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February 24, 2009 8:00 PM

What did you think of President Obama's speech?

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President Barack Obama pitched a tone of realistic optimism to the American public in his first address to Congress.

Obama promised a nation shuddering in economic crisis Tuesday night that he would lead it from a dire "day of reckoning" to a brighter future, summoning politicians and public alike to shoulder responsibility for hard choices and shared sacrifice.

"The time to take charge of our future is here," Obama declared, delivering his first address to a joint session of Congress.

Offering words of reassurance to an anxious nation, he declared, "Tonight I want every American to know this: We will rebuild, we will recover, and the United States of America will emerge stronger than before."

"We are a nation that has seen promise and peril," he said. "Now we must be that nation again."

Cheered robustly as he entered the House chamber, Obama grinned, shook hands and kissed lawmakers and stopped for a lengthy embrace with Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, back on the bench only this week after surgery for pancreatic cancer.

To deal with the current crisis, deepening each day, the president said more money will be needed to rescue troubled banks beyond the $700 billion already committed last year. He said he knows that bailout billions for banks are unpopular -- "I promise you, I get it," he said -- but he also insisted that was the only way to get credit moving again to households and businesses, the lifeblood of the American economy.

What did you think of the speech? Did the President hit the right tone? Too optimistic? Not optimistic enough? Will he be able to rally the country behind his program? How about Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindahl's response?



Discussion

  • February 24, 2009

    9:20 PM

    KW writes:

    Four quotes that bothered me the most:

    "Free flowing credit is the backbone of this country"

    I thought living within your means as the people of this country did for a couple centuries was the backbone.

    "Relief for those who have saved but cannot find a mortgage to buy a home will find new resources to make the dream a reality."

    Currently, a decent (650+ fico) score will qualify you for an FHA 95% loan to value mortgage. If these folks have been saving, yet have such poor credit as to not qualify for the easiest mortgage ever invented for the working class, I'm not confident re extending new mortgages to these folks is the best idea for economic recovery in the housing sector. As a matter of fact, these same people are the largest problem the banks are having today with bad loans.

    "The need for expediency in passing this legislation was crucial for the economic recovery of this nation."

    Yet in the next breath...

    "A bill of this size and magnitude must be carefully implemented to ensure effectiveness in achieving its goals"

    This from the man who spent more time walking between the door and the podium tonight than he allowed for scrutinizing the waste attached to the spending bill.

    I listened carefully, but this sales pitch was nothing more than the rehashed version of the same speech he's been giving since his inauguration. And I predict the modest gains witnessed today in the stock market will by noon tomorrow up and disappear quicker than a nasty fart in a high wind.

  • February 25, 2009

    6:13 AM

    LetsThink writes:

    I was enthralled by President Obama's speaking skills. And his speech writer has to be one of the best that exists.

    President Obama almost convinced us that by simply taxing 2% of the population the rest of us could enjoy 1) tax cuts, 2) free college education, 3) free health care, 4) extended unemployment benefits, 5) better roads and bridges, 6) solar panels on every roof.......(the list of goodies went on and on).

    Nancy Pelosi jumped up and down, and clapped enthusiastically for everything he said. Who wouldn't become excited?

    But then I awoke from the trance and realized that this is a 'Hollywood' production; not reality.

    What a letdown.

  • February 25, 2009

    6:32 AM

    Joe writes:

    His grasp of the facts and use of the language were great to see after the mumbled platitudes, butchered language and outright lies of the last eight years.

    I am beginning to recognize my country again.

  • February 25, 2009

    6:40 AM

    Joe writes:

    His grasp of the facts and use of the language were great to see after the mumbled platitudes, butchered language and outright lies of the last eight years.

    I am beginning to recognize my country again.

  • February 25, 2009

    6:49 AM

    SockRayBlue writes:

    Blah, blah, blah, blah and blah. Same old stuff and same old politicians. Just another suit.

    You can't spend your way out of a hole.

  • February 25, 2009

    7:08 AM

    Joe the plumber writes:

    Very disappointing very disappointing.

    I wanted to hear more about the axis of evil
    and yellow cake stories.

  • February 25, 2009

    7:24 AM

    rusober writes:

    Just another empty suit speech by a guy who is to stupid to write his own speeches and has some cracker jack doing it for him. I bet Obummer gets up every morning and thanks the prompter for being there and not failing.
    This guy is a joke and has led the American people down a path that may not get reversed. Time to impeach this guy. Not an American, no good for democracy and a Muslim to boot.

  • February 25, 2009

    7:28 AM

    Brunowolfe writes:

    A President with leadership, vision, and oratory skills. Puts the past 8 years into perspective, doesn't it.
    It took 8 years of completely inept, buisness first leadership to get us into this dissaster. And you GOPers want to have more of that? I would ask you simply to review the classical, cliche definition of "insanity"...

  • February 25, 2009

    7:34 AM

    Truth writes:

    RUSober - Boy aren't you right! And he never showed ANYONE his birth certificate! Guy was probably never even born, which is why he doesn't have one!

    Retard!

  • February 25, 2009

    8:01 AM

    KW writes:

    TITLE OF THE THREAD:

    'What did you think of President Obama's speech?'

    I don't see anything there about asking anyone what they think of Bush.

    But what's telling is the posts from Obama fans. They haven't any positive comments to make about the content of Obama's sales pitch, only blah, blah, blah Bush, blah, blah past eight years, blah blah.

    That kinda tell the whole story right there, doesn't it?

  • February 25, 2009

    8:19 AM

    JW writes:

    Didnt get to hear the speech but I heard some of Jindal's rebuttal this morning.

    "Republicans were elected to be the party of fiscal responsibility. Instead Republicans WENT ALONG with earmarks and irresponsible spending for the last 8 years.


    Hehe, standard bs. Went along did you Bobby? Seems to me like you led the way.

    KW,

    You do understand that PASSAGE of a bill and IMPLEMENTATION of the policies in that bill are two different things, right?

    Besides, what do you bother commenting for? Youre a wingnut. It doesnt matter WHAT Obama does. Hell, he could probably do everything that a Republican would do and you would STILL bitch.

    Wait a minuet!

    Thats pretty much what the guy HAS done! Hes following the Reagan plan for pulling us out of a recession (tax cuts and government spending).

    So, your hero Reagan did it, and he became your hero. Obama does it, and you bitch. (Remind you of how you hate Clinton because he lied about a BJ, but still love Reagan even though he did the same thing only it was about selling arms to IRAN!?)

    Thats called a double standard, and it makes everything you say worthless.

    But then, you knew that.

