November 7, 2008 1:16 PM
President-elect Obama's first news conference: move quickly on economy
The economy is a mess and needs urgent action but Barack Obama said in his first news conference as President-elect he would defer to President Bush and his economic team for the moment.
But, he said, "immediately after I become president I will confront this economic crisis head-on by taking all necessary steps to ease the credit crisis, help hardworking families, and restore growth and prosperity.""I'm confident a new president can have an enormous impact," he added.
The president-elect spoke after he and Vice President-elect Joe Biden met privately with economic experts to discuss ways to stabilize the troubled economy.
More evidence of a recession came Friday when the government reported that the unemployment rate had jumped from 6.1 percent in September to 6.5 percent in October. Despite dour third-quarter reports from Ford and General Motors, stocks rose some after two days of heavy losses.
Obama's transition to power and early days in office, if not the entire first year of his presidency, almost certainly will be devoted to finding ways to remedy dismal economic conditions. The economy was the top concern of voters demanding a new direction as they ushered into office the Democrat who promised change after eight years of Bush's policies.
November 7, 2008
1:50 PM
Shaggy writes:
The plastic messiah isn't so sure of himself anymore.
Next he will have to say he cannot fulfill any of his false promises he knowingly told his blind followers because the economy will support his massive tax increases and he cannot cut anyone's taxes because more than likely we will now have to bail out the auto biz's.
Whos next in line for a Socialist hand out of invented money from thin air?
November 7, 2008
2:03 PM
Ben-Native American writes:
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.
Abraham Lincoln
November 7, 2008
2:34 PM
DEMSBETTER writes:
I guess this cannot list doesn't apply for Iraq, or Republicans. These are good rules if they were treated equally but since they are only used when needed to criticize they are pretty much worthless. Boy it drives home the fact that the GOP is no longer the party of Lincoln.
Here is a new one: You cannot have a prosperous economy by giving all the money to a few rich people.
November 7, 2008
3:14 PM
DEMSBETTER writes:
Mark Wolf,
Any word on taking the block off my account? I have some funny stuff to say.
Here is one for the gun sales story:
SHHH! Let them go crazy and buy the whole store. Purchasing stuff is good for our economy. Obama is already benefiting the economy.
November 7, 2008
3:49 PM
Ben-- Native American writes:
Obama's greatest benefit to the economy will have come during his election campaign, where he and the Democrats spent half a billion dollars to scam the American people.
November 7, 2008
4:00 PM
Shaggy writes:
Mark,
Any chance you can put a double block on Demsbetter please?
He is very paranoid.
Just last night black helicopters were surrounding his crib and the night before that a spaceship beamed it up and little green aliens did experiments on him.
November 7, 2008
4:21 PM
jay writes:
clinton's numbers vs busn's numbers prove that reality doesn't match your extremist rhetoric my little footsoldiers.
November 7, 2008
5:12 PM
RickyLee writes:
Time to stop with the big checks written to Wall Street and huge corporations and start doing something about helping the average American.
November 7, 2008
5:13 PM
RickyLee writes:
Time to stop with the big checks written to Wall Street and huge corporations and start doing something about helping the average American.
November 7, 2008
5:13 PM
RickyLee writes:
Time to stop with the big checks written to Wall Street and huge corporations and start doing something about helping the average American.
November 7, 2008
8:28 PM
DEMSBETTER writes:
Shaggy,
I don't care to attack you back but I am far from paranoid. I cannot post on regular articles because they are blocked by the RMN staff. I would guess you know that so please refrain from breaking the personal attack rules the RMN has stated. They accused me of something called spamming and said they had every right to block my account. Your candidate McCain lost the election handily and all I want is my ability to post back. Are you afraid of me speaking? I guess when you stand on your beliefs you should be afraid of dissenting opinions.
November 7, 2008
9:15 PM
JMH writes:
Quite a mess left for Obama to clean up... and he is already starting.
Didn't G. W. Bush go on vacation for a month at this point in 2000?
Man, it will be great to have a responsible adult in the White House again!
November 8, 2008
6:10 AM
Anonymous writes:
Speaking of cleaning up messes.
Shocking New Revelation
This is new information everyone should know. You will find verification links at the end of this shocking article.
This has been flying under the radar. Read the MSNBC article and check the truthorfiction.Com site. The TruthOrFiction version is shown below. This event is factual. I have an increased respect for President Bush. He has taken the heat of being called a liar and a war monger for 5 years while he kept his silence to protect the people of the world. This is truly a display of selfless honor.
