This all could be mute though as there is possibly a problem with Obamma's citizenship. If he's not a natural born American and is deemed to be a Naturalized citizen as is implied in this video (lawsuit pending) it's game over for Obamma and Hello John McCain! Watch the video and then make your own decision:
    Does Obamma meet the basic requirement for President?
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/this_could_be_the_game_changer.html

    If he's a natural born citizen all he has to do is authorize Hawaii to release his birth certificate. Why would he delay and stonewall on this most basic requirement for the Presidency?

  • October 16, 2008

    12:59 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    Buff,
    Obama is the life long bi-product of Liberal Professors and Radical groups.
    He is nothing but a text book education with no real life experiences other than his associations with Radicals.
    Look at his past and it will explain it all.

    Please tell me of any important legislation he has introduced or anytime he has actually took on his own party and risked his political career.

    You can't because he hasn't.

  • October 16, 2008

    1:05 PM

    jay writes:

    "Obama is the life long bi-product of Liberal Professors and Radical groups."

    that's awesome...let's call that one the Myth of the Al Frankenstein.

    "Please tell me of any important legislation he has introduced or anytime he has actually took on his own party and risked his political career."

    we've answered this questions countless times, shaggy.

    please don't tell me you've shaken the etchisketch again.

  • October 16, 2008

    1:05 PM

    SASQUATCH writes:

    JOE WURZELBACHER...intelligent, entrepeneur, businessman--knowledgeable and articulate about econommics, finance and capitalism, patriot, drinks beer at local VFW hall.

    BARACK OBOMBER...product of affirmative action, sense of entitlement and what is owed to him--empty-suit and unaccomplished neighborhood agitator, hate-whitey cult member and Marxist who pals with terrorists and snorts coke at local ACORN headquarters.

    I beleive that Joe--the real American here--can identify with American values and is more qualified to be president of the USA than is the other guy, the affirmative action Empty-Suit.



  • October 16, 2008

    1:08 PM

    Jeff writes:

    Overall I thought McCain had a mixed outing but better than Obamma just from the disrespectful way Obamma rolled his eyes, sneered and laughed while McCain was speaking. McCain was energetic and maybe a bit too much as he mixed his words up a number of times. Obamma did the same but wasn't called on a number of items, like lowering his $250k number to $200k for taxes, etc.

    This all could be mute though as there is possibly a problem with Obamma's citizenship. If he's not a natural born American and is deemed to be a Naturalized citizen as is implied in this video (lawsuit pending) it's game over for Obamma and Hello John McCain! Watch the video and then make your own decision:
    Does Obamma meet the basic requirement for President?
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/this_could_be_the_game_changer.html

    If he's a natural born citizen all he has to do is authorize Hawaii to release his birth certificate. Why would he delay and stonewall on this most basic requirement for the Presidency?

  • October 16, 2008

    1:12 PM

    Can't make this stuff up writes:

    And remember, they are only here to disrupt the baby showers that Americans won't:

    http://cbs4denver.com/crime/baby.shower.brawl.2.841700.html

    And besides, who keeps a car jack at a baby shower?!? Was it a gift?

  • October 16, 2008

    1:24 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    jay,
    I know you never answer any questions but I will try another one just for entertainment.

    Do you think "spreading the wealth around" is a socialistic idea?

  • October 16, 2008

    1:30 PM

    SASQUATCH writes:

    PIC OF JOE THE PLUMBER PLAYING TOUCH FOOTBALL:

    http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0ghDfCJ7JGb9u/610x.jpg

    I bet he can kick Obomber's affirmative action ass too!

  • October 16, 2008

    1:30 PM

    Tbone writes:

    "Please tell me of any important legislation he has introduced "

    Here you go shaggy....no more reasons to stay uninformed:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR2008010303303.html

    Here's more:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/20/172059/936

    Funny, I remember when bush was campaiging back in 2000, nu-kew-lur nonproliferation was a big deal to him.

    Evidently, republican't don't care so much about nu-kew-lur proliferation anymore.

    Obama-Lugar.

    Yobama 08.