  • February 25, 2009

    8:32 AM

    SASQUATCH writes:

    BORING, WE HEARD IT ALL BEFORE--DJIA DOWN 160

    Same old doom and gloom with crisis and more crisis. He has been been giving esentially the very speech for 2 years now, when he was campaigning. and today he's still giving it--same themes, same sentences, same words. His delivery was fine, but after 100 deliveries it should be nothing less. And it took him 70 minutes with nothing new, no details, no specifics, no strategy--how, where, when or why with expected results. Vacant and empty--very pedestrian and very stale.

    He should have spent at least half the time--35 minutes--on how we fix the problems--financials, credit markets, nortgages and housing. We got no specifics, no plans no details.

    Bernanke poped the DJIA 235 yesterday when he expressed reasonable confidence of a recovery by year-end--and Obama's stale old bowl of "feel-good" chicken soup is taking it all away.

  • February 25, 2009

    8:34 AM

    Shaggy writes:

    He reads a pre written prep speech well but it was just more empty words and false promises.
    I am sure it was quite titillating for his groupies.

    How are the markets reacting?
    Down 125 points right off the get go.

    He needs to start being responsible and quit blaming Bush, it has become too repetitious.
    The fizzle is quickly becoming flat and boring.


    "It took 8 years of completely inept, buisness first leadership to get us into this dissaster."

    Why are you femdems so consistently stupid?
    The GOP did not encourage freddy and franny to loan out sub prime loans.
    The GOP did not create high Union wages making American Autos unable to compete.

  • February 25, 2009

    8:59 AM

    SASQUAYCH writes:

    OBAMA IS BEGINNING TO SOUND INCREASINGLY CANNED AND REHEARSED. Its alway's the very same old big-picture "feel good"--jobs for everybody, free healthcare, free education, green windmills, global warming, etc. He never seems to offer new facts, new data, new infomation, new strategies and new plans regarding the fixing of today's problems.

    I am getting very suspicious that he has little command of what going on now and rather talk about 2020 because he knows that he puts nothing on the table for 2009-2010.

    His newly adopted creat or "SAVE" 3.5 million (down from 4 million) jobs suggests that he knows that he may not CREATE one single new job in 2009-2010. The consensus unempliyment number is 9% by yearend, up from 7.6% today--and he knows that the former is a good number. By 2010, Obama will claim to have SAVED, not CREATED.

    This is very weak chicken soup combined with a very slick presentation--no chicken and lots of water but packaged sold like its a panacea/cure-all. Form over content.

  • February 25, 2009

    9:09 AM

    JW writes:

    "The weight of this crisis will not determine the destiny of this nation. The answers to our problems don't lie beyond our reach. They exist in our laboratories and our universities; in our fields and our factories; in the imaginations of our entrepreneurs and the pride of the hardest-working people on Earth. Those qualities that have made America the greatest force of progress and prosperity in human history we still possess in ample measure. What is required now is for this country to pull together, confront boldly the challenges we face, and take responsibility for our future once more. "


    Guy is right. We ARE the baddest MF'ers on this planet. We dont need to be afraid. We dont need to bitch and moan about what we CANT do. We CAN do anything. And Republicans better think about that, becasue THIS message is the one we need to hear.

    "In other words, we have lived through an era where too often short-term gains were prized over long-term prosperity; where we failed to look beyond the next payment, the next quarter, or the next election."

    Story of the Republican playbook, and why it fails. You cannot mortgage the future for political gain though tax cuts and irresponsible spending. THIS type of economy is the result, EVERY TIME.


    "I have told each of my Cabinet, as well as mayors and governors across the country, that they will be held accountable by me and the American people for every dollar they spend. I've appointed a proven and aggressive Inspector General to ferret out any and all cases of waste and fraud. And we have created a new website called recovery.gov so that every American can find out how and where their money is being spent."

    Its ABOUT TIME!

    "the flow of credit is the lifeblood of our economy. The ability to get a loan is how you finance the purchase of everything from a home to a car to a college education, how stores stock their shelves, farms buy equipment, and businesses make payroll. "

    This is exactly right, regardless of what some idiot wingnut thinks.


    "This is a cost that now causes a bankruptcy in America every 30 seconds. By the end of the year, it could cause 1.5 million Americans to lose their homes. In the last eight years, premiums have grown four times faster than wages. And in each of these years, 1 million more Americans have lost their health insurance. It is one of the major reasons why small businesses close their doors and corporations ship jobs overseas. And it's one of the largest and fastest-growing parts of our budget. "

    And chances, unfortunately, are that idiot wingnuts will derail this inititave too. Or maybe not. Maybe the contry has finally gotten sick of "no we cant" and will let this guy work.


    "In a global economy where the most valuable skill you can sell is your knowledge, a good education is no longer just a pathway to opportunity -- it is a prerequisite. "

    This isnt up for argument. The stats dont lie. The higher the average level of education a society has, the higher their standard of living. DEAL WITH IT.

    "So tonight, I ask every American to commit to at least one year or more of higher education or career training."

    If only.

    "This can be community college or a four-year school; vocational training or an apprenticeship. But whatever the training may be, every American will need to get more than a high school diploma. And dropping out of high school is no longer an option. It's not just quitting on yourself, it's quitting on your country -- and this country needs and values the talents of every American."


    Or dont, and we can watch China, India, Europe and Russia drive the future.

    "By 2020, America will once again have the highest proportion of college graduates in the world."

    If we want to stay the world's leader, we dont have any other option.

    "In this budget -- in this budget, we will end education programs that don't work and end direct payments to large agribusiness that don't need them. (Applause.) We'll eliminate -- we'll eliminate the no-bid contracts that have wasted billions in Iraq -- (applause) -- and reform -- and -- and reform our defense budget so that we're not paying for Cold War-era weapons systems we don't use. (Applause.) We will -- we will root out -- we will root out the waste and fraud and abuse in our Medicare program that doesn't make our seniors any healthier. We will restore a sense of fairness and balance to our tax code by finally ending the tax breaks for corporations that ship our jobs overseas."


    I like all this but the last. We should end tax breaks for ALL companies by ending taxes PERIOD on ALL companies.

    Anyway, you wingnuts can whine about all this, but its not "a 'Hollywood' production". Its REALITY, and it is NECESSARY if we want to continue to be competitive in this world. We cannot compete with China and India if all we have to offer is High School educated handymen. We cant compete with 3 million college graduates out of EACH of those countries when we only graduate half that number. We cannot continue to mortgage our future with tax cuts for everyone and spending on deficit becaue Republicans know it gets them elected. We MUST become tougher, smarter, and faster, and obstructionism isnt gona cut it.

    You dont like these policies? Fine. Vote your conscious. But if youre really going to whine that they are foolish and wont work, GIVE US SOMETHING BETTER. Unlike Republicans in the past, THIS President has PROVEN hes willing to work with you.

