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December 8, 2008 8:37 AM

Supreme Court won't hear 'Is Obama a citizen?' case

A Hail Mary pass from folks who would like to stop Barack Obama's move from President-elect to President of the United States has been batted down by the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court has turned down an emergency appeal from a New Jersey man who says President-elect Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because he was a British subject at birth.

The court did not comment on its order today rejecting the call by Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick, N.J., to intervene in the presidential election.

Donofrio says that since Obama had dual nationality at birth -- his mother was American and his Kenyan father at the time was a British subject -- he cannot possibly be a "natural born citizen," one of the requirements the Constitution lists for eligibility to be president.
At least one other appeal over Obama's citizenship remains at the court.

Philip J. Berg of Lafayette Hill, Pa., argues that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii as Obama says and the Hawaii secretary of state has confirmed. Berg says Obama also may be a citizen of Indonesia, where he lived as a boy.

The stories have been a staple of conservative Web sites and radio shows - most notably locally on Peter Boyles' KHOW morning show.

Alex Koppelman of Salon write about why they probably won't go away.

Yes, Obama was born in Hawaii, and yes, he is eligible to be president. But according to several experts in conspiracy theories, and in the psychology of people who believe in conspiracy theories, there's little chance those people who think Obama is barred from the presidency will ever be convinced otherwise. "There's no amount of evidence or data that will change somebody's mind," says Michael Shermer, who is the publisher of Skeptic magazine and a columnist for Scientific American, and who holds an undergraduate and a master's degree in psychology. "The more data you present a person, the more they doubt it ... Once you're committed, especially behaviorally committed or financially committed, the more impossible it becomes to change your mind."

Any inconvenient facts are irrelevant. People who believe in a conspiracy theory "develop a selective perception, their mind refuses to accept contrary evidence," Chip Berlet, a senior analyst with Political Research Associates who studies such theories, says. "As soon as you criticize a conspiracy theory, you become part of the conspiracy."

Evan Harrington, a social psychologist who is an associate professor at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology, agrees. "One of the tendencies of the conspiracy notion, the whole appeal, is that a lot of the information the believer has is secret or special," Harrington says. "The real evidence is out there, [and] you can give them all this evidence, but they'll have convenient ways to discredit [it]."

Whatever can't be ignored can be twisted to fit into the narrative; every new disclosure of something that should, by rights, end the controversy only opens up new questions, identifies new plotters. Perhaps the most common argument of those questioning Obama's eligibility is that he should just release his full, original birth certificate, rather than the shorter certification, which is a copy. His failure to do so only proves there is reason to be suspicious, they say, and if the document was released, the issue would go away. But that's unlikely. It was, after all, the Obama campaign's release of the certification this summer that stoked the fever of conspiracy mongers.

Who's behind them?

Not surprisingly, almost all of the people who've been most prominent in pushing this story have a history of conspiracist thought. There's Jerome Corsi, who's best known as the co-author of the book that launched the Swift boat vets; he's a chief proponent of the claim that the government is secretly planning to form a "North American Union" with Canada and Mexico. Philip Berg, who filed the lawsuit that had until now drawn the most public attention, is a 9/11 Truther. Andy Martin, who's credited with starting the myth that Obama is a Muslim and has been intimately involved in the birth certificate mess as well, was denied admission to the Illinois bar because of a psychiatric evaluation that showed he had "moderately severe character defect manifested by well-documented ideation with a paranoid flavor and a grandiose character." He also has a long history of anti-Semitism. Robert Schulz, who's responsible for the ads in the Tribune, is a fairly notorious tax protester. In 2007, a federal judge ordered Schulz to shutter his Web site because he and his organization were, in the words of the Justice Department's Tax Division, using the site to promote "a nationwide tax-fraud scheme."


Discussion

  • December 8, 2008

    9:17 AM

    Truth writes:

    Expecting the meltdown from Shaggy in

    3...

    2...

    1...

  • December 8, 2008

    9:19 AM

    AXJ writes:

    1. AXJ Says:
    December 8th, 2008 at 7:43 am

    The international civil and political rights organization known as AXJ asks why the Supreme Court will not review this matter. Is it up to the Electoral College and the WE THE PEOPLE Foundation? http://www.axjus.com

  • December 8, 2008

    9:22 AM

    benn writes:

    Surprise? I think not.

    Thanks for the info on the 'psychology of conspiracy theorists' as well as the history of Berg etc. who have a history of believing conspiracy theories. Good way to frame the case.

  • December 8, 2008

    9:24 AM

    Shaggy writes:

    They are scared to touch it because they know Barry does not meet the qualifications.
    That is why Barry and the DNC has spent over $500,000 fighting against providing proof.
    Barry is a phony!!
    This is not going to go away, it is just going to gain more traction the longer and harder he fights it!

  • December 8, 2008

    9:32 AM

    Robert Ripple writes:

    Unless I'm badly mistaken, any child born anywhere in the world to a US citizen qualifies for US citizenship. Obama's mother was a US citizen so it doesn't matter where he was born. Only a declared renunciation of citizenship can change that. In my 15 years of living outside the US, I know of many, many babies born to US parents and citizenship was never an issues.

  • December 8, 2008

    9:32 AM

    JW writes:

    LOL!

  • December 8, 2008

    9:37 AM

    benn writes:

    "There's no amount of evidence or data that will change somebody's mind," says Michael Shermer, who is the publisher of Skeptic magazine and a columnist for Scientific American, and who holds an undergraduate and a master's degree in psychology. "The more data you present a person, the more they doubt it ... Once you're committed, especially behaviorally committed or financially committed, the more impossible it becomes to change your mind."