  • October 16, 2008

    1:36 PM

    SASQUATCH writes:

    PIC OF JOE THE PLUMBER PLAYING TOUCH FOOTBALL:

    http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0ghDfCJ7JGb9u/610x.jpg

    I bet he can kick Obomber's affirmative action ass too!

  • October 16, 2008

    1:40 PM

    jay writes:

    depends on the context, shaggy.

    if you mean transitioning our tax structure from tickle down economics to trickle up economics, then no...unless every politicians in washington a "socialist" then that idea is ludicrous at best and pure poltiically hackery at worst.

    if you mean spreading wealth through the collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society, then yes, that's socialism.

    sounds like lugar might get a cabinet spot, tbone.

  • October 16, 2008

    1:47 PM

    ML writes:

    Nice links, Tbone. Too bad Shaggy and his ilk won't bother to read them...easier just to stick to the talking points, right boys?

  • October 16, 2008

    1:50 PM

    history buff writes:

    "The Toledo Blade is reporting that Joe the Plumber is actually not licensed. But that, combined with his apparent tax lien, isn't lessening McCain's ardor.

    He said in an interview with Fox's Carl Cameron today that he hoped to hook up with the instantly famous Ohioan soon.

    “I'm probably going to call him this morning," McCain said. "I thought he would probably be up late. I heard that his — that his phone lines were pretty well flooded. But I think we're going to be spending some time together.?

    This guy doesn't pay his taxes and he is an American hero? Is that what turns on the GOP? I pay my taxes. Why does this deadbeat get special treatment?

  • October 16, 2008

    1:52 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    and rump roast sends me a link to the Washington post and the daily kos....to funny.
    Obama has NEVER introduced a significant piece of legislature nor has he ever taken on his own party.

    Like I said before, Obama is the life long bi-product of Liberal Professors and Radical groups.

    jay,
    let me simplify this as to not confuse you.
    Do you think taking money from the rich and dispersing it to the poor is a socialistic idea?
    This is exactly what Biden and Obama are saying.
    "spreading the wealth around".

    Be careful because Obama does not deny it.

  • October 16, 2008

    1:54 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    Joe the plummer has no license?

    is this one of McCains ideas of deregulation?

    if so you should not have Joe build your house.


    Have you heard the latest?
    McCain soon to give capital gains tax cut to Joe the homeless lol.

  • October 16, 2008

    2:07 PM

    JW writes:

    "Like I said before, Obama is the life long bi-product of Liberal Professors and Radical groups."

    They had a great frontline on the other day called "The Choice". It was all about John McCain and Obama. Two hours long.

    One of the "Radical" groups Obama was in was called the "Harvard Law Review". In fact, Obama was the first black President of this "radical" group. When he was electe by his fellow "radicals" many of the more liberal ones, and the minorities, felt that they would be given high positions within the "Radical" Harvard Law Review simlply because they were like him, or their politics were close to his.

    Instead, ever the "Radical", Obama "Radically" gave "Radical" Conservatives three positions, more than the "Radical" Liberals within the "Radical" Harvard Law Review.

    Since then the "Radical" Conservatives whom the "Radical" Obama gave senior positions to within the "Radical" Harvard Law review have been busy helping the "Non-Radical" Bush administration run the "Non-Radical" united states, implementing policies the likes of which we have never seen, that are extreme in their interpretations of the rule of law, unilateralism, and partisanship.

  • October 16, 2008

    2:25 PM

    jay writes:

    i answered your question, shaggy. both political parties redistribute wealth.

    whining about one and not the other is just the worst kind of stupid.

    wouldn't you agree?

  • October 16, 2008

    2:34 PM

    jay writes:

    that's not exactly true.

    whining about the politicaly party who actually shifts wealth in your direction instead of the one that shifts it away from you is clearly the WORST kind of stupid.

  • October 16, 2008

    3:00 PM

    amaikovich writes:

    Senator Obama is now 3 for 3. Senator McCain's one bright spot was "Joe the Plumber", whom he mentioned 10 times during the debate.

    Turns out Joe not only doesn't make $250,000, but isn't even a licensed plumber and and has a tax lien against him from the state of Ohio for personal income taxes to the tune of $1,182.

    Unbelievable.