On July 5, 2008, the Associated Press (AP) released a story titled: Secret U.S. Mission hauls uranium from Iraq .
The opening paragraph is as follows:
The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. Operation that included a two week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.
See anything wrong with this picture? We have been hearing from the far-left for more than five years how, Bush lied. Somehow, that slogan loses its credibility now that 550 metric tons of Saddam's yellowcake, used for nuclear weapon enrichment, has been discovered and shipped to Canada for its new use as nuclear energy.
It appears that American troops found the 550 metric tons of uranium in 2003 after invading Iraq . They had to sit on this information and the uranium itself, for fear of terrorists attempting to steal it. It was guarded and kept safe by our military in a 23,000-acre site with large sand beams surrounding the site.
This is vindication for the Bush administration, having been attacked mercilessly by the liberal media and the far-left pundits on the blogosphere. Now that it is proven that President Bush did not lie about Saddam's nuclear ambitions, one would think the mainstream media would report the story. Once the AP released the story, the mainstream media should have picked it up and broadcast it worldwide.
This never happened, due in large part I believe, to the fact that the mainstream media would have to admit they were wrong about Bush's war motives all along. Thankfully, the AP got it right when it said,
The removal of 550 metric tons of yellowcake the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy.
Closing the book on Saddam's nuclear legacy. Did Saddam have a nuclear legacy after all? I thought Bush lied. As it turns out, the people who lied were Joe Wilson and his wife.
Valerie Plame engaged in a clear case of nepotism and convinced the CIA to send her husband on a fact finding mission in February 2002, seeking to determine if Saddam Hussein attempted to buy yellowcake from Niger . The CIA and British intelligence believed Saddam contacted Niger for that purpose but needed proof.
During his trip to Niger , Wilson actually interviewed the former prime minister of Niger , Ibrahim Assane Mayaki. Mayaki told Wilson that in June of 1999, an Iraqi delegation expressed interest in 'expanding commercial relations' for the purposes of purchasing yellowcake.
Wilson chose to overlook Mayaki's remarks and reported to the CIA that there was no evidence of Hussein wanting to purchase yellowcake from Niger .
However, with British intelligence insisting the claim was true, President Bush used that same claim in his State of the Union address in January of 2003.
Outraged by Bush's insistence that the claim was true, Wilson wrote an op-Ed in the New York Times in the summer of 2003 slamming Bush.
Wilson did this in spite of the fact that Mayaki said Saddam did try to buy the yellowcake from Niger . The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence disagreed with Wilson and supported Mayaki's claim. This meant nothing to Wilson who was opposed to the Iraq war and thus had ulterior motives in covering up the prime minister's statements.
It was a simple tactic really. If the far-left and their friends in the media could prove Bush lied about Hussein wanting to purchase yellowcake from Niger , it would undermine President Bush's credibility and give them more cause for asking what other lies he may have told.
Yet, the real lie came from Wilson, who interpreted his own meaning from the prime minister's statements and concluded all by himself that the claim of Saddam attempting to purchase yellowcake was 'unequivocally wrong.' Curiously, the CIA sat on this information and did not inform the CIA Director, who sided with Bush on the yellowcake claim. This was made public in a bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee report in July 2004.
Valerie Plame also engaged in her own lie campaign by spreading the notion that the Bush administration outed her as a CIA agent. Never mind that it was Richard Armitage -- no friend of the Bush administration -- who leaked Plame's identity to the press. Never mind that Plame had not been in the field as a CIA agent in some six years.
The truth is, due to their opposition to the war, Joe Wilson, Valerie Plame, the mainstream media and their left-wing friends on the blogosphere engaged in a propaganda campaign to undermine the Bush administration. Now that Saddam's uranium has been made public and is no longer a threat to the world, do you think these aforementioned parties will apologize and admit they were wrong? Don't count on it. The rest of the American people should hear the truth about Saddam's uranium. It is up to you and me to inform them every chance we get.
As far as the anti-war crowd is concerned, the next time they say that, 'Bush lied,' we should tell them to, 'Have the yellowcake and eat it too.'
This story was verified, if you want to check it for yourself, click on the links below.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/u/uraniumyellowcake.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334
November 8, 2008
8:19 AM
Ben- exposer of "liberal" hypocrysy writes:
Ben @ 6:10
November 8, 2008
12:04 PM
mmmark217@q.com writes:
All you Republicans need to get over it. The people have spoken and now it's time to get behind the newly Elected President of the United States. To take a page from the Republicans let me say this. It' UnAmerican and UnPatriotic not to get Behind YOUR President.