  • February 25, 2009

    9:10 AM

    prima facie writes:

    Just another campaign speech from The Obama. Nothing presidential about it. Promises on what to do with someone else's money, money that apparently the government can spend more effectively that you can. Another lecture on how Americans aren't good enough to clear their own hurdles without Uncle Sam's guiding hand.

    Then there were the fatherly words from our Parent in Chief about reading to our children instead of playing video games. Did you feel a chill up your leg?

    But as The Obama tries to micromanage the economy “because we cannot consign our nation to an open-ended recession,� he merely proposes an open-ended checkbook. His solutions start with a pile of cash from thin air and then platitudes about “What is required now for this country is to pull together."

    The Obama is right about one thing: The “day of reckoning� has arrived. I reckon we're in trouble.

  • February 25, 2009

    9:17 AM

    SASQUATCH writes:

    But I loved Nancy Pelosi, wearing her weird green Star-Trek outfit while doing her "jack in the box" routine when she wasn't picking on her teeth. What was that all about? Did this grandma have Texas fire-ants in her panty-hose?

  • February 25, 2009

    9:22 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    Obama is a master of platitudes.
    Just words, just speeches, no substance.
    Yaaawwwwnnnn........

  • February 25, 2009

    9:54 AM

    JMH writes:

    The stench of fear from the NeoCons is amazing this morning...

    They know this guy is "the goods" and it scares them to death!!!

    Obama was just excellent last night and this speech will go down as his version of Reagan's "Morning in America".

    ...and that is what terrifies the NeoCon's! They know this guy is smart, has a firm understanding of what needs to be done and he connects with the American people! Large majorities support Obama & his plans to fix this and his vision going forward.

    The NeoCons better learn from their mistakes soon or they will be IRRELAVANT for a long, long time! But they seem to never be able to admit mistakes or take accountablity for anything! From the daily drivel from the usual "failure monkeys" on this blog, it seems they will still stay brainwashed and will be unable to see their failures... but it seems the American people DO!

    From polls released yesterday - I put the links on other posts - Obama's approval ratings are in the high 60's, about 62% support his recovery / stimulus plans and almost 80% think the GOP should try to work more with Obama and are seeing that GOP just is giving them "more of the same"!

    Makes me laugh that the NeoCons still think they know what they are talking about after screwing everything up when given total power and after the American people have regulated them to "IRRELAVANT" these last 2 elections...

    This is why the NEOCONS HATE OBAMA... becasue they know the only way "their team" will regain any say is if Obama fails - and they don't care that most fellow Americans will go down with him. But they fear him like they feared Clinton, beacase they know, deep down, he will succeed!

    Party over Country as always... but I don't care, they have already lost power and will lose more if they keep it up. The American people are paying attention and they aint buying your same ol' stuff that got us here in the first place!

    I will now return you to the pathetic drivel & whinning of the loud but increasingly smaller radical American hating NeoCon cult! Squak away losers! LOL...


  • February 25, 2009

    10:21 AM

    Shaggy writes:

    He wants to cut the deficit in half.
    That means we will be back to where we were before he created the Porkulus spending program.
    What an idiot.

    "The problem with Socialism is eventually you run out of other peoples money"---Margaret Thatcher

    I sure hope the 5% he plans on raising taxes on can support the 95% he plans on giving tax cuts too.
    hehehe

    But who is left to pay for nationalized HC and his socialist welfare programs?

  • February 25, 2009

    10:23 AM

    history buff writes:

    I'm with the 90% who thought it was an excellent speech. I feel like I have my country back. The 10% who are miserable and want Obama to fail can go to hell. They won't be happy unless everyone is as miserable as they are.

  • February 25, 2009

    10:24 AM

    Tbone writes:

    I thought it was quite telling when the republicants refused to applaud when Obama mentioned covering children's health programs through the expansion of SCHIP.

    Why do they hate having healthy children?

  • February 25, 2009

    10:25 AM

    Tired of the GOP writes:

    Survey Reveals Broad Support for President

    President Obama is benefiting from remarkably high levels of optimism and confidence among Americans about his leadership, providing him with substantial political clout as he confronts the nation’s economic challenges and opposition from nearly all Republicans in Congress, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

    A majority of people surveyed in both parties said Mr. Obama was striving to work in a bipartisan way, but most faulted Republicans for their response to the president, saying the party had objected to the $787 billion economic stimulus plan for political reasons. Most said Mr. Obama should pursue the priorities he campaigned on, the poll found, rather than seek middle ground with Republicans.

    Most Americans said the president was trying to make good on his promise to bridge the partisan divide. About three-quarters, including 6 in 10 Republicans, said Mr. Obama had been trying to work with Republicans. But only 3 in 10 Americans said Republicans were doing the same.

    On the economic stimulus plan, 63 percent of poll respondents said Republicans opposed the legislation for political reasons, not policy ones. 79 percent said Republicans should now be working in a bipartisan manner rather than holding fast with their policies.

    But 56 percent of those surveyed said Mr. Obama’s priority should be following the policies he proposed during the campaign last year, rather than working with Republicans.

  • February 25, 2009

    10:29 AM

    KW writes:

    How old is JMH anyways? Any guesses?

  • February 25, 2009

    10:38 AM

    gr8fuldude writes:

    Things I am thinking this morning:

    Obama is the real deal, which is why the right is squirming.
    Chrissie Hynde can still bring it at 57, even if the best of the catalog is left out.
    Sasquatch needs to get laid more.
    We're still the best nation on the face of the Earth.
    Obama gets it in terms of higher education, and this NEEDS to be a recurring theme. Get on that bus, or be left behind.

    And that sleep can be highly underrated, but a good time cannot be.

  • February 25, 2009

    10:45 AM

    GenBalthus writes:

    I have heard more sense made by a plate of beans navigating its way through a cow's digestive system.

    But, then again, the end product of a cow's digestive process is just another huge steaming smelly pile of Osamabama.

  • February 25, 2009

    10:45 AM

    JMH writes:

    37 years old KW!

    Don't attack the messanger you stuborn old man... I realize like most old people, you are probably set in your ways and change scares you and EVERYTHING was just better back in the "old days"... blah, blah, blah...

    But the fact that you and the rest of your cult just pimp the same old tired arguements, ideas and steriotypes makes me wonder if you are just afraid that the times have passed you by?

    Don't be afraid... it's never too late to learn something new. Just open your eyes and try to understand that the world has changed and your ideas just don't work anymore (and really never did)... It's not a personal attack, just the facts!

    How old are you? My 2 year old is able to learn from his mistakes, you don't... why is that? LOL... Grow up already!

    My 2 year old understands that when a square peg doesn't fit into a round hole, he should maybe try another peg! Why do you keep trying to slam that same square peg into that round whole again and again?

    I do expect that behavior from a simpletons like shaggy & Charlie Brown... I always thought you were just a bit more intelligent than that... just stubborn.... I guess I may have been wrong!