  • October 16, 2008

    3:18 PM

    Blogger writes:

    yo, shagman ... yes, it is a form of Socialism ... but both parties have long recognized the need to help those at our lowest levels of income, and have long taxed the wealthy what I think is an unfair amount ... taxes should never amount to more than 1/3rd in my opinion or we just get to a point of things not being reasonable .... the fairtax would correct much of this, but until we do, the wealthy should not be overly-penalized for being successful ..... I think that perhaps what you're really trying to get it is answering the question of whether or not we are becoming 'too socialistic', and for anyone who is on the scale as 'fairly conservative' all the way to 'right wing extremist' anything that takes taxes from one group to benefit another is going to be viewed as 'socialistic' ... but on the other hand, one could choose to look at it as being 'compassionate' instead ..... isn't that a large part of what our great nation is about?

  • October 16, 2008

    3:31 PM

    Tbone writes:

    Wow. I predicted it, and still shaggy steps in a big pile of stupid.

    In 2000, nuclear non-proliferation was a big part of Bush's campaign. It was important to him. You would think it would be important to republicans as well.

    Obama sponsors a non-proliferation bill that bush signed.

    But, even though I predicted shaggy would say Obama hasn't sponsored any major legislation, even after I showed him a bunch of bills, he still says it.

    Shaggy, please do us a favor and show us the major legislation that mccain has written, sponsored, and gotten signed.

    What's he got? He's got the campaign fianance reform, which he now says he would vote against.

    Lets see mcsame's list of legislation, shaggy.

    Besides fianance reform, you don't know any of mcsame's bills, do you shaggy?

    Over a 25 year senate career, you'd think mcsame would have a pretty lengthy list of achievements.

    So lets see them, shaggy.

    Lets see mcsames legislative accomplishments.

    You don't really know any, do you shaggy?

  • October 16, 2008

    3:56 PM

    dirkle writes:

    I feel sorry for what John McCain is doing to himself out of desperation.
    I will be relieved and happy to welcome back the REAL John McCain after the election is over and Obama is sworn in.

  • October 16, 2008

    3:59 PM

    dirkle writes:

    I feel sorry for what John McCain is doing to himself out of desperation.
    I will be relieved and happy to welcome back the REAL John McCain after the election is over and Obama is sworn in.

  • October 16, 2008

    4:11 PM

    dirkle writes:

    I feel bad for John McCain, embarrassing himself with his "mean-old-man" imitation trying desperately to remain in the race.

    Personally I will be relieved and happy to welcome back the REAL John McCain when the election is over and Obama is sworn in as President. Watching McCain do this to himself in public is truly painful.

  • October 16, 2008

    4:24 PM

    Anon E. Mouse writes:

    rhonda writes: "Obama is speechless when McCain brought up his ties to Ayers and ACORN. Busted. Go McCain! He has our votes 100%."

    Guess you were watching with the TV muted...
    (don't even wanna LISTEN to the other side, in case they start making sense to you!)

    Obama effectively rebutted, and McCain had the demeanor of being cornered into bringing it up in the first place!

  • October 16, 2008

    4:31 PM

    Q-Aus writes:

    As their names and comments show, sounds like SHAGGY and SASQUATCH are mentally related to the hairy smelly mammoth BIGFOOT.

    Wow! Just to know that ranting fools like you are voting for John McCain is enough to let the rest of us know it must be a bad idea. No wonder John looked so angry last night. He must have known Bigfoots like you were still voting for him.

    A bit of advice! You should both walk away from your computers, have a shave and a shower and leave John alone. Lord knows he's having enough trouble without you two making it worse.

  • October 16, 2008

    5:21 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    Like I said rump roast, show me some SIGNIFICANT legislation Osbama has ever INTRODUCED.
    or
    Show me ONE, JUST ONE, instance where he crossed Political lines and jeopardized his Political career and make a stance.

    You can't because he hasn't.
    and
    Yes, Distribution of wealth is a socialistic view of Governing.

    McCain HAS risked his Political career many times and has introduced many SIGNIFICANT legislation such as tougher regulations on fanny and freddy which Osbama and the rest of the Democrats voted against.

    I know you loons refuse to acknowledge the facts but that doesn't make them untrue.

    Osbama is an empty suit and proves it over and over.

    How many times has he voted present instead of taking a stance?