November 8, 2008
12:05 PM
KingfishWatch writes:
The poor Aren't Poor Because Rich Are Rich; Making The Rich Poorer Doesn't Make Everyone Else Rich
Judged only by economic inequality, the financial crisis is a godsend. It will probably narrow the gap between the rich and everybody else. But what good will that do? Economic inequality also declined in the Great Depression. The country wasn't better off.
The poor aren't poor because the rich are rich. They're usually poor for their own reasons: family breakdown, low skills, destructive personal habits and plain bad luck.
And making the rich poorer doesn't make everyone else richer. Scapegoating and punishing all of the rich won't do us any good if the resulting taxes dull investment and risk-taking, discouraging economic growth that benefits everyone.
November 8, 2008
1:32 PM
LetsThink writes:
You're right KingfishWatch. I'm a little suspect of the Democrats motives. Seems like their focus is to take someone else's money.
For example, I question the motive of mmmark217@q. Why does he want us to get over it? So that we don't remind him of what he is doing????
If I recall....the Democrats have spent the past eight years whining almost every day in the Letters to the Editor....and attacking President Bush.
It sounds like they are saying, "Do as I say, and not as I do."
November 8, 2008
2:46 PM
Shaggy writes:
DEMSBETTER,
You are not blocked.
I was just having a little fun with you is all:)
I'll be nice:) :)
Here is what I think is happening and NO, I do not work for the Rocky in any way, shape or form!
If you try to post more than 1 live link at a time, the filters on the server are set up to catch it as a spam infiltrator.(these settings are adjustable to sensitivity).
If Mark or the Rocky put a block on your IP address, it would not even allow you to post no matter what protocol you were using.
And you are posting!!!!
However, I believe RTL runs on different servers than the main home page blogs but are tied in together at the main frame system so they can work in harmony...??
If they are on different servers like I suspect, the settings could be set up differently...make sense??
Have you ever had to sign into a secured web site where the letters were scrambled in different shapes and forms and then you had to type them in a box so the server on the other end recognizes you as a real person?
Same thing.
I could be wrong and Mark.W or anyone else is welcome to correct me.
But as usual, I know I'm right!!!!
November 8, 2008
3:20 PM
Ben- exposer of "liberal" hypocracy writes:
MmmmMark217 quotes
" To take a page from the Republicans let me say this. It' UnAmerican and UnPatriotic not to get Behind YOUR President."
So I take it you have been behind George Bush 100% for the last 8 years? Way to go MmmmmmmmmmmMark! (insert sarcasm)
Shaggy,
You are one truly cool dude(typical conservative) to help Demsbetter,you should be paid by the RMN. Maybe you could replace Campos or Griego? :)
November 8, 2008
4:29 PM
ML writes:
Shaggy writes, "But as usual, I know I'm right!!!!" ROFLOL!
It's good to have the old Shaggy back...the one who could laugh at himself and not take things quite so seriously. Now that the elections are over, then, let me be the first to welcome you back!
November 8, 2008
7:18 PM
Shaggy writes:
ML,
Are you better than me???
November 9, 2008
6:22 AM
ML writes:
Not at all Shaggy.
November 9, 2008
11:51 AM
KingfishWatch writes:
IF PUMPING MONEY INTO THE ECONOMY IS SO GOOD, THEN TAKING THAT VERY SAME MONEY OUT OF THE VERY SAME ECONOMY THROUGH HIGHER TAXES MUST BE BAD. RIGHT?
So why would we ever want to hike taxes? Whenever we want to damage the economy, damage jobs and damage incomes? Right?
November 9, 2008
12:22 PM
KingfishWatch writes:
How Poo Are America's Poo?
The average "poo" person, as defined by the government, has a living standard far higher than the public imagines. The following are facts about persons defined as "poo" by the Census Bureau, taken from various government reports:
1. 43% percent of all poo households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
2. 80% of poo households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36% of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
3. The typical poo American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the averagecitizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
4. Nearly three-quarters of poo households own a car; 31% own two or more cars.
5. 97% of poo households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
6. 78% percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62% have cable or satellite TV reception.
7. 89% own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.
Overall, the typical American defined as poo by the government has a car, air conditioning, a refrigerator, a stove, a clothes washer and dryer, and a microwave. He has two color televisions, cable or satellite TV reception, a VCR or DVD player, and a stereo. He is able to obtain medical care. His home is in good repair and is not overcrowded. By his own report, his family is not hungry, and he had sufficient funds in the past year to meet his family's essential needs. While this individual's life is not opulent, it is equally far from the popular images of dire poverty conveyed by the press, liberal activists, and politicians. No "Tobacco Road" or "Grapes of Wrath" playin' on their 120 inch plasmas.