    "Any inconvenient facts are irrelevant. People who believe in a conspiracy theory "develop a selective perception, their mind refuses to accept contrary evidence," Chip Berlet, a senior analyst with Political Research Associates who studies such theories, says. "As soon as you criticize a conspiracy theory, you become part of the conspiracy."

    "Evan Harrington, a social psychologist who is an associate professor at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology, agrees. "One of the tendencies of the conspiracy notion, the whole appeal, is that a lot of the information the believer has is secret or special," Harrington says. "The real evidence is out there, [and] you can give them all this evidence, but they'll have convenient ways to discredit [it]."


    All those excerpts = Shaggy

  • December 8, 2008

    9:44 AM

    Shaggy writes:

    Both Hospitals in Hawaii that once claimed Barry was born there now claim they have no records of Barry being born in Hawaii.
    Barry is a fraud and fooled all the idiots in America.

    http://www.earthfrisk.com/blog/?p=135

    "Unless I'm badly mistaken, any child born anywhere in the world to a US citizen qualifies for US citizenship."

    You are mistaken and you are not alone, the Supreme Court Justices have no idea what the Constitution says either.

  • December 8, 2008

    9:54 AM

    benn writes:

    "You are mistaken and you are not alone, the Supreme Court Justices have no idea what the Constitution says either."


    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    But you do shaggy?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    You are nuts man - pure nuts

  • December 8, 2008

    9:56 AM

    gr8fuldude writes:

    Shaggy, just for the sake of argument, suppose just for a moment that you are right, and Obama is not a citizen (And by this, I do not believe that this argument has ANY validity)...

    Do you really want Biden in the White House???
    Because that is what you will get.

  • December 8, 2008

    10:17 AM

    Steph writes:

    EVERYONE, just ignore Shaggy. He's only on here to post incendiary and ignorant postings so he'll get a kick when everyone disputes him. He has a pathetic need for attention and this is the only way he gets it.

    Don't feed this troll! IGNORE.

  • December 8, 2008

    10:21 AM

    Shaggy writes:

    Dude,
    Barry should have been vetted before Pelosi put him on the ticket.
    Pelosi should not have put him on the ticket until she was provided proof.
    It is a Constitutional disaster in the waiting.
    No I do not want Biden and beings it is the Democrats who committed fraud it should be awarded to McCain.
    Biden in no way should be rewarded for fraud committed by Barry.

    The SC is scared to tackle this 880# gorilla.
    They are a bunch of POS's not to uphold the Constitution that were sworn to and should all be impeached.

    If Barry has any respect for our Country and Constitution he should provide proof to make this go away and not cause Civil unrest.
    He won't though, he is hiding something and the longer this continues the more traction it is going to gain.
    It is simply not going to go away.

  • December 8, 2008

    10:21 AM

    Steph writes:

    People, just ignore Shaggy. He has a pathetic need for attention and the only way he seems able to get it is by posting incendiary and ignorant comments and having people react to them. I don't think he even believes everything he says, he just wants the attention and make himself feel important that he could get a rise out of someone. Please ignore this troll.

  • December 8, 2008

    10:23 AM

    JW writes:

    "Both Hospitals in Hawaii that once claimed Barry was born there now claim they have no records of Barry being born in Hawaii."

    Where did you get this lie Shaggy? The Director of Health Services, the Registrar of Vital statistics, AND The Secretary of State for Hawaii all verified he was born in Hawaii.

    "You are mistaken and you are not alone, the Supreme Court Justices have no idea what the Constitution says either."

    Hehe. Yea, they are all a bunch of liberal activist judges. ESPECIALLY Clarence Thomas and Scalia. Freaking Commies are all socialistic and stuff.

  • December 8, 2008

    10:38 AM

    JW writes:

    "No I do not want Biden and beings it is the Democrats who committed fraud it should be awarded to McCain."

    Why? He lost. In bizzaro world, where you get your way and Obama isnt viable for the office, Id say we have a Clinton Vs. McCain election. That would be fair.
    And your boy would get his ass kicked AGAIN.

    But in no way should McCain just "be awarded" the office. This election was pretty damn clear all the way around. The country doesnt WANT anymore "Republican leadership". McCain REALLY isnt constitutionally viable, because he LOST the election!

  • December 8, 2008

    10:40 AM

    Shaggy writes:

    Steph,
    Are you accustomed to posting strawman arguments or do you just like tell lies?

    Just because you don't like the truth does not mean you should ignore it and attack the messenger.
    Now go back to your cubicle and raise your hand the next time you want to spew your lies.

  • December 8, 2008

    11:28 AM

    Tree writes:

    Shaggy,

    I am willing to bet you would you be ok if Arnold Swarzenegger was propped up into office against all the rules of our land by our supreme court just the way Bush was propped up. but but but but but CCCCCCCCCCCCCClinton......fault.


  • December 8, 2008

    11:28 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    I never realized this about a black spider.

    http://quipster.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/michelle-obamas-black-widow-warning/

  • December 8, 2008

    11:34 AM

    jay writes:

    shaggy is starting to scare me a little.

  • December 8, 2008

    11:41 AM

    Shaggy writes:

    Tree, I just want the Constitution upheld is all.
    Anything wrong with that?
    Arney does not meet the requirements, just as Barry doesn't as far as I am concerned, until of course, he lays this all to rest by simply producing proof and quits fighting against it.

  • December 8, 2008

    11:51 AM

    ML writes:

    Shaggy writes, "It is simply not going to go away." It already has gone away...no court in the land wants to hear your pathetic whining any longer. Get a life, man...Obama will be the President come Jan.20 and there will be no constitutional crisis.
    Now go stock up on the tinfoil...you must be running low by now.