  • February 25, 2009

    10:50 AM

    Anonymous writes:

    Bubby Jindal republican response.

    http://www.solarnavigator.net/images/titanic_sinking_atlantic.jpg

  • February 25, 2009

    10:53 AM

    am 760 writes:

    I believe JMH is 45 or 47, why. The truth is the truth no matter your age.
    Whats your messiah rush telling you to parrot today. To funny when the gop gets its talking points from rush, why don't they run him.

    Jindals reply was pathetic. "We believe in the American people, not the government." Ah, than why are you working in the government. If you don't believe in government and think our government sucks why are you employeed by the government. Total contradiction from the right as usual.

    Obama makes you proud to be an american again. He's smart, articulate, caring, compassionate, and wants to do whats best for the american people, not his party. pubs are only interested in power, not the good of the people.

  • February 25, 2009

    10:54 AM

    Shaggy writes:

    "The 10% who are miserable and want Obama to fail can go to hell."

    For all of you that want to turn America into a welfare Socialist Europe can go to hell.

    Please do tell where you got the 90% from, same place Barry got that we have 57 states?...too funny.


    "Most Americans said the president was trying to make good on his promise to bridge the partisan divide. About three-quarters, including 6 in 10 Republicans, said Mr. Obama had been trying to work with Republicans. But only 3 in 10 Americans said Republicans were doing the same."

    Where in the hell do you loons come up with this garble? Moveon.org? Loonyville?
    Barry and the rest of the Democrats didn't even give the Republicans a chance to help draft the porkulus.
    The stupidity of the left is astonishing.

    I bet you think the GOP caused the mortgage melt down too?
    Idiots!

  • February 25, 2009

    10:55 AM

    history buff writes:

    I liked how rhetoric was balanced with human examples, mentioning that Minneapolis will not have to lay off members of its police force. For the people who are not paying attention, the drug war in Mexico is seeping into the US. A power vacuum in law enforcement would give the Mexican drug cartels an opportunity to gain more than a foothold in our country. This is a greater problem than terrorism and we all need to be aware of it.

  • February 25, 2009

    10:56 AM

    JMH writes:

    37 years old KW!

    Don't attack the messanger you stuborn old man... I realize like most old people, you are probably set in your ways and change scares you and EVERYTHING was just better back in the "old days"... blah, blah, blah...

    But the fact that you and the rest of your cult just pimp the same old tired arguements, ideas and steriotypes makes me wonder if you are just afraid that the times have passed you by?

    Don't be afraid... it's never too late to learn something new. Just open your eyes and try to understand that the world has changed and your ideas just don't work anymore (and really never did)... It's not a personal attack, just the facts!

    How old are you? My 2 year old is able to learn from his mistakes, you don't... why is that? LOL... Grow up already!

    My 2 year old understands that when a square peg doesn't fit into a round hole, he should maybe try another peg! Why do you keep trying to slam that same square peg into that round whole again and again?

    I do expect that behavior from a simpletons like shaggy & Charlie Brown... I always thought you were just a bit more intelligent than that... just stubborn.... I guess I may have been wrong!

  • February 25, 2009

    10:57 AM

    rickg19611 writes:

    "Obama is the real deal"

    Obama's plunging approval rating contradicts that claim. According to Gallup, Obama is down 10% points since he was inaugurated. The same amount of the stock market plunge since he was inaugurated.

    And Obama's approval rating shows he is BELOW AVERAGE in approval ratings at this point of his presidency when compared with all other presidents since 1968.

  • February 25, 2009

    10:58 AM

    KW writes:

    JMH - I guessed about right. You're one of those who thought the secretary of state was steno position for the governor's office until moveon recruited you about 7.5 years ago.

    Since then I'm sure you've learned a lot about politics, but you still have along way to go before becoming coherent in your rantings.

  • February 25, 2009

    11:04 AM

    JW writes:

    "JMH - I guessed about right. You're one of those who thought the secretary of state was steno position for the governor's office until moveon recruited you about 7.5 years ago."

    This, from a guy who STILL doesnt understand a fillibuster.

    You may be old, KW, but thats about it.

  • February 25, 2009

    11:07 AM

    JMH writes:

    Learn to read shaggy... That quote is from the report based on the poll I posted... LOL

    You ignorance is just amazing sometimes... But it is funny...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/24/us/politics/24poll.html?_r=1&ref=washington

    But go ahead and run to the root cause of NeoCon ignorance - deny anything you don't want to hear as "liberal media bais" - that way you don't ever have to face the facts with your failures! You also will never have to accept responsiblity for anything and you can keep humming along thinking your NeoCon cult is perfect - regardless of the results we are seeing! LOL...

    But by all means, don't try to learn from your mistakes, we want you "failure mionkeys" to stay irrelavant as long as possible so you can do no further harm to this country we love!

  • February 25, 2009

    11:14 AM

    Jethro writes:

    Lets be honest here

    Kw and Shaggy look to Bush for leadership

    Just like big daddy reading goat stories to these dumbasses. Because they cant read either.

  • February 25, 2009

    11:16 AM

    KW writes:

    GALLUP REPORTS: PRINCETON, NJ -- "For the first time since Gallup began tracking Barack Obama's presidential job approval rating on Jan. 21, fewer than 60% of Americans approve of the job he is doing as president. In Feb. 21-23 polling, 59% of Americans give Obama a positive review, while 25% say they disapprove, and 16% have no opinion."

    10% drop in only 30 days. Not really anyway you can spin around that.

  • February 25, 2009

    11:31 AM

    JMH writes:

    Thanks for posting that KW...

    Take a look at the first line form the link you provided though...

    "To date, Obama has averaged 64% approval, but, as the graph shows, there has been a slight but perceptible decline in his approval rating since he took office. This decline has largely occurred among Republicans."

    Just beacuse your miniority party doesn't like him doesn't mean a thing! LOL... everyone else does!

    But keep thinking you are sooo smart, even though you have fallen for the BS hook, line and sinker for 8 years...

    BTW Obama's approval ratings are still 2 times as much as his disapproval ratings... and 60% is still a large majorty... and his disapproval ratings are just G.W. Bush's APPROVAL rating - 24%

    Ya that's something to be proud of loser! It just seems about 24% of the American public just doesn't get it! LOL... WOW

  • February 25, 2009

    11:36 AM

    Shaggy writes:

    Oh I see, you got it from the immaterial far left biased New York Times..hehehe
    And you actually believe it..lol fricking amazing.
    Might as well came from moveon or media matters or the daily kos ect....or thin air!

    You failed to mention how he slipping daily in the polls and is at the same approval rating the same as GB1, BC and BG2 had the first month into their presidency, but who cares about the little inconveniences right?