November 9, 2008
12:50 PM
DEMSBETTER writes:
Shaggy,
I use far more than one computer so the logic is nice but they definitely have a block on the other stories so I cannot blog. I am glad for the civil response. I know since you love this country (as misguided as you are) that this limiting of free speech is disheartening. I think they know what they are doing on the systems. It is sad and un-American but it is their toy so if they are going to cry and take it home that is there prerogative. Here is a copy of the letter I received from the RMN staff.
“Hi, REMOVED. No comment is removed without violating the agreement. In nearly all cases, including yours, no user is banned without multiple violations. To be fair, I looked back on your posting history, and I see numerous personal attacks, evidence of spamming, etc.
In my view, we treated you very fairly.”
Notice how daring they were by not signing it. I provided a link to a Rolling Stone article on McCain and apparently I pushed whoever runs the other side over the edge. If they consider anything I said a personal attack I would wonder if they have EVER read you. I think the worst thing I ever said was a genuine concern that Gloria P needed to see a psychiatrist. Personal attacks on John McCain are probably the ones that set the RMN off. I do think McCain lost all integrity when he gave into Bush on torture and I will never change my opinion on that. The other stuff I said about McCain was factual and I will just let it rest since he will be a better ally than enemy in the senate and will go back to being the borderline Democrat he has been in the past.
On other subjects what do you hope they change in the GOP and who do you want to lead it? I hope they go back to the party of fiscal conservatives and leave us alone social values. The radical swing of the GOP to the Religious Right Wing has devalued a party with a proud history to a party defeated by historical margins. I think Schwarzenegger would be a good person for the GOP to follow. His quote he used today that the road is in the middle and the far right and the far left are in the gutter is accurate and I think he is a good face and moderate enough to be a good leader for the GOP.
November 9, 2008
12:55 PM
DEMSBETTER writes:
Crud I relaxed too much and made a grammatical error. I mean “their” not “there” in my post. The election being over is very nice.
November 9, 2008
1:04 PM
DEMSBETTER writes:
A ninny mouse at 6:10,
You forgot a link to your story:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/yellowcake.asp
The election is over. Let it go.
November 9, 2008
1:31 PM
KingfishWatch writes:
Is there a taxpayer bailout and rescue coming for BIG OIL too?
http://www.tfc-charts.w2d.com/chart/BC/W
That's BRENT...not BENT!
November 10, 2008
5:48 AM
Anonymous writes:
Demsbetter, Snopes has been dubunked as a left wing site. It won't do you any good with the people who actually understand the truth.
November 10, 2008
7:13 AM
DEMSBETTER writes:
Snopes is a left wing site? I guess the truth has a liberal bias. Snopes is far from a left wing site and that is as sad and desperate as you thinking the election is still going. I guess denial isn't a river in Egypt. You can go back to fantasy land and cry about your loss some more.
November 10, 2008
8:30 AM
Shaggy writes:
Demsbetter,
Let me ask you a question?
Your name does not stand out to me, were you posting under another name when you were blocked?
I can guarantee you the Rocky is not in cahoots with the Republicans or has it out for anyone who degrades them.
"I know since you love this country (as misguided as you are) that this limiting of free speech is disheartening."
Then you should be concerned that the Democrats would love to silence Fox news and have you noticed the guns shops breaking sales records now that Obama is the President elect?
Sounds to me like Obama doesn't believe in our Constitution.
He agreed with the hand gun ban in Washington saying it was Constitutional.
He also doesn't believe in the requirements required by the Constitution to be eligible to be President of the U.S.
November 10, 2008
8:35 AM
Anon E. Mouse writes:
Ummm...that wasn't me.
Ben: Mis-speller of "Hypocrisy" claimed it with the next post.
Paranoid/overthink much?
November 10, 2008
8:56 AM
JW writes:
Good to see you were telling the truth about getting behind Obama Shaggy...you f#$king lying sack of s&%t.
"Then you should be concerned that the Democrats would love to silence Fox news and have you noticed the guns shops breaking sales records now that Obama is the President elect?"
WTF are you talking about jackass? Silence Fox news? How?
"Sounds to me like Obama doesn't believe in our Constitution."