  • December 8, 2008

    11:55 AM

    Tree writes:

    Shaggy,

    Don't watch the Chris Rock routine on HBO this month, you'll be buying yourself a new flat screen for Christmas. That, I guarantee.

  • December 8, 2008

    11:56 AM

    benn writes:

    Jay- starting?

  • December 8, 2008

    12:21 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    "It already has gone away...no court in the land wants to hear your pathetic whining any longer."

    I agree that no court wants to touch it for fear of causing Civil unrest with the Obamamanians.
    But remember peeps, it has not been throw out on it's merits.
    However, I predict not only will it not go away it will gain traction as more and more people find out about ti.
    Unbelievable how many idiots voted for this phony not knowing anything about him.
    He still eludes today.

    Like I said, the longer Barry refuses and fights it the more guilty he looks.

    I find it disgracing that many of you could care less about protecting the integrity of the Constitution.

    Ohhh unless it involves spying on terrorists, then you all can't wait to cite the Constitution to aid in protecting them.
    Unbelievable.

  • December 8, 2008

    12:54 PM

    I know it's true because I saw it on the Internet! writes:

    I agree Shaggy. All these otehr nutters are just misled. Did you also know:

    Paying income tax is voluntary because it is not in the constitution.

    9/11 was an inside job.

    Paul McCartney died in November 1966

    The Federal Reserve is illegal.

  • December 8, 2008

    1:11 PM

  • December 8, 2008

    1:13 PM

    Tbone writes:

    Who could have ever predicted that "conservatives" would rediscover the constitution once a democrat took office?

    I mean, unconstitutional wiretapping is A-Ok with them.....as long as the person doing it has proven that they're a natural-born citizen of the USA, evidently.

  • December 8, 2008

    2:05 PM

    Big_D writes:

    I guess Shaggy missed the challenge of McCain too. So by Shaggy's theory is it the Green Party or libertarians that will win by default? What a bunch of crybabies. The Patriot Act has ripped out many protections for the public in the Constitution but they go berserk when they think some BS interpretation may help the GOP losers.

    NEWS FLASH: GOP PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE MCCAIN DEFEATED IN LANDSLIDE

    Yes McCain has lost and is still losing the 2008 election.

  • December 8, 2008

    2:18 PM

    JW writes:

    "I find it disgracing that many of you could care less about protecting the integrity of the Constitution."

    From you Shaggy, thats not a double standard. Its fucking HYPOCRISY, with a capital HYPOCRISY.

  • December 8, 2008

    2:39 PM

    jay writes:

    "an obsessive compulsion to believe, prove or re-tell a conspiracy theory may indicate one or more of several well-understood psychological conditions, and other hypothetical ones: paranoia, denial, schizophrenia, mean world syndrome."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

  • December 8, 2008

    3:31 PM

    me2 writes:

    Maybe we are addressing this from the wrong direction.

    Shaggy, how do you think all of this conspiracy was done? If you were a writer, making this into a novel, how would it start? A very young mother and a British citizen born in Kenya, have a child, somewhere in the world and start the whole process of getting him into the presidency years later.

    Countries and states, relatives and strangers, they all have a part in this conspiracy.

    Or maybe the conspiracy started years later when Obama was grown, then all the documents had to be re-done. Countries, states and an enoremous amount of people must have been involved.

    So far, not one person who was part of this action has come forward, anywhere in the world with actual proof and first person signed, notarized statements.

    They can't be fearful because the rich Republicans would protect them.

    If the conspiracy started at birth or later, how were documents altered without the authorities noticing?

    And finally, just why would someone do all this? There are many liberals who could become president, why start a global conspiracy over this particular man, way back in his teen or childhood years.

    I would really appreciate some conjecture on these points.

  • December 8, 2008

    3:32 PM

    me2 writes:

    Maybe we are addressing this from the wrong direction.

    Shaggy, how do you think all of this conspiracy was done? If you were a writer, making this into a novel, how would it start? A very young mother and a British citizen born in Kenya, have a child, somewhere in the world and start the whole process of getting him into the presidency years later.

    Countries and states, relatives and strangers, they all have a part in this conspiracy.

    Or maybe the conspiracy started years later when Obama was grown, then all the documents had to be re-done. Countries, states and an enoremous amount of people must have been involved.

    So far, not one person who was part of this action has come forward, anywhere in the world with actual proof and first person signed, notarized statements.

    They can't be fearful because the rich Republicans would protect them.

    If the conspiracy started at birth or later, how were documents altered without the authorities noticing?

    And finally, just why would someone do all this? There are many liberals who could become president, why start a global conspiracy over this particular man, way back in his teen or childhood years.

    I would really appreciate some conjecture on these points.

  • December 8, 2008

    3:36 PM

    jay writes:

    shaggy, how much of that information do you believe you're constitutionally entitled to?

    specifically.

  • December 8, 2008

    3:57 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    me2,
    Barry is the one who won't reveal the mystery regarding his past.
    He can talk without saying a damn thing and you all buy it. He has written two books, ironically about himself, yet we have no clue to who he is.
    Did you know that at his class reunion in Columbia that he supposedly graduated with, no one can recall ever knowing or seeing him, not even the Professors.


    jay, sadly the only proof he has to produce is his BC, which he consistently ignores and fights against.

    Is Barry so stupid that he would rather spend $500,000 fighting it when he could spend 12 bucks to produce it?