  • October 16, 2008

    5:29 PM

    Anon E. Mouse writes:

    Joe the Plumber, according to ABS News, is in tax arrears...guess it doesn't matter if Obama or McCain would tax him more if he ain't gonna pay anyway!

  • October 16, 2008

    5:41 PM

    Anon E. Mouse writes:

    sTEVE writes: "OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII AND HIS MOTHER WAS AN AMERICAN, BUT HE WAS ADOPTED BY HER SECOND HUSBAND WHO WAS A CITIZEN ON INDONESIA SO THAT MAKES HIM A CITIZEN OF INDONESIA. THAT CHANGES HIS CITIZENSHIP. CAN YOU GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK LITTLE PEA BRAINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DID ANY OF YOU GO TO SCHOOL AND LEARN ANYTHING??????????????

    Ummmm...yes; I went to school, and I learned that if you're born in American (to an American, but that's neither here nor there) you are a citizen.

    Period.

    End of subject.

    Maybe Indonesia's laws make him a citizen (Dual?) by adoption--I really dunno--but they CAN'T take away his American citizenship.

    So who was paying attention in class, and who was snoozing in the back?

  • October 16, 2008

    5:47 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    Many many people are in dept to the IRS Mouse, are you saying Osbama's plan to tax them more is going to help?
    Whats going to happen to Joe the Plumber when Osbama increases the Tax on his employer?

    Joe the Plumber could be out of a job.

    Joe the Plumber represents Millions of people.

  • October 16, 2008

    5:53 PM

    jay writes:

    shaggy, just stomping your fit and throwing a willfully ignorant tantrum isn't going to help.

    "Yes, Distribution of wealth is a socialistic view of Governing."

    whatever you say, corporal tinfoil, as long as you understand that both parties are "socialists" under your special brand of "logic".

    from obama's website:

    OBAMA WORKED ACROSS THE AISLE TO KEEP WMDs OUT OF THE HANDS OF TERRORISTS WHILE MCCAIN HAS SHOWN NO LEADERSHIP ON NON-PROLIFERATION ISSUES

    Obama And Lugar Passed Law Boosting U.S. Efforts To Keep WMDs And Other Dangerous Weapons Out Of The Hands Of Terrorists. In 2006, Obama and Lugar introduced The Cooperative Proliferation Detection Act, which was passed by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee unanimously on May 26, 2006 and was eventually incorporated into the Department of State Authorities Act of 2006 and signed into law on January 11, 2007.

    [P.L. 109-472 , 1/11/07; House Report 109-706 , 9/3/06; S. 2566 , 109th Congress; S.1949 , 109th Congress; Senate Report 110-40 , 3/29/07]

    In the first week of the 110th Congress, Obama joined with Senator Feingold to introduce a "Gold Standard" ethics package.

    S. 230, 110th Congress; S.1, Became Public Law 109-110-81, 9/14/07

    "The two senators are sponsoring groundbreaking ethics legislation that they say will improve upon Senate Bill 2349, the lobbying disclosure and ethics measure that the Senate passed in March 2006. 'Our goal,' say Feingold and Obama, 'is to restore the public's faith that Congress places its interest ahead of special interests.' The bottom line is that this is a real reform. No one will be surprised that Feingold's name is associated with this effort. But the fact that Obama is so willing to be a part of it will only strengthen the case for consideration of his potential presidential candidacy."

    [Madison Capital Times, 1/12/07]

    Providence Journal: Coburn And Obama “Deserve Credit For Fighting Doggedly For This Legislation.? “What a great idea: Create a searchable online data base of federal grants and contracts, identifying the members of Congress behind the spending, so that citizens, even on their home computers, can easily determine where, how and why the government is spending their money. A bill to do just that, sponsored by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., with the bipartisan support of such heavy hitters as Republican Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., Democratic Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., and John McCain, R-Ariz., has passed the Senate and may soon become law…For a time it looked dicey. In an impressive display of the arrogance of power, two of Congress's most egregious kings of pork - Sens. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska., and Robert Byrd, D-W.Va. - secretly put a hold on the legislation. After citizens groups smoked out this betrayal of the public, Byrd and Stevens backed off…That may be why liberal Democrats have joined with conservatives on the bill. It presents an opportunity to break the deathgrip of incumbency. Coburn and the co-sponsor, Sen. Barak Obama, D-Ill., deserve credit for fighting doggedly for this legislation.?