LOL. Where as Bush has PROVEN he doesnt. McCain has PROVEN he doesnt. And it "Sounds like Obama doesnt" because you are a hyper partisan A$$H*&E.
"He agreed with the hand gun ban in Washington saying it was Constitutional."
Untill the SCOTUS said it wasnt. Unlike you f$#kwits, when the SCOTUS rules on the constitutionallity of something, Obama accepts it. You? You think anytime a ruling goes against you its "Activist Judges", which means YOU dont support the Constitution because youre an ignorant F&*K.
"He also doesn't believe in the requirements required by the Constitution to be eligible to be President of the U.S."
LOL. "I will get behind Obama because Im a Real American"
F*&king liar.
Shaggy, you lost. Now man up and let the man work. It could be he will do a good job, and your need to suck Republican D*%k on a daily basis doesnt change that.
November 10, 2008
9:24 AM
Shaggy writes:
Like I said JW, I will continue to tell the truth about Obama.
I will get behind him just like you Loons got behind Bush.
That is if Obama actually gets sworn in without having to prove his Citizenship!
No need for your vile personal attack on me.
Grow up a little..
Aren't you suppose to be in School or something?
Act like then!
Pelosi and Obama absolutely would like to silence conservative talk radio.
November 10, 2008
9:26 AM
Shaggy writes:
"Shaggy, you lost."
All of American and American values lost.
Clean up your trashy mouth.
We've had enough listening to your trashy mouth punk!!
November 10, 2008
9:54 AM
JW writes:
"I will get behind him just like you Loons got behind Bush."
I voted Gore, then supported Bush for damn near 4 years. I only stopped when the stupidity of his policies started to be known. I sure as hell didnt call him a facist pre-05.
I supported him until 9/11, then supported him MORE. I supported him going into Iraq, and continued to do so even when WMD's werent found.
I stopped supporting him when we started to learn that he was a complete idiot, and our boys were dying because of it.
So FU chump.
"No need for your vile personal attack on me."
Actually, there was. Ive just spent the last 6 months called "Anit-American" by you and your ilk because I wanted to vote Obama. I spent like 3 years before that being called a "Traitor" for disagreeing with you f*%kwit a$$h*&es. These personal attacks are EARNED and DESERVED chump.
Again, you said you would get behind Obama. That makes you a LIAR.
You only support America when Repubs are in charge. The rest of the time you cry about how weak we are and how we are all becoming Commies. That makes you a "Fairweather American" ALL THE TIME, and an "Anti-American" whenever there is a Dem in office.
GFYS Chumpsky.
Oh, and you got your ASS kicked in this election. It wasnt just "We want Obama", it was "We are SICK AND FUCKING TIRED OF WINGNUTS".
November 10, 2008
10:44 AM
Shaggy writes:
"I voted Gore, then supported Bush for damn near 4 years. I only stopped when the stupidity of his policies started to be known. I sure as hell didnt call him a facist pre-05.
I supported him until 9/11, then supported him MORE. I supported him going into Iraq, and continued to do so even when WMD's werent found.
I stopped supporting him when we started to learn that he was a complete idiot, and our boys were dying because of it."
Sure you did, I really believe you.
The reason Obama won was because he was not vetted and was protected by the media.
He ran against Bush and repeated how horrible America has become under his rule so often that people bought into it.
He was never asked any tough questions and when he was he skirted around it and got away with it.
I am not going to say he didn't run a flawless campaign because he did and he had thousands fo ground soldiers, record amount of money, which some came from overseas and radical groups, he was protected by the media.
Basically everything possible was in his favor yet he still only got 52% of the vote so if you think he just won hands down you are an idiot.
He promised the world to many voters so lets just see how he plans to cover everyone's health care and cut the taxes to 95% of Americans.
If he can do this in a weak economy JW, I will become a believer but I don't think he can deliver on most of his promises.
He was just saying anything and everything to target votes.
Trust me on this though.
I am not going to wish him poorly, I really do hope he can turn the economy wrong and I hope he doesn't go back to being a far left Liberal.
Unlike many of the people on the left wishing for failure in Iraq and our economy so they can blame Bush.
November 10, 2008
11:06 AM
DEMSBETTER writes:
Shaggy,
I went by Big_D and DEMSBETTER. DEMSBETTER was my attempt to get around the blocking of Big_D.
As far as gun laws I hardly think it is fair to compare gun laws in D.C. with rural Wyoming and Colorado. I think you are stretching reality a bit there. As far as the gun sales go I think they are helping the economy by spending money which may buoy retail sales for the quarter.