  • December 8, 2008

    3:57 PM

    Rocky Mountain News Blog Manager writes:

    Shaggy -
    It has come to my attention that not only do we not have a copy of your birth certificate, but the following information is also missing from your profile:

    Revocation of driver's license - Not released
    Dismissal from high school - Not released
    Dismissal from vo-tech school - Not released
    Dismissal from last five jobs - Not released
    Decree of divorce from last three wives - Not released
    Automobile repossession report - Not released
    Loss of custody of daughter - Not released
    Bankruptcy (2 instances)- Not released
    Home foreclosures (3 instances) - Not released
    DUI Arrest record - Not released
    Report of drug/alcohol treatment - Not released
    Domestic violence arrest - Not released


    Until these records are made public, we will have to ask you to stop posting at RTL.

    Thanks,
    Blog Manager

  • December 8, 2008

    4:27 PM

    me2 writes:

    Hi Jay, looks like it is just us two now. I would love the short form version of the conspiracy. It would be riveting.

  • December 8, 2008

    4:28 PM

    me2 writes:

    Hi Jay, looks like it is just us two now. I would love the short form version of the conspiracy. It would be riveting.

  • December 8, 2008

    5:05 PM

    BMACMIZZLE21 writes:

    Honestly why is this such a hot topic about Obama? It wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that he beat out McCain would it?!

  • December 8, 2008

    5:19 PM

    jay writes:

    "jay, sadly the only proof he has to produce is his BC, which he consistently ignores and fights against."

    well...we've come full circle and i believe you're still under the impression that obama hasn't produced a document from the state of hawaii that fulfills the constitution requirements to hold the office of potus.

    willful ignorance is never the answer.

  • December 8, 2008

    5:26 PM

    let the community silence shaggy writes:

    "Very typical of FemDems to want to silence the truth and inconvenient facts."

    Do you have something against females? You refer to them in a derogatory sense. FemDem. What does that mean Shaggy? To equate a female to a democrat?

  • December 8, 2008

    5:39 PM

    Observer writes:

    It means that democrats(males)need to grow a set.

  • December 8, 2008

    5:49 PM

    let the community silence shaggy writes:

    "It means that democrats(males)need to grow a set."

    And a set does what for you?

  • December 8, 2008

    6:15 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    "i believe you're still under the impression that obama hasn't produced a document from the state of hawaii that fulfills the constitution requirements to hold the office of potus."

    Wow jay, it took you this long to figure that out?
    Your a genius.
    I have made it very clear for how long now?

    Barry has not produced his BC.
    He did however provide a photo shopped one that has been debunked as a fake.


    "Do you have something against females?"

    Why is it that Liberals are so quick to want to put a label on people?

  • December 8, 2008

    6:23 PM

    let the community silence shaggy writes:

    "Why is it that Liberals are so quick to want to put a label on people?"

    WTF, you're the one labeling me a FemDem.

  • December 8, 2008

    9:11 PM

    jay writes:

    "Barry has not produced his BC.
    He did however provide a photo shopped one that has been debunked as a fake"

    this myth has been debunked, shaggy.

    are you saying that the hawaii state gov't are also in on the conspiracy? how about the FEC? the supreme court?

    you need help.

    "an obsessive compulsion to believe, prove or re-tell a conspiracy theory may indicate one or more of several well-understood psychological conditions, and other hypothetical ones: paranoia, denial, schizophrenia, mean world syndrome."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

  • December 8, 2008

    9:31 PM

    HolierThanThou writes:

    I'd like to see the conservatives continue harping on this subject. It only proves what I've been saying about them all along.

  • December 8, 2008

    9:34 PM

    Vacca writes:

    It's a bit funny that the Supreme Court is now supposed to be in on the deception when actually, they have a decided right wing slant now, after GWB's nominations.

  • December 8, 2008

    9:35 PM

    Vacca writes:

    It's a bit funny that the Supreme Court is now supposed to be in on the deception when actually, they have a decided right wing slant now, after GWB's nominations.

  • December 8, 2008

    10:38 PM

    oma writes:

    who cares? we finally have a guy who is smart, can speak english, promotes policies for the people, not his cronies, and looks like he can repair the damage done by the imbecilic bush. i don't care if he was born on mars as long as he isn't from texas.

  • December 9, 2008

    6:20 AM

    ML writes:

    Right on, Oma!

  • December 9, 2008

    8:30 AM

    Shaggy writes:

    "are you saying that the hawaii state gov't are also in on the conspiracy?"

    I have never said it is all a conspiracy jay, you are the one saying that but the answer is yes, the State of Hawaii HAS NEVER produce a copy or the original BC of Barry's.
    Barry has never produced a legitimate document.
    Can you understand that?
    Remember, we didn't have computers when Barry was born!

    The Supreme court does not even want to review this for fear of Civil unrest but it is not going to go away because Barry keeps refusing.


    "who cares?"
    I care and want to protect the integrity of the Constitution, unlike you Obamamaniacs

    "we finally have a guy who is smart, can speak english, promotes policies for the people, not his cronies"

    And just what has Barry ever done in his life that proves this ridiculous statement?
    He has never took a stance against his party and risk political career.
    Barry is the most Liberal Senator in the Senate who has voted strictly party line.
    You people are plain stupid man, you have no fricking idea about Barry's history.

    "and looks like he can repair the damage done by the imbecilic bush."

    OMG, What has Barry ever done?
    He is an empty suit who brainwashed you all by promising everything to you.
    He simply was lying and you all are still buying into even though now he is telling you he will not be able to fulfill all his empty promises.

    What a bunch of fools!!!
    Barry is nothing but a scam artist and you bit it hook line and sinker!!!