    [Providence Journal Editorial, 9/20/06]

    Kennedy And MCCAIN, Authors Of Immigration Reform Bill, THANKED OBAMA As One Of Small Bipartisan Group Of Senators Who “Stood Together To Make This Legislation Possible.? McCain said, “After several weeks of extensive debate and consideration of numerous and complicated amendments, the Senate is about to move to final passage on S. 2611, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act…I also commend the Senate Leadership on both sides of the aisle for their efforts to ensure that the Senate addressed this important issue and gave us more than adequate time for a thorough debate. This is a proud moment for the United States Senate, as we have conducted good work and returned to orderly traditions of the legislative process as envisioned by our founding fathers…And of course, I commend Senator Kennedy, who is perhaps the leading expert on this difficult issue…I also want to thank Senators Brownback, Lieberman, Graham, Salazar, Martinez, Obama, and Dewine for their shared commitment to this issue, and working to ensure this bill moved successfully intact through the legislative process.? In a speech on the Senate floor, Kennedy said, “I thank those of our bipartisan group who stood together to make this legislation possible--Senator Graham, Senator Salazar, Senator Martinez, Senator Hagel, Senator Durbin, Senator Lieberman, Senator Brownback, Senator Obama, and Senator DeWine.? [McCain Press Release, 5/25/06; Congressional Record, 5/26/06]

    there is simply no excuse for you to be this uninformed, let alone writing about it, 18 days before the election.

    www.barackobama.com

    www.johnmccain.com

    vote smart or don't bother.

  • October 16, 2008

    6:01 PM

    Anon E. Mouse writes:

    Obama ain't going to raise taxes on people who end up owing $1182--you know that, and I know that.

    He'll raise taxes on the bracket where people are hundreds of thousands (or millions) in arrears.

    Joe the Plummer will be just fine.

    If he pays his back taxes.

    And becomes a LICENSED plumber.

  • October 16, 2008

    6:05 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    Mccain is a way better president than Obama! Obama will only raise taxes and he is not strict enough on crime. Mccain will be strong on crime.

  • October 16, 2008

    6:05 PM

    Rigg writes:

    Jay, amaikovich, TBone, Blogger:
    * * Please define the history of Obama's 'community organizing' work. If Public Allies, ACORN, Woods Project and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (aka CAC) is mentioned, then the (lack) of effectiveness of Obama will be quite known.

    Public Allies was formed with an anti-capitalist & social activist agenda.
    ACORN fought (with Obama as their lawyer) against laws to prevent voter fraud in Illinois. Everything else you should know about them by now.
    Woods Project was where Obama began his relationship (and political career) with Bill Ayers.
    The CAC wasted 198 million dollars of taxpayer money and was an utter failure. Should I mention Obama was directly hired by Ayers as a Board Director?

    Please inform my of other 'community organizing' work of Obama's. I am interested.

  • October 16, 2008

    6:18 PM

    Bill writes:

    Lets be real

    John McCain doesnt' really care about the real joe the plumbers.

    Hes more interested in Joe the felons.
    (making more than 250k) such as the ceo of AIG

  • October 16, 2008

    6:22 PM

    Anon E. Mouse writes:

    BTW...this continued thread of "name ONE piece of legislation Obama is responsible for" just has to stop.

    Here's a link to a COMPREHENSIVE list of his legislative career:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bills_sponsored_by_Barack_Obama_in_the_United_States_Senate

    Now...if you keep saying that, you are either willfully ignorant or lying.

    Your choice--"I'm stupid" or "I'm a liar."

  • October 16, 2008

    6:27 PM

    Anon E. Mouse writes:

    Plummer, plumber; my bad.

    Apologies to Jake.

  • October 16, 2008

    6:31 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    What I find hypocritical is that the loons get all worked up when the plastic messiah is scrutinized but fail to see what they have done to Sarah and Joe.