    Jethro writes:

    "Lets be honest here

    Kw and Shaggy look to Bush for leadership

    Just like big daddy reading goat stories to these dumbasses. Because they cant read either."

    You win the all time idiotic strawman award...idiot.


    But but but KW, I was told 90% agreed with Barry and 10% want him to fail.
    How dare you post actual facts, I thought we were living in looneyville where one can just post personal agendas out of thin air and call them facts and everyone is suppose to believe them.


  • February 25, 2009

    11:39 AM

    SASQUATCH writes:

    ITS OFFICIAL: EMPTY SUIT DELIVERS EMPTY SPEECH

    NEW YORK (Reuters) - Stocks plunged on Wednesday as President Barack Obama's first address to Congress shed little new light on how he plans to stabilize the economy and shore up banks, and gloomy home sales data fed the negative sentiment.

    Obama said in his speech on Tuesday night the United States would emerge stronger from the ongoing crisis, but investors found little in what he said to spur buying after the market's rebound on Tuesday from 1997 lows.

    I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF--IN FACT, MAYBE I DID SAY IT BETTER!

    If Bernanke didn't say NO to bank nationalization, the DJIA would be down 500.

  • February 25, 2009

    11:46 AM

    Truth writes:

    Sas, you are a retard and a neocon stooge. Please go away.

  • February 25, 2009

    11:50 AM

    JW writes:

    "Oh I see, you got it from the immaterial far left biased New York Times"

    Oh for fux sake Shaggy, if youre gona use the stuff I teach you, use it CORRECTLY.

    Jackass.

    "You win the all time idiotic strawman award...idiot."

    Who is the idiot, the guy who posted accusations that may or may not be true, or the total fuxwit retard who STILL, a friggin YEAR LATER, doesnt understand what a strawman argument is?

    Here is a hint Shaggy: its YOU.

    Youre intelligence level is like a dog. They couldnt figure out what a strawman is either, but you can condition them to pull the lever with the "R" next to it. Or a parrot. They can repeat what they are told ad nausea and form emotional bonds that make them crazy when seperated too.


  • February 25, 2009

    12:11 PM

    history buff writes:

    I'm not investing in the market and it has nothing to do with Obama. Company earnings are down, workers are losing their jobs, there is a story about a new ponzi scandal everyday. Why would what the President said in his speech last night influence my decision either way? If he told me to sell all my vino and invest in the market, I would tell him he is crazy. Anyone who believes that a magic tongue will turn the market around may as well pray to the volcano, because it will about as effective.

    I'm sorry that stock traders aren't earning the fees they did two years. I'm sorry that there aren't any legitimate get rich schemes available in the market. I'm sorry that stock traders are losing jobs and not making enough money to pay their bills. Get in the boat. You aren't the only people who are having trouble.

  • February 25, 2009

    12:19 PM

    KW writes:

    Yes Shaggy, all too funny. The way these clowns like to use some of the most biased sites as a source, not to mention (but I will) the twisting of data from the most credible sources is truly amazing. I also see it’s time to help our little lad JMH with a tad more edjumacashun so lets give it a go.

    Son, Obama’s ratings have been declining daily for the first 30 days he’s been in office. This would be called a “downward trend.� These are not usually considered positive signs so keep that in mind A positive or “upward trend� would be Bush’s ratings after he first took office. In Jan of 2001 he, like Obama was just below the 60% approval threshold, however, this approval then spiked upwards sharply to just under 90% approval after 9/11. He then held approval ratings above 60% and didn’t dip below that threshold until approximately March of 2003.

    Got that now JMH? Upward trends are “good� and downward trends are “bad.� Study up, there will be a quiz at the end of the… oh, wait a minute, no quizzes for you, I forgot. You study at moveon U.

  • February 25, 2009

    12:20 PM

    SASQUATCH writes:

    FDR's Treasury secretary and close friend, Henry Morganthau, conceded this fact to Congressional Democrats in May 1939:

    "We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong ... somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises ... I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started ... And an enormous debt to boot!"*

    But this time its different?

  • February 25, 2009

    12:24 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    "Oh I see, you got it from the immaterial far left biased New York Times"---me

    "Oh for fux sake Shaggy, if youre gona use the stuff I teach you, use it CORRECTLY."---W

    Have no idea wtf you are trying to say.
    Are you little dazed and confused today?


    Are you saying this "Kw and Shaggy look to Bush for leadership" is not a strawman?

    That is not my position at all.

    You are laughable..and a idiot.
    Good luck with that schooling or whatever you are trying to make us think you are doing....hehehe

  • February 25, 2009

    12:26 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    The republican plan for economy

    http://www.shishapipe.net/images/High-Life-Hookahs-Mercury.jpg

  • February 25, 2009

    12:40 PM

    Astro1 writes:

    I watched the speech via tivo last night, and then just watched it again after reading the comments here up to a bit after 11am, looking for the things that people pointed out, either pro or con.

    Fact seems to me to be that, yes, his speech writer did a great job - but all presidents use a writer who is charged with conveying the points the president wants to make, and of course, the president reviews, rereads, and rehearses so it is presented with polish. So this seems to me to be an unfair criticism, which is how it appears to have been intended.

    Next, his words of encouragement and what has been America's traditional "can-do" attitude over the years - this has been demonstrated time and again, so what is your fault with our great nation?

    Lastly, his plan to deal with the utter garbage pit that he inherited from the man I voted for in 2000, why all the negativity? What are your credentials for stating that what he is doing it wrong? Are you aware that the plan was formulated by convening renowned accountants, economist, and finance giants from both parties and many independent parties?

    The president asked for input from the best and brightest (who are still fallible just like you and me) and even though the plan contains a measure of waste, it's how politics works - give and take - you vote for this because it gives something you want, and let me add this $20 million for daycare help for my state - it's just how it is and our government couldn't work without that negotiation - it spawns some inherent waste (at least to some it's waste) for the greater good of all.

    What would have been better is if every president and congress since, what, the 20's or 30's, had refused to spend in the deficit - and if they had lived true to the Constitution and the laws of good, common-sense decision-making - but they haven't. What would have been better is if corporate America had played ethically and for the long-term well being of their company, their employees, and the nation - but that didn't happen either. What would have really been great is if the agencies charged with oversight and regulatory control had really done their jobs, especially over the last 8 to 15 years, but we could look even back into the 80's with the S&L scandal, and even earlier with other fiascoes and unexplained governmental phenomena.

    Maybe everyone could give this guy the benefit of the doubt, and cut him a break and see if we can really get out of this mess? The naysayers don't have to jump on the prObama bandwagon, maybe just not be hating on a man who seems to want to do a good job and help the majority of Americans in the process.

  • February 25, 2009

    12:59 PM

    JW writes:

    "Have no idea wtf you are trying to say. "

    Yea, and Im surprised as hell.