  • December 9, 2008

    8:49 AM

    Vacca writes:

    You're nothing but an idiot. Obama doesn't need to produce a birth certificate to satisfy you, nor anybody else, since he has already satisfied those people who count. There is not one shred of evidence, other than the moronic-far-right rantings of conspiracy lunatics, to suggest that his mother was ever in Kenya, let alone born there. Along with the fact that Kenya, at that time, was coming off the Mau Mau uprising, when white people were slain in droves, it is highly unlikely that she would have dared visit that country, let alone go there to give birth.

  • December 9, 2008

    8:51 AM

    Rocky Mountain News Blog Manager writes:

    Shaggy -
    It has come to my attention that some additional documents are required for your file. Please remit:

    Copies of restraining orders requested by Sarah Palin - Not released. (btw, did you know she used to be a man?)

    Membership card in the "Neocon Stooge Society (Lifetime Membership) - Not released

    Buy six, get one free card from "Big Al's House-O-Tats" - Not released

    Membership card from the Bill Saluga Fan Club - Not released

    Wyoming Huntin' & Fishin' license - Not released

    Frequent Drinker Card from the Chug-O-Lughead Saloon - Not released

    Until these documents are released (with embossed seal, validated by the secretary of state), please refrain from posting any further comments.

    Thank you,

    RTL Blog Manager

  • December 9, 2008

    9:00 AM

    jay writes:

    "the State of Hawaii HAS NEVER produce a copy or the original BC of Barry's"

    they don't have to produce an original.

    do you actually believe they do, shaggy?

    that ignorance might be the source of your tinfoil confusion on this issue.

    they provided a document that completely and legally fulfills the constitutional requirements you've been whining about for weeks.

    "an obsessive compulsion to believe, prove or re-tell a conspiracy theory may indicate one or more of several well-understood psychological conditions, and other hypothetical ones: paranoia, denial, schizophrenia, mean world syndrome."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

  • December 9, 2008

    9:18 AM

    Shaggy writes:

    "they provided a document that completely and legally fulfills the constitutional requirements you've been whining about for weeks."

    Which document is that jay?

    THEY HAVE NOT PRODUCED ANYTHING...GOT IT!!!!
    NOTHING, ZILCH, ZIP, NOTTA.....EVER!

    Did you notice the Media wouldn't dare cover this until the SC decided, w/o comment why, they will not hear this case?

    The prob lem Barry has is this is not going to go away and is going to haunt him at every turn.
    But he still refuses to provide any information of his past.

    Instead of directing your insults at me they should be directed at Barry for not simply putting this to rest.
    He's the wacko!

  • December 9, 2008

    10:22 AM

    Treasure of the Sierra Madre writes:

    Badges? We don't need to show you no stinkin badges!

  • December 9, 2008

    10:27 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    Shaggy writes, "He's the wacko!"

    BWAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!

    OMG, you are too funny!

  • December 9, 2008

    11:04 AM

    Captain Tinfoil writes:

    I am shocked, shocked to hear that SCOTUS won't hear a case that nobody gives a damn about with the exception of Shaggy.

    Shags, here's a convenient link for you:

    http://counsellingresource.com/medications/index.html

  • December 9, 2008

    11:23 AM

    bropous writes:

    Osama bin Urkel can put the entire issue to rest by releasing his OFFICIAL long-form birth certificate. He will not do so because it will prove he has no legitimate claim to the Presidency, because he was born a British citizen, or at best, had "dual citizenship." Let's not forget his nutbag mom, who pretty likely voluntarily gave up her US citizenship because of her virulent hatred for this nation (which, of course, explains why Osama bin Urkel is so comfortable with America-hating domestic terrorists like William Ayers).

    The "will of the voters" does NOT overrule the Constitution, unless you would be comfortable with a majority of voters approving the re-establishment of slavery...

    Your BOY can put the whole thing to rest, but he won't, which means he CAN'T. And you can bet your sweet bippy we conservatives will do anything we can to save this nation from this MARXIST MUSLIM FRAUD.

    Oh, and you BET I don't believe in a heartbeat that this scumbag was legitimately elected, either. ACORN lied and cheated and stuffed the ballot boxes, and Osama bin Urkel STOLE this election, plain and simple.

    The US Democrat Party, Best Friends of the Enemies of America since 1860. And now, their latest gift to the nation, an illegitimate pretender to the Presidency whose education was paid for by Islamofascists.

  • December 9, 2008

    11:37 AM

    Gunnison writes:

    Study the electoral maps of Colorado. The state is mostly red. The electoral college is flawed at the state level.If it was a county based electoral, McCain would of received 6 votes and Obama 3. How can Lincoln or Kit Carson or Baca or Powers outvote Denver county? It cannot. The popular vote was not the intention of the founders. That is why we have an electoral college. I would suggest similiar results in other states. The states did not vote in Obama, cities did.

  • December 9, 2008

    11:38 AM

    Gunnison writes:

    Study the electoral maps of Colorado. The state is mostly red. The electoral college is flawed at the state level.If it was a county based electoral, McCain would of received 6 votes and Obama 3. How can Lincoln or Kit Carson or Baca or Powers outvote Denver county? It cannot. The popular vote was not the intention of the founders. That is why we have an electoral college. I would suggest similiar results in other states. The states did not vote in Obama, cities did.

  • December 9, 2008

    11:38 AM

    Gunnison writes:

    Study the electoral maps of Colorado. The state is mostly red. The electoral college is flawed at the state level.If it was a county based electoral, McCain would of received 6 votes and Obama 3. How can Lincoln or Kit Carson or Baca or Powers outvote Denver county? It cannot. The popular vote was not the intention of the founders. That is why we have an electoral college. I would suggest similiar results in other states. The states did not vote in Obama, cities did.