    If the media would have done it's job and properly vetted Osbama he would not be the nominee....because he is not qualified.
    But instead, they have a crush on the cloaked intruder.
    What is sad is that so many people cannot or refuse to acknowledge who the real Osbama is.


    jay still refuses to acknowledge the truth?
    I am shocked.

    btw, I have my mail-in sitting on my desk, thinking of filling it out tomorrow.
    Hmmmm....who should I vote for?

    A Socialist or a Capitalist?
    Hmmmmm

  • October 16, 2008

    7:04 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    But instead, they have a crush on the cloaked intruder

    Not really.

    did you know this xmas they're coming out with a Palin/McCain Doll?

    The palin doll lies like hell and winks.

    The McCain doll gets pissed off and pees in his pants.

  • October 16, 2008

    8:46 PM

    Mike writes:

    I have to say Obama won this debate just as he did the previous two. My vote is going to Obama. God help us all if McCain wins and Palin ends up running this country...... into the ground or possibly oblivion.

  • October 17, 2008

    6:11 AM

    ML writes:

    Jay, Tbone, Mouse...I told you Shaggy wouldn't bother reading the information or links you post. It's easier and more convenient for him to remain ignorant. That way, little things like the facts don't get in the way of his talking points.
    In many ways, he is very typical of the fear and ignorance that put the shrub in the white house not just once, but twice. God help us all if McSame ends up there.

  • October 17, 2008

    8:24 AM

    Truth writes:

    Joe the Plumber is a retard, as is shaggy, jay and Mouse.

  • October 17, 2008

    8:45 AM

    Tbone writes:

    Hey shaggy, quick question:

    When did you sign up for your mail-in ballot?

    I signed up at least a week ago, and haven't gotten it yet.

    Just wondering. Screw going to the polls - they're going to be a mess this year.

    And if you're wondering who to vote for....

    I think you would be best represented by a vote for Bob Barr.

  • October 17, 2008

    8:58 AM

    gr8fuldude writes:

    Tbone - Call you county elections department. I got my ballot late last week and mailed it over the weekend. I agree, I think with the predicted heavy turnout and the length of the ballot, lines will be insane this year.

  • October 17, 2008

    9:31 AM

    Shaggy writes:

    Do you loons have a problem with understanding the word "SIGNIFICANT"?

    –adjective
    1. important; of consequence.
    2. having or expressing a meaning; indicative; suggestive: a significant wink.
    3. Statistics. of or pertaining to observations that are unlikely to occur by chance and that therefore indicate a systematic cause.
    –noun
    4. something significant; a sign.

    1. Having or expressing a meaning; meaningful.
    2. Having or expressing a covert meaning; suggestive: a significant glance. See Synonyms at expressive.
    3. Having or likely to have a major effect; important: a significant change in the tax laws.
    4. Fairly large in amount or quantity: significant casualties; no significant opposition.
    5. Statistics Of or relating to observations or occurrences that are too closely correlated to be attributed to chance and therefore indicate a systematic relationship.


    Rump Roast,
    I just bought a new car and had to get License plates so while I was at the DMV I made sure my Motorcycle, voting and donar documents were all in place.
    McCain is not my Candidate of choice but he is so much better than the inexperienced Socialist and non of you have convinced me to vote other wise so I will be casting my vote to McCain/Palin.
    I will also be voting against TaxRitter 321 Million dollar gas tax on Coloradans.

    Heres a link so you can make sure you get signed up.
    http://www.cologop.org/


    ML, Quit yer pouting.
    Crying is not allowed in Politics.

  • October 17, 2008

    9:46 AM

    ML writes:

    First of all, Shaggy, I'm not pouting or crying. You, however, will most certainly be doing both after the election. hehehe

    Next, you first claimed that Obama had never introduced ANY legislation. Then, when confronted with the facts, you backpeddled and said he had never introduced any significant legislation. I'm quite certain that if you go thru the LONG list of legislation he introduced, you can be sure that many of those were significant to the people affected.

    Like 8dude, I too have already mailed in my ballot. I take some small comfort in knowing that my vote will cancel out Shaggy's.

  • October 17, 2008

    9:52 AM

    Observer writes:

    Shagster - What are "donar documents"...is it a typo, and you meant to renew your sub to Playboy, and you meant to say "b@ner documents"?...Or were you writing a check for some Krispy Kremes, and you meant to say "donut documents"...In any event, didn't anyone ever tell you to never go full retard?