    "Are you saying this "Kw and Shaggy look to Bush for leadership" is not a strawman?"

    Yep. Thats what Im saying. Here is an example of a strawman.

    "Oh I see, you got it from the immaterial far left biased New York Times..hehehe
    And you actually believe it..lol fricking amazing.
    Might as well came from moveon or media matters or the daily kos ect....or thin air!"


    Wow. Shaggy thinks thin air has a liberal bias. What a friggin moron! Hows that liberal bias youre breathing, retard!!!?

  • February 25, 2009

    1:01 PM

    KW writes:

    I just wish the Obama fans AND Obama himself would quit with the bull about how he "inherited" this "mess."

    He didn't "inherit" squat. Obama has been a US Senator for two years, he new exactly what was going on with wasteful spending. He himself had $389 million in earmarks alone for fiscal 2008. He chose to run for president and new very well all the job entailed. He pursued vigilantly to attain this position of power and I'll be damned if I'm going to sit back and let him complain about how he (as though through no fault of his own) "inherited" this situation.

    It's time for this boy to grow up and quit claiming none of this was his responsibility.

  • February 25, 2009

    1:04 PM

    JW writes:

    "Yes Shaggy, all too funny. The way these clowns like to use some of the most biased sites as a source,"

    When you cannot argue fault with the actual data, call the source "biased". Other idiots will believe you, and you will feel as if you won the argument.


    Idiot. Sources dont make info biased. How that info is framed does, and that isnt defined by where its posted. You would actually have to read and analyze the article to know one way or another. You people are pathetically ignorant.

  • February 25, 2009

    1:06 PM

    JMH writes:

    Two things KW...

    For one, I notice you point to the ONE poll that says his support is slipping SLIGHTLY... even though two other came out the day before showed he remains very popular are just dismissed as liberal bias by you and your new puppy - shaggy... (BTW - approval ratings between 60 and 70% are pretty good, regardless of how you spin it)

    Secondly, you say "Got that now JMH? Upward trends are “good� and downward trends are “bad.�

    Umm the downward trend is only from Republicans in this country, who have been fed NOTHING but pessimism and hatred since Obama was elected... No suprise the Rush Limp-bone "dittoheads" are stepping in line now with their marching orders of "Hate OBAMA"...

    What's really funny is you say support is going downward, but Gallap itself states that is ONLY among Republicans... Please read on...

    "Republican Support Slipping Away"

    "Obama has not retained his initial level of job approval mainly because rank-and-file Republicans -- who already lagged well behind Democrats in their approval of Obama in January -- have quickly become even more critical.

    According to weekly aggregates of Gallup Poll Daily tracking interviews, Obama has lost no support from Democrats and independents since taking office, but his approval rating from Republicans has dropped steadily week by week, from 41% at the start of his term to just 30% today."

    See that KW - "Obama has lost no support from Democrats and independents" but his approval ratings among GOP'ers is dropping - big suprise there... Too bad for you that the GOP is losing members at a huge rate and other polls show the GOP is screwing up royally with the MAJORITY America public... But keep "cherry picking your intelligence"... we know where that gets you NeoCons... LOL. Talk about "twisting of data"!

    BTW... 60% appoval and 24% disapproval still means that about 2/3 of the public (that have an opinion) support Obama and his plans... no way to spin that...

    Also, it isn't a trend... it is a pattern when a number between 21% and 25% keeps popping up everytime the country is asked these poll questions... It seems that you 24%ers are still just holding a grunge from Nov... LOL.

    Bush's approval rating upon leaving office - 24%
    Obama's disapproval rating now - 24%

    Couldn't possibly be the same set of "failure monkeys" could it?

  • February 25, 2009

    1:11 PM

    gr8fuldude writes:

    I am encouraged by the plug for higher education, but I am not sure that people will get it. Clinton tried this with the Hope credit, and it was given lukewarm reception.

    Like it or not folks, the days that our parents had are long gone. Today's generation will NOT be able to graduate high school and have one career for life. Education is going to NEED to be continual if you want any kind of a decent lifestyle. The gov't can prime the pump so to speak, but let's face it: We live in a world where work can be moved ANYWHERE it is done the cheapest. That means we need to embrace education. I am not sure most people will.

    Thoughts?

  • February 25, 2009

    1:15 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    KW, your posts are getting to be as stupid as shags. Bush inherited a surplus from Clinton, obama has inherited a record deficit from the pubs. Dems had no power to do anything over the last 8 years because they weren't the majority. the pubs were so take some responsibility.
    Rush must be raving about this now so here comes the little parrots.
    The man has been in office for a little more than a month, has not done anything wrong, yet from day one the right wing loons try to find anything to criticize him on.
    Maybe if he lied about WMD's and started an illegal war, or hadn't paid attention to warnings about being attacked or deregulated our markets you could actually complain. KW you and shags need to move to alaska and sucede since you hate our government so much.

  • February 25, 2009

    1:20 PM

    JW writes:

    "I am encouraged by the plug for higher education, but I am not sure that people will get it. Clinton tried this with the Hope credit, and it was given lukewarm reception"

    Ive been LOVING this for a few years.

  • February 25, 2009

    1:21 PM

    SASQUATCH writes:

    EMPTY-SUIT TALKS...DJIA PLUNGES

    BERNANKE TALKS...DJIA SURGES

    Wazupwitdat?

    Content and substannce trumps style and presentation every time--empty means no content, void, vacant, vacuum!

    The empty-suit better plan on keeping Ben around.

  • February 25, 2009

    1:23 PM

    JW writes:

    Gr8 you ever see that "did you know" thing on the other thread? If that doesnt lead you into getting an education NOTHING will. Of course, the first time I saw it was at orientation for my MBA, so its probably just liberal dogma.

  • February 25, 2009

    1:24 PM

    Astro1 writes:

    KW - just for the record, I didn't attempt to tie the "inherited" claim to a supposed lack of knowledge about the current state of affairs. I was attaching the "inherited" claim to a point in time, a point that has seen numerous administrations and congress's make very poor decisions that have contributed to the mess we see before us now. By virtue of when Obama took office, he inherited everything he faces - nothing more, nothing less.

    So you can stop thinking I was solely blaming Bush, as I wasn't and demonstrated that pretty clearly. But I will say that the man I voted for in 2000 did precious little to keep this current debacle from happening - my opinion, but one that is based on spending more than a trillion dollars in a war of questionable merit and worthiness - and just how much was the economic stimulus package again? Oh yeah, just under a trillion dollars - seems like we might have been able to spend that money more wisely.

  • February 25, 2009

    1:36 PM

    KW writes:

    JMH - Being long winded like JW doesn't impress people. What would impress people would be of you could read.