  • December 9, 2008

    12:05 PM

    bropous writes:

    "gr8fuldude writes:

    "Shaggy, just for the sake of argument, suppose just for a moment that you are right, and Obama is not a citizen (And by this, I do not believe that this argument has ANY validity)...

    "Do you really want Biden in the White House???
    Because that is what you will get."

    Well, it's not about who or what we want, it is about what the Constitution says. BARRY SOTERO is NOT legitimately eligible to serve as President of the United States. Period. It doesn't matter who is set to fill the position if he is ruled ineligible, it is the LAW OF THE LAND.

    But then again, the Dems did everything they could to tarnish President Bush's LEGITIMATE election in 2000, even suing as far as the Supreme Court to have the Constitutional role of the electoral college overturned, so why not ignore the constitutional requirement for office of the President?

    Oh, and Steph, now that you can hear me: You just go and "F" yourself, you despicable, hateful bigoted little troll. One can only hope that you never procreate.

  • December 9, 2008

    12:08 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    bropous,
    Totally agree with you but you need to remember you are addressing the loons on here who could care less if Barry is a member of Al Qaida.

    For the next four years no matter how awful Barry is or how many times he lies or how many times he fails to back up his many promises to scam votes, he will be viewed by the left as the best thing that ever happened to them.

    They will begin to make up excuses for him when he preforms badly will still lay the blame on Bush.
    They simply are incapable of finding fault amongst themselves.
    Look at Chris Dodd blaming the GMC CEO for their demise yet he was in charge of Freddy and Franny claiming they were stable and blocked tougher restrictions on them.
    Yet we never hear about that...hmmm

    Trust me, you are trying to communicate with people who are literally incapable of understanding truthisms if it goes against the Democratic party or it's Politicians.

    They simply don't care about the Constitution unless it involves a Republican they suspect is violating it then they all suddenly become Constitutional worshipers.

  • December 9, 2008

    12:37 PM

    bropous writes:

    Shaggy:

    No need to remind me of the absolute lack of intellectual depth of liberals. Liberalism itself takes NO thought processes to follow, the entire "philosophy" is visceral emotion, no logic utilized. The pablum-puking posters above are case in point. Mindless followers, each and every one of them.

    You are absolutely correct that Democraps don't care a fig for the Constitution except when fabricating "penumbras of law" out of whole cloth or based on "Scottish common law" [thanks to RiNO Specter there]. Of course, they will MAKE UP LIES like "Bush trashed the Constitution" when there is NO basis in fact for the assertion, but then there is a specific question regarding Barry Hussein Sotero's being a "natural born citizen", and anyone who DARES question the Plastic Illegitimate Muslim Messiah is all of a sudden being fitted for a tin foil fedora.

    Dodd lecturing CEOs that they should be fired is as ridiculous as BDS-blinded freaks like Steph turning around attacking us for asking legitimate, Constitutional law-based questions.

    Hang in there, Shaggy. When the lunatics center the crosshairs on you repeatedly, you know you've hit bone. Good luck to you, and heaven preserve this nation until we can get rid of this fraud.

    However, let them cackle as the fox circles the henhouse; this is not the last appeal to the Supreme Court on Sotero's eligibility. This nation has NO President until Barry Hussein Sotero is removed.

    "Don't Blame Me...I Voted for Sarah!"

  • December 9, 2008

    1:07 PM

    bropous writes:

    Shaggy, we've seen it time after time. These people prove the truism" Liberalism IS a mental disorder.

    And, Mike Wolff, I take umbrage with your simplistic headline. This case was NOT about whether Obama is a citizen, the entire issue is about whether he is the SPECIFIC variety of citizen required by the United States Constitution for the office of President. I'm not attacking you or your politics, because I have no idea what party you support, but come ON. This is a specific issue that could be cleared up by The Kenyan's release of the official birth certificate, and his refusal to do so is prima facie evidence that this man has something to hide.

    Again, it amazes me the nadir to which the American media has sunk. Don't attack the cover-up, attack the attempted whistleblowers?

    Is there truly no "there" there, Mike, or is it a case of extending the cloak of invulnerabilty that the US media gifted to Barry Sotero? NO ONE can say with a straight face that The Magic Muslim ever received a true investigation by the US news media?

    Believe me, Shaggy, I know how mindless liberals truly are.

  • December 9, 2008

    1:41 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    Bropous,
    You hang in there as well.
    You are right, the more vile the left becomes and the more they want to silence us means we are touching on a sensitive nerve.
    The louder they scream the harder we need to squeeze.
    I believe it is becoming very clear that the reason Barry cannot provide us with proof is because none exists.
    I would even be happy to fork over the $12 bucks for him but he and the DNC seem stead fast to spend hundreds of thousands to fight against it.
    Which makes him look more like a fraud.

  • December 9, 2008

    1:53 PM

    Truth writes:

    I would swear that Bropussee and Shagster were the same under aliases, but Bro sounds WAY brighter than Shags could dream of on his best day. 'Course the same could be said for my Golden Retriever.

    Anyhoo, Bro, you might want to check some spelling. It's MARK Wolf there genius....

  • December 9, 2008

    2:11 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    Truth,
    Do you ever add to a blog or are you even capable?
    I might say you sound very intellect calling Sarah Palin a tranny.

    Nuff said about you..loser!!!
    Be the last time i waste a keystroke on you...idiot!

  • December 9, 2008

    2:33 PM

    JMH writes:

    OMG is this hysterical...