  • October 17, 2008

    10:10 AM

    Shaggy writes:

    No ML,
    I never back peddled at all.
    You are lying.
    I first stated "important" legislation.
    That is far from "any" legislation.

    btw, none of the loons seem to want to answer me this.
    Why does Osbama always vote "present" instead of taking a stance on a tough issue?

  • October 17, 2008

    11:09 AM

    ML writes:

    Ok, Shaggy, unlike you, I can admit when I made an error. It was not a purposeful lie, it was a mistake on my part...you did indeed say "important" legislation. However, the second part of my earlier statement still applies: "I'm quite certain that if you go thru the LONG list of legislation he introduced, you can be sure that many of those were significant [and important] to the people affected."

  • October 17, 2008

    12:50 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    "I'm quite certain that if you go thru the LONG list of legislation he introduced, you can be sure that many of those were significant [and important] to the people affected."

    Again, this leads us back to my original Q, name me ONE significant piece of legislation Obama has ever introduced?
    Also,
    Why does Obama consistently vote "present" instead of making a stance?
    and,
    Why has he NEVER stood up against his party or crossed party lines that could jeopardize his political career?

    It shows a lot about Obamas true character.

  • October 17, 2008

    6:23 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    Boy am I going to vote Obama
    just so it cancels Shaggy's vote

  • October 18, 2008

    3:56 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    If you vote for Obama, you are an idiot.

  • October 19, 2008

    1:36 PM

    John Warren writes:

    Our beautiful soon to be Vice President Sarah Palin is the best future leader for this nation, not Senator Barak Obama. Our beautiful soon to be Vice President Sarah Palin is also would be better at leading our nation in the future after a McCain Presidency than Senator Barak Obama would be in leading our nation in the future starting in January 2009. There are great reasons our soon to be Vice President Sarah Palin would be a better future leader than Senator Barak Obama. The greatest reason for our soon to be Vice President Sarah Palin's is ideology. Our soon to be Vice President Sarah Palin is conservative in that she is pro life, marriage, guns, low taxes, low government spending, small government, unintrosive government, traditional and judeo Christian values, Bible reading and prayer in our public schools, and military spending. Senator Barak Obama is a liberal who is anti every thing that I have described that our soon to be Vice President Sarah Palin is pro about or for. A second reason that our soon to be Vice President Sarah Palin is superior is because of experience. As a governor she has two years of executive administrative governing experience that Senator Barak Obama does not have. A final reason that our soon to be Vice President Sarah Palin is superior is because of political accomplishments. When our soon to be Vice President Sarah Palin came to office she accomplished 3 major things which are as follows: she showed great leadership in the 3 following areas: government reform, the state budget and the economy, and wise use of natural resources. She reformed government by standing up to the big oil companies by breaking up the monopoly on power and resources. She insisted on competition and basic fairness which ended the control that the oil companies had on the state, and thereby returning control of the state back to the people. She also stood up to the special interest and lobbyist, and produced major ethics reform. She lead well in the state budget by generating a surplus which came about by vetoing a half billion dollars of wasteful spending, ending the abuses of earmark spending by congress, and by getting rid of the private jet, the chef, and the chuffer. Economically under her leadership she brought about the largest private-sector infrastructure project in North American history. She also suspended the state fuel tax, and when oil and gas prices went up dramatically, and filled up the state treasury, she sent a large share of that revenue back where it belonged - directly to the people of Alaska . On natural resources she has shown great leadership by beginning a nearly forty billion dollar natural gas pipeline to help lead America to energy independence. When the last section of the pipeline is laid and its valves are opened, will lead America one step farther away from dependence on dangerous foreign powers that do not have our interests at heart. Senator Barak Obama has done nothing, so please vote John McCain for President and give to our beautiful soon to be Vice President Sarah Palin the opportunity that she deserves leading the nation into the future after a John McCain presidency. When our soon to be Vice President does lead the nation as President after a John McCain presidency,she will be the greatest President that we have ever had. Finally she is smarter than Senator Barak Obama

    Thank You

    John Warren

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