    "Obama has lost no support from Democrats and independents since taking office, but his approval rating from Republicans has dropped steadily week by week, from 41% at the start of his term to just 30% today." --jmh

    Yet, from the very link I posted that JMH claims to be reading from:

    "The drop below 60% approval within the past week -- from 63% in Feb. 18-20 polling to 59% in Feb. 21-23 polling -- has mostly come among independents. Late last week, 62% of independents approved of Obama, compared with 54% in the last three days. His approval rating among Democrats has also dipped slightly (but not to a statistically significant degree), while approval among Republicans has not changed."

    These are also the same findings at Rasmussen and Pew just in case you think Gallup constitutes cherry picking.

    BTW - The NYT has the credibility of commondreams and their stock plummets prove that point.

    You shall learn all in due time young weedhopper.

  • February 25, 2009

    1:37 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    Jeebus JW,
    He is the one who posted his source as the NYT's and if you were paying attention you would know this.
    I wasn't making anything up dweeb and yes the NYT's is a Liberal biased media.

    When you find yourself in a hole...quit digging it deeper dumbass... Your doing the same thing Barry is doing with the bailout.


    "Oh I see, you got it from the immaterial far left biased New York Times"---me

    "Oh for fux sake Shaggy, if youre gona use the stuff I teach you, use it CORRECTLY."---W

    Still cannot connect the two.
    I guess your super duper high intellect just zoomed right over my head with this one, unless of course this only makes sense in your imaginary world.
    Me thinks the latter fits the bill.


    Anon @ 1:15

    I wouldn't sign a name to that idiotic post either.
    "Dems had no power to do anything over the last 8 years because they weren't the majority"

    Ever heard of freddy and franny?
    How about sub prime loans?
    How about high Union wages?
    How about a filibuster?
    Idiot!

  • February 25, 2009

    1:42 PM

    gr8fuldude writes:

    JW - I saw it and I really believe it. My first job out of college was with IBM, who did FULL tuition reimbursement. Did the entire MBA on them. A few years later, I was managing in a company that offered the same, and nobody in my staff took advantage. I was really astounded.

    Who wouldn't want to graduate without student loans?

    Jobs are going overseas folks. You can blame the gov't, you can blame your company, or you can do something about it.

  • February 25, 2009

    1:43 PM

    Brunowolfe writes:

    Shaggy said:
    "Why are you femdems so consistently stupid?
    The GOP did not encourage freddy and franny to loan out sub prime loans.
    The GOP did not create high Union wages making American Autos unable to compete."

    So those things are the democrats fault?

    Your hilarious shag. This country went to shit because Bush did not lead us during the last 8 years.

    First,,,,the GOP claims its all doom and gloom, he isn't positive enough. Then he gives an inspiring positive speach with hope. And now you GOPidiots think it was all fluff happy time? You can't be satisfied, cause you WONT be satisfied. End of story....

  • February 25, 2009

    1:44 PM

    Brunowolfe writes:

    Shaggy said:
    "Why are you femdems so consistently stupid?
    The GOP did not encourage freddy and franny to loan out sub prime loans.
    The GOP did not create high Union wages making American Autos unable to compete."

    So those things are the democrats fault?

    Your hilarious shag. This country went to shit because Bush did not lead us during the last 8 years.

    First,,,,the GOP claims its all doom and gloom, he isn't positive enough. Then he gives an inspiring positive speach with hope. And now you GOPidiots think it was all fluff happy time? You can't be satisfied, cause you WONT be satisfied. End of story....

  • February 25, 2009

    1:45 PM

    Brunowolfe writes:

    Shaggy said:
    "Why are you femdems so consistently stupid?
    The GOP did not encourage freddy and franny to loan out sub prime loans.
    The GOP did not create high Union wages making American Autos unable to compete."

    So those things are the democrats fault?

    Your hilarious shag. This country went to shit because Bush did not lead us during the last 8 years.

    First,,,,the GOP claims its all doom and gloom, he isn't positive enough. Then he gives an inspiring positive speach with hope. And now you GOPidiots think it was all fluff happy time? You can't be satisfied, cause you WONT be satisfied. End of story....

  • February 25, 2009

    1:47 PM

    Shaggy writes:

    Anon @ 1:15,

    BTW, Why do you only lay blame on the Pubs when the Dems voted for every spending bill presented in the Bush admin?
    Barry had a large amount of earmarks but I guess that part goes unmentioned in your Liberal world.

    Another inconvenient fact.

  • February 25, 2009

    1:53 PM

    BTW writes:

    shag, judging by yours and others posts, it looks like you are the village idiot here. Your the type of person that would look out his window, see the sun shining, but if faux or rush told you it wasn't, you would believe them rather than your own eyes.

  • February 25, 2009

    1:55 PM

    Brunowolfe writes:

    Shaggy said:
    "Why are you femdems so consistently stupid?
    The GOP did not encourage freddy and franny to loan out sub prime loans.
    The GOP did not create high Union wages making American Autos unable to compete."

    So those things are the democrats fault?

    Your hilarious shag. This country went to shit because Bush did not lead us during the last 8 years.

    First,,,,the GOP claims its all doom and gloom, he isn't positive enough. Then he gives an inspiring positive speach with hope. And now you GOPidiots think it was all fluff happy time? You can't be satisfied, cause you WONT be satisfied. End of story....

  • February 25, 2009

    1:58 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    "So those things are the democrats fault?"

    Yep!

  • February 25, 2009

    2:02 PM

    Brunowolfe writes:

    Shaggy said:
    "Why are you femdems so consistently stupid?
    The GOP did not encourage freddy and franny to loan out sub prime loans.
    The GOP did not create high Union wages making American Autos unable to compete."

    So those things are the democrats fault?

    Your hilarious shag. This country went to shit because Bush did not lead us during the last 8 years.

    First,,,,the GOP claims its all doom and gloom, he isn't positive enough. Then he gives an inspiring positive speach with hope. And now you GOPidiots think it was all fluff happy time? You can't be satisfied, cause you WONT be satisfied. End of story....

  • February 25, 2009

    2:10 PM

    JW writes:

    Gr8,

    Yea, that full tuition reimbursement thing is kinda hard to get these days. Im pulling loans, but hey, they are far beyond "worth it".

    But we have tuition reimbursement and its enough that it and the hope credit paid half my batchelors in business. I have only seen ONE other person here take advantage. Its amazing.

    Oh well. As Judge Smails would say, "World needs ditch diggers too."

  • February 25, 2009

    2:53 PM

    Anonymous writes:

    "President intends to release a budget tomorrow that would create a 10-year, $634 billion “reserve fund� to partially pay for a vast expansion of the U.S. health system, an overhaul that many experts project will cost as much as $1 trillion over the next decade."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/25/AR2009022502587.html?hpid=topnews

    Ahh wth, while were at it, whats another trillion for our kids to pay.
    At least they will have good health to work their asses off for our bad behavior.