    I find it absolutly hilarious & hypocritical that these NeoCons NOW want to defend the constitution after 8 years of Bush and Cheney wiping their asses with it - from illegal wiretapping to putting people in jail with no charges! I could gop on and on... and these same numbnuts defended it all not based on teh constitution, but becasue they based it on that all knowing legal ruling of - they had "nothing to hide"!

    Oh and Bropous, just because you are pulling 10 cent words out of your thesaurous to try and make yourself sound intelligent, you obviously aren't... You are agreeing with shaggy of all people and he is the "court jester" of this blog... haha

    All we gotta do is mention Obama's birth certificate, illegal immigrants or Sarah Palin's hick family and then just sit back and watch him implode over his own logic... It's become so easy, it's becoming boring. But keep your little consperacy love-fest going if you like... because we all know you two are constitutional scholars and those 5 conservatives on the Supreme Court aren't (not to mention Obama himself)... LOL too funny...

  • December 9, 2008

    2:40 PM

    bropous writes:

    Well, sorry that I misreported Mr. Wolf's first name (not a misspelling, just out and out incorrect name, actually). The spelling of his last name, though, was a misspelling.

    However, since Mr. Wolf, the journalistic professional, could not even get the actual gist of this particular Supreme Court request for cert ("review" for you Obama voters) correct, we'll just call it even, n'est-ce pas?

    As far your attempted contrast regarding the relative brightness of Shaggy versus myself, let us take it as read that I would not take the word of a vegetarian that a New York Strip has better flavor and texture than a Porterhouse. Comprends-tu, m'enfant?

    Arf arf, Maitre Menteur. Shaggy, keep up the good work. We know good and well that Osama bin Urkel will be sworn in unconstitutionally. However, idiots like those above only get mad when some terrorist has his phone tapped to prevent an attack...

  • December 9, 2008

    3:15 PM

    Le Profeseur writes:

    Bro -
    vous êtes un imbécile

  • December 9, 2008

    4:04 PM

    bropous writes:

    "Professeur" [snort]:

    Vos mama et papa cette vos frere et soeur, mais cette un exemple parfait et typique des poseurs et l'adorateurs d'Osama bin Urkel. Tete le merde. Petit fille.

  • December 9, 2008

    4:11 PM

    JW writes:

    "However, idiots like those above only get mad when some terrorist has his phone tapped to prevent an attack..."

    when youre argument relies on a strawman fallacy...you probably shouldnt present it.


    God damn you wingnuts are stupid. Spewing a bit of French doesnt change it. Rank partisan loyalty of the kind you engage in turns your brain OFF half the time, and its apparent EVERYTIME you idiots post.

    The funny part of this is that you use a strawman fallacy to blow off the very real constitutional infringement represented by illegally tapping American's phones, yet rabidly propogate the idea that Obama is not a "Natural Citizen" of the USA based on pure hearsay and a fundamental unwillingness to deal with reality.

    Its INSANE.

  • December 9, 2008

    4:12 PM

    Ben- writes:

    Brophus@ 1:07 I concur. It is a mental disorder.

    Shaggy, I'll pitch in some money so bammy can buy a BC too. The real one though.....

  • December 9, 2008

    4:20 PM

    Le Profeseur writes:

    Broppy -
    vous êtes une verrue rectale

  • December 9, 2008

    4:34 PM

    Big_D writes:

    Gunnison,

    Rural Colorado is red. The metropolitan areas are overwhelmingly blue except Douglas. That is why Obama won Colorado. Your list of people you question Lincoln, Kit Carson, Baca, and Powers are the GOP. Larimer, Adams, etc. are Democrats this time.

  • December 9, 2008

    4:41 PM

    Truth writes:

    Well, I guess we won't be hearing from Shags or Bropy anytime tomorrow. Enjoy the day off ladies! Any big plans? Maybe getting your hair/nails done? Going to lunch together? Buying some home decor?

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/09/craig.gay.marriage/index.html

  • December 9, 2008

    4:52 PM

    Tbone writes:

    Here's all you need to know about bropous:

    "Don't Blame Me...I Voted for Sarah!"

    Yes. He actually said that.

  • December 9, 2008

    5:45 PM

    ML writes:

    And wasn't it Shaggy himself who stated right after the election that he would get behind this president-elect and support him? Looks like you got yourself a fellow hypocrite there in Bropous, Shaggy.
    You boys needs some more tin foil?

  • December 9, 2008

    5:49 PM

    jay writes:

    i still can't believe you wingnuts are still grinding on this conspiracy theory.

  • December 9, 2008

    5:57 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    ML,
    I can't get behind someone IF they are in violation of the Constitution after getting sworn in to uphold and protect it?
    That is what would make me and anyone else who supports him a hypocrite.

    I wonder how much it costs to get a copy of ones BC in Kenya?

  • December 9, 2008

    11:08 PM

    peterpi writes:

    12/9 11:23 Bropous wrote "Your BOY can put the whole thing to rest, but he won't, which means he CAN'T."
    Anyone over 50, anyone who has ever studied any history at all of the United States, would NEVER put "boy" and Barack Obama together in the same sentence.

    Bropous, you may find this hard to believe, but it is possible to disagree with Barack Obama without coming off like Bull Connor and Strom Thurmond combined.

  • December 10, 2008

    6:55 AM

    bropous writes:

    Peterpi: Get over it, I used BOY and Obama in the same sentence because that is exactly what he is: A BOY. NO EXPERIENCE. Never held a real job in his entire life. A BOY. Deal with it. You want to throw some racist slant, that's your problem.

    And yes, I am DAMN proud that I voted for Sarah Palin, and will be DAMN proud to vote for her again. You don't like her, fine. She speaks for me, and I am happy to say so.