FOX news is a propaganda station and the only thing I can see is them getting in trouble for some of the defamation they have participated in. I doubt it would silence them completely they may just have to emphasize that they are an entertainment network not a news channel. How you guys blindly follow propaganda from Murdoch is pretty sad. You do know he isn't an American don't you? He is an Aussie with a weird past and strange associations that I think may have just became a US citizen in 2000. I almost wonder if he was one of our CIA helpers that threw their election in 1968.
I see you are still on the attack. I am sorry you cannot answer a direct question about the GOP that wasn't meant to be threatening. I guess eventually the fact the election was a pounding you can get back to working on a better America instead of just pouting. I still think Arnold would be a good face for the GOP. I think Newt is pretty much done because of his affair while pursuing Clinton.
The United States will be fine under Obama and I would hope that when he starts the economy growing again you would lose your hatred for our President. How about trying to get your personal act together and taking responsibility for your actions and stop tearing down our elected leaders. I too supported Bush after the 2001 terror attacks as 96% did. The support Bush lost was all of his own doing. What about the day when Obama gets Osama? Will that change your mind?
Good luck on your recovery.
November 10, 2008
11:17 AM
JW writes:
"He ran against Bush and repeated how horrible America has become under his rule so often that people bought into it."
LOL. Either that, or he pointed out that our economy is in shambles, Afghanistan is going badly because our resources were mis-directed at Iraq, Iraq has lasted FAR longer than it should have because of early phase mis-management, and the entire world was pissed at us for being so unilateral. All of which is TRUE.
"Basically everything possible was in his favor yet he still only got 52% of the vote so if you think he just won hands down you are an idiot."
Actually, he won the biggest spread since Reagan.
"If he can do this in a weak economy JW, I will become a believer but I don't think he can deliver on most of his promises."
Thats because youre only behind America when there is a Republican in office Shaggy. When there is a Republican in office America is strong, and can do anything. When there is a Democrat...its all unrealistic promises because America is too weak to do any of it. Pathetic "Fairweather" American that you are.
"He was just saying anything and everything to target votes."
Double Standard much? EVERY candidate does that. If you really had a problem with this, you would bash Republicans for doing the same. But you dont. What you really dont like is that hes a Democrat.
"Trust me on this though.
I am not going to wish him poorly, I really do hope he can turn the economy wrong and I hope he doesn't go back to being a far left Liberal."\
As soon as you stop BASHING the man for EVERYTHING you possibly can even though he hasnt even taken office Ill buy this. Till then, youre a fucking liar Shaggy.
And hey, its EASY to prove me wrong. Just STFU with your "Commie" "Socialist" "far left" "Radical" "Terrorist" "Not really an Natural American" bs and start saying you think the guy might actually do some good. It aint that hard.
November 10, 2008
11:34 AM
Shaggy writes:
"FOX news is a propaganda station and the only thing I can see is them getting in trouble for some of the defamation they have participated in."
Fox news is the most fair out of any of them.
Please, do tell who they have unwarranted defamed.
http://www.prolifeblogs.com/articles/aggregator.php?entry=609104
The only good thing about having a weak economy right now is Obama will not be able to fulfill many of his socialistic ideas.
I also hope he doesn't downsize the Military and create a new world order with matched financing as our Military.
Obama is very dangerous and I hope he comes to his senses and doesn't rule as a puppet to the radical left.
Thank god the Democrats don't have a filibuster proof majority.
JW,
When Obama quits talking like a socialist/communist/far left loon, I will stop calling him one.
And I am still waiting for him to follow our Constitution and produce the requirements to be eligible to be President of the U.S.
How is it possible for him to be sworn in to protect the Constitution when he is avoiding it's requirements?
Why won't he produce it and put an end to all the fuss?
Why did he seal all his academic and medical records?
You see if the press would have done it's job your gal Hillary would be President.
We all know she has been vetted.
I still have no idea who Obama really is if he isn't a radical.
Everything I know about him reeks of radicalism.
Those on the left refuse to even want to know who is really is.
November 10, 2008
11:53 AM
DEMSBETTER writes:
Shaggy,
I would start with Gary Condit and work my way through Palin after they lost. They said she didn't know Africa was a continent. I would at least assume she knew that. Gary Condit was probably the worst example of their defamation. They openly accused him of murder for months. It was sad they never retracted that when Levy's body was found and the suspect was caught after assaulting other ladies in the same area.
You apparently still have a lot of pouting to do. Go buy a big box of Kleenex. That could help the economy too.