    As for the whining about conspiracy theories, let's just think for half a mo if the roles were switched and it were a Republican who were under the gun for not being a "Natural Born Citizen" as the CONSTITUTION REQUIRES (JFC, when in the heck in this bizarro world did it become tin foil hat conspiracy time to uphold the United States Constitution?). Frankly, you lunatics like jay and half-truth would be screeching to the high heavens and teetering on your high heels with a case of the vapors. However, the big difference is, a lot of Republicans would be screaming as well.

    And therein lies the rub: Republicans support the Constitution as it is written, and Democrats will suborn the Constitution whenever it suits their political purpose. Period.

    Osama bin Urkel is NOT a Natural born US Citizen, and is therefore ineligible for the office of the Presidency.

    Oh, and ML, I NEVER said I would support this fraud, capiche? I have held to my principles, and this BOY is an illegitimate usurper.

  • December 10, 2008

    8:12 AM

    JW writes:

    "As for the whining about conspiracy theories, let's just think for half a mo if the roles were switched and it were a Republican who were under the gun for not being a "Natural Born Citizen" as the CONSTITUTION REQUIRES (JFC, when in the heck in this bizarro world did it become tin foil hat conspiracy time to uphold the United States Constitution?). Frankly, you lunatics like jay and half-truth would be screeching to the high heavens and teetering on your high heels with a case of the vapors. However, the big difference is, a lot of Republicans would be screaming as well."

    Bullshit. None of you screamed when John McCains "Natural Citizen" status was in question.

    "Osama bin Urkel is NOT a Natural born US Citizen, and is therefore ineligible for the office of the Presidency."

    How do you define "Natural Citizen"? I'll tell you this much; Your definition is NOT THE ONE IN THE CONSTITUTION if you really believe the CRAP you are posting.

    "And yes, I am DAMN proud that I voted for Sarah Palin, and will be DAMN proud to vote for her again. You don't like her, fine. She speaks for me, and I am happy to say so."

    Gota love that, right on the heels of calling Obama a "Boy" because he "Has no experience, never had a real job, blah blah blah". Do you intentionally work at having a double standard, or are you just so stupid you dont realize you have one?

    And again, this cry of "Liberals only support the constitution when they want to" because they wont get behind this idiocy rings pretty damn hollow from the "go ahead and tap my phone, torture, and detain people indefinitely without access to the evidence against them and legal council" right. You f*#kwits scream about Obama when any reasonable person who's done just a TINY bit of research knows the man was born in Hawaii, but real subversion of constitutional rights you just blow off because they are perpetrated by Republicans. PATHETIC.

    Torture, illegal wiretaping, and denial of constitutional rights to habeus corpus and a speedy trial have happened. The MCA of 06 WAS SIGNED INTO LAW (McCain voted for it). These things are REAL, not stupid imagination. You not understanding that people have verified the legitimacy of Obama's BC IN PERSON is just bullshit.

  • December 10, 2008

    8:55 AM

    Truth writes:

    Hey look, Bropy really is going to stay home today, though they spelled her name incorrectly:

    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/18239999/detail.html

  • December 10, 2008

    8:58 AM

    Shaggy writes:

    Truth,
    Sounds to me like you are the one who thinks of yourself as tough by calling Sarah a tranny idiot.
    I bet you drive a big truck to don't ya little man?
    Little punks like you need a little hard knock Schooling, my guess is Sarah would have no problem making Moose burger out of you.


    bropous,
    Isn't it amazing how the Obamamaniacs think the plastic messiah is going to solve all the Worlds problems yet the "boy" has never accomplished anything in his life that wasn't about him personally.
    He is nothing but a career Politican just like the people he appointed in his cabinet.
    Change? Yea right!
    The "boy" is nothing more than a radical criminal Chicago Politician.

  • December 10, 2008

    9:02 AM

    Shaggy writes:

    So now Truth hates gays, women and transsexuals.

    Must be a confused Liberal who doesn't know he is supposed to support these groups.

    You are embarrassing yourself..punk!

  • December 10, 2008

    9:18 AM

    JMH writes:

    "I can't get behind someone IF they are in violation of the Constitution after getting sworn in to uphold and protect it?
    That is what would make me and anyone else who supports him a hypocrite." - shaggy


    LOL... Thanks for proving our point shaggy... You are a hypocrite! Most of us have been pointing this out for some time now... Bush did EXACTLY this with the illegal wire-tapping, using torture and by denying Habeaus Corpus to people! But he is a Republican, so it's all OK in your narrow mind... LOL

    You nitwits don't give a damn about the constitution, your just hoping for a reversal of the election on a technicality! If you did, you would never have supported a clear violation of the 4th admendment such as wire tapping without a warrant among the other violations of the constitution committed under this disaterous administration.

    Oh and Brophous... it is just a mind numbing twist of logic to hear to say Obama has no expierence and then say you support Sarah Palin of all people... just priceless... LOL You nuts become irrelevant by the hour. Is it January 20th yet?

  • December 10, 2008

    10:05 AM

    Mojambo writes:

    JMH

    If your point is valid then are you not a hypocrite of the same variety for accepting a potential consitutional violation on the one hand, and considering a potential violation on the other as mere "technicality?"

  • December 10, 2008

    10:17 AM

    mojambo writes:

    typo....

    ...for being outraged at a potential consitutional violation on the one hand, and considering a potential violoing on the other as mere "technicality."

  • December 10, 2008

    1:35 PM

    peterpi writes:

    shaggy writes "So now Truth hates gays, women and transsexuals."

    shaggy, haven't LetsThink, Jimminy, and Yankee been saying that for months, LOL
    Thanks for the humor :-)

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