November 10, 2008
11:56 AM
JW writes:
Shaggy,
So, you admit you are a liar, and will not support Obama as you said you would.
Since you said a good American would step up and support the president, you also admit you are not a good American.
I accept your appology.
BTW,
"All of American and American values lost."
WTF are these "American Values"? I'm an American. Youre an American. Are our values the same (NOOOOOO!!!!)? What about all the different people in this country? Are all THEIR values the same? No.
This country is the most diverse country on earth. We have people from literally EVERYWHERE. Therefore, the only "American" values that exist are INDIVIDUAL values, which change from American to American. As such, we have the constitution, which protects individual freedoms so some Nazi like Shaggy doesnt come along and say "Hey! All you Americans! You all have the same values as I do now...because we just made it law!"
Damn idiots an their "American Values". Freedom you f*&kwit! That is America's VALUE. The freedom for every individual American to have their OWN values, and tell you to pound sand if you dont like it!
November 10, 2008
12:10 PM
JMH writes:
All Obama has to do is get out of Iraq and cut military spending by 25% (which we would still STILL outspend the whole world combined... sorry we don't need anymore nuke-subs and such) and we will be on the road to economic responsiblity.
Then go back to the Clinton tax codes and close all corporate loopholes (offshoring, tax breaks for companies that outsource, etc).
It will take alot of other sacrifies/heavy lifting, but certainly not undo-able! Thank God we have some adults running the show now!
As for the Republicans, sorry, they had their chance and BLEW IT!!! The MAJORITY of the American people have spoken and have sidelined the radical right for the next few years at least. I'm sure all we will get are anti-American nonsense from the NeoCons and a constant attack from all their propaganda outlets, but who cares... they are effectivly nothing more than the neighbor's yapping poddle right now - annoying but harmless! haha...
Well either be constructive and help us fix the USA or get the F*CK out of the way!!! You opinions should be valued, but your attacks and lies will just further show you have no credibility.
If the NeoCons truly knew what was best for America, we wouldn't be in this mess! This is the reason they hated Clinton (dispite the largest period of peace and prosperity)... because he was succsessful for ALL Americans, not just the super-rich & powerful (who are really where the GOP's loyalty is... not with America or average Americans)!!!
NeoCons like shagggy, your failed policies are over... deal with it! Love it or Leave It! Isn't that what you all told us?
November 10, 2008
12:18 PM
DEMSBETTER writes:
Any comment on the GOP and which way they should change Shaggy or is that still too painful? I have heard in the press the GOP is without a leader at this time.
November 10, 2008
12:24 PM
JMH writes:
Well it looks like the definition of REAL Americans isn't the same as Sarah Palin's definition... G. W. Bush is leaving office as the MOST disliked President EVER!!! I guess 76% of America are anti-American commies? haha...
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/10/bush.transition.poll/index.html
76% of Americans DISAPPROVE of G. W. Bush's job performance... 76%!!! That is 10% worse than Nixon AFTER Watergate! That is the worst mark EVER in American history.
Seems to me, all Obama has to do is the exact opposite of G. W. Bush and we should be OK! I mean, after all, if W's & the GOP's ideas actually worked (and all we have to do is look at the results to see they don't) I don't think he would leave being so dispised!
Now start the NeoCon whinning and finger-pointing... We know there will be no responsiblity taken among the NeoCon cult!
November 10, 2008
12:27 PM
JMH writes:
"Any comment on the GOP and which way they should change Shaggy or is that still too painful? I have heard in the press the GOP is without a leader at this time." - DEMSBETTER
I read somewhere that 75% of Republicans want Sarah Palin to be the leader of the GOP... I'm betting 100% of Democrats want her to be the leader of the GOP too!!! LOL!
November 10, 2008
12:53 PM
DEMSBETTER writes:
That is funny JMH. I think it would be hard to minimize the GOP worse than Palin and Bush already have. The worst president approval ratings since they started approval polls over sixty years ago. LOL
November 10, 2008
1:10 PM
jay writes:
save me jebus, is shaggy still ranting about obama's birth certificate conspiracy and the impending communism he represents??
November 10, 2008
1:57 PM
Shaggy writes:
JW,
Obama is the liar.
He is changing his promises as we speak.
His web site that told his plans and what he was campaigning on is being erased on a daily basis.
He even admitted to lying about his promise to except public funding.
He refers to his tax plan in the past tense now.
Why is that?
Because he is covering his deliberate lies he promised to get votes!
He was saying, and this is not verbatim, to George Stenopolis, that what his tax plan would have done was provide a tax break to 95% of the people.
I am so glad I don't have to worry about my mortgage or paying to put gas in my tanks or paying for health care anymore.
Because Obama and big brother are going to take care of me now.
I will even get a tax break and a check that Obamarobinhood will rob from those mean old rich people who create jobs and keep the economy flowing.
Life is good, spread the wealth, feel patriotic to pay for Socialism.
jay it is too late to save you, you are headed to hell because you hate Iraqi citizens and don't think they are worth saving!!!
November 10, 2008
2:07 PM
Shaggy writes:
If Obama came out and promised he would not raise Capital gains taxes the stock market would fair alot better if enough believed him.
The problem is he has constantly lied to us so we are left not knowing if will follow up on his promise or not.
I know if I was in the 5% and heavily invested in the stock market, I would be pulling my money out tooo before he takes office.
If he is able to produce the proper documents that is!!
November 10, 2008
4:03 PM
JW writes:
You know whats funny Shaggy? Even if Obama is perfect, even if Iraq is made totally peaceful under his watch and the dow climbs to 16000, you will STILL hate the man simply because hes a dem...and in 2012 you will vote Republican.
It really doesnt matter WHAT Obama does, you will hate it. Youre just like Hogar. The Republicans have been busy raping your wife, daughter, and dog for 8 years, and you want to shoot some Dems.
November 10, 2008
4:18 PM
Shaggy writes:
JW,
I honestly "hope" Obama surprises me and isn't a puppet to the far left who largely helped him win/steal this election!
It was sickening how biased this election turned out.
btw, It was in large part due to willful ignorance on the Democrats part that caused the mortgage crisis.
November 10, 2008
5:00 PM
DEMSBETTER writes:
Shaggy,
Still no answer for where your party is going? You seem to have a lot of vitriol but no real answers. I have little doubt why the GOP lost in a landslide with supporters like you. Most people don’t like bitter vengeful people and you’re spiraling out of control.
November 10, 2008
6:01 PM
JW writes:
Haha! Well Shaggy what can I say. Youre one STUPID MF'ER!! 8 years of Bush following 8 years of Clinton and you're so damn brain dead you want 8 more of Bush. That is reality beating you half to death and you asking it to finish the job!
November 10, 2008
6:20 PM
ML writes:
Shaggy has to be the last person in America who is still bitching about the birth certificate! ROFLMAO! I take back what I said on the other thread about there being hope for you yet. Man, you are one crazy loon.
November 10, 2008
7:25 PM
Shaggy writes:
HOLY COW, who fed the gremmlings?
ML,
Good to see you as always but I need to correct you...Loons are for Liberals!
JW,
I would like to have a beer with you too:)
Tiny _d,
I'd like to have a cold one with you as well and tell you where I would like to see where my party should go!
November 11, 2008
9:43 AM
Shaggy writes:
"Shaggy has to be the last person in America who is still bitching about the birth certificate!"
I hope I am not the only one who believes in our Constitution, but if so then so be it.
I just want to know why he won't produce it or his medical and academic records.
What is he hiding?
November 11, 2008
10:11 AM
JW writes:
"I hope I am not the only one who believes in our Constitution, but if so then so be it."
STFU Shaggy. You have no problem with illegal wiretapping or the MCA of 06. If you believe in the constitution (which would require actually learning about it first) you cannot support these things. They are TOTALLY unconstitutional.
November 11, 2008
10:25 AM
Shaggy writes:
I have no problem with our intel listening in to phone calls of people who intend us harm.
Terrorists have no rights!!!!
I do have a problem with someone deliberately ignoring our Constitution to become the President of the U.S.
Didn't Obama study the Constitution?
I have heard this but don't know because he has sealed all his past records for some reason.
November 11, 2008
10:39 AM
JW writes:
"I have no problem with our intel listening in to phone calls of people who intend us harm.
Terrorists have no rights!!!!"
First, I wouldnt either, provided they arent in America. If they are, then the authorities need a warrant. That is the constitution Shaggy. It doesnt change just because youre a pansy.
The main problem is that they arent just listening to terrorist Shaggy. They are listening to lots of people, even our soldiers talking to their wives. They are doing this without a warrant. That is unconstitutional.
So I guess the bottom line is that when you said "I hope I am not the only one who believes in our Constitution, but if so then so be it." what you really meant was "I hope I am not the only one who believes in the constitution when it suits me, but if so then so be it."
As for the rest, again, congrats on getting behind him like you said you would, LIAR.