  • February 25, 2009

    2:54 PM

    DestinyBender writes:

    I am sick of this guy's condescending, smugness. He's always taking down to Americans and telling us;
    how we should live, what we should eat, what cars we should drive, who's been naughty and who's been nice, who shall live and who shall die. Forget him!
    The front page picture on today's Rocky turned my stomach - yuck! Who would have believed these three would become the face of our Country? Its a nightmare and its only going to get worse.

  • February 25, 2009

    3:22 PM

    KW writes:

    I remember Obama mentioned national health care last night when he was telling us now is the time to make all the changes we need to get our economy turned around.

    Sounds like he's trying to use the recession as the reason to implement a whole slue of new government bureaucracies whether they have anything to do with the recession... or not.

  • February 25, 2009

    3:53 PM

    JW writes:

    "Sounds like he's trying to use the recession as the reason to implement a whole slue of new government bureaucracies whether they have anything to do with the recession... or not."

    Its called the shock doctrine. Milton Friedman really fleshed the idea out and Republicans bought in early. Its been in use for a while now, by both political parties. Youre just pissed because this time its a Democrat.

  • February 25, 2009

    4:08 PM

    JMH writes:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/116026/Assessing-Obama-Job-Approval-One-Month-Mark.aspx

    BTW, it seems Gallup is telling two stories two days apart... but pick the one you like, they say the basically same thing... Teh one taht came out today just is more to your liking I suppose... When it cahnges again, Iyou will just call it "media bias"... LOL

    But whatever KW, when Obama is in the 20's, let me know... OK? LOL...

    Enjoy being in the 24% club... LOL... The "NO WE CAN'T" party and ignore every other poll out there if it suits you... Why wont you comment on all the others, just gonna cling to this one? It still shows Obama as popular! Just all the other ones are more consistant... and you don't liek those and don't want to face up to those...

  • February 25, 2009

    4:19 PM

    SASQUATCH writes:

    DAY-TRADERS GETTING RICH OFF THE OBAMACOASTER:

    Trading the 200-300 daily price volatility caused by speeches and appearances by THE EMPTY-SUIT-- is causing very tradeable booms and busts every day. People are getting rich of the OBAMACOASTER! And when he isn't talking or is in the bathroom, then Chris Diood, Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank are good substitutes for the OBAMACOASTER!

    YING...YANG...YING...YANG...YING....YANG

  • February 25, 2009

    4:26 PM

    anon writes:

    "Holy cow, how much does this market hate Obama now! The market has no faith in Obama or Geithner. It loves Bernanke! What a turn!!!"

    -Jim Cramer, at 3:59 pm EST today...
    founder of TheStreet.com and a lifelong Democrat

  • February 25, 2009

    5:00 PM

    KW writes:

    JMH - My apologies. Earlier I was trying to begin your political training at much too high a level.

    When I saw you post this (link here) regarding Sen. Dave Schultheis comments on HIV testing:

    "BTW, Schultheist also voted against the stimulus bill and then when it was passed anyway, he asked for the lion's share of Colorado's piece for the Springs... But I'm sure this is called "conservative values" and not "hypocracy" in NeoCon circles... LOL..." --jmh

    I realized I need to begin your political edgamukashun at the state level (or lower) before ever trying to bring you up to speed on things as lofty as national politics.

    But like I said, I DO apologize!

  • February 25, 2009

    8:06 PM

    DemigogueX writes:

    You know, it's like this:

    If Obama is right and does well, his detractors here will simply fade into the shadows and refuse to acknowledge his vision and success.

    If Obama is wrong and things don't work, his detractors will say he is not of a certain party, or color, or whatever, and that is why he failed.

    The lack of vision, education, understanding, empathy, knowledge, experience, compassion, and a host of other traits make it impossible, NOT just difficult, but truly IMPOSSIBLE for them to see it any other way.

    And there are those on the other side of the political aisle. This is why blogs are self-defeating. You cannot convince a person who has no problem, that he has a problem. You cannot convince a person who cannot see your side of the issue that he is insensitive or dispassionate. He simply CANNOT see your view.

    Maybe it's time to accept that premise and move on to those that can be helped?

  • February 25, 2009

    9:41 PM

    KLW writes:

    8 Years of Hell was enough... Now Bush the failure has a greeter job offer at local store LOL
    This says it all.. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/02/george-bush-doe.html
    Lets not forget his deficit creation. Here is the last presidents records on a graph.
    http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

    .... Obama will do the right thing for the right reason. He sounds like FDR and his fireside chats.
    he will be known for his wonderful speaches, his ability to actually heal America.
    He is the most technology smart president we have EVER had. He has surrounded himself with some very bright people. HE cant help but succeed.

    Dont YOU want to know ???? What really happened on 9/11 I DO !!!!! I Still believe he KNEW and anyone who could just sit there while my fellow americans were dying is just a sick worthless wannabe leader. Transparency YES
    GO OBAMA !!!!

  • February 25, 2009

    9:46 PM

    KLW writes:

    8 Years of Hell was enough... Now Bush the failure has a greeter job offer at local store LOL
    This says it all.. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/02/george-bush-doe.html
    Lets not forget his deficit creation. Here is the last presidents records on a graph.
    http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

    .... Obama will do the right thing for the right reason. He sounds like FDR and his fireside chats.
    he will be known for his wonderful speaches, his ability to actually heal America.
    He is the most technology smart president we have EVER had. He has surrounded himself with some very bright people. HE cant help but succeed.

    Dont YOU want to know ???? What really happened on 9/11 I DO !!!!! I Still believe he KNEW and anyone who could just sit there while my fellow americans were dying is just a sick worthless wannabe leader. Transparency YES
    GO OBAMA !!!!

  • February 25, 2009

    9:46 PM

    KLW writes:

    8 Years of Hell was enough... Now Bush the failure has a greeter job offer at local store LOL
    This says it all.. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/02/george-bush-doe.html
    Lets not forget his deficit creation. Here is the last presidents records on a graph.
    http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

    .... Obama will do the right thing for the right reason. He sounds like FDR and his fireside chats.
    he will be known for his wonderful speaches, his ability to actually heal America.
    He is the most technology smart president we have EVER had. He has surrounded himself with some very bright people. HE cant help but succeed.

    Dont YOU want to know ???? What really happened on 9/11 I DO !!!!! I Still believe he KNEW and anyone who could just sit there while my fellow americans were dying is just a sick worthless wannabe leader. Transparency YES
    GO OBAMA !!!!

  • February 25, 2009

    10:05 PM

    DemigogueX writes:

    You know, it's like this:

    If Obama is right and does well, his detractors here will simply fade into the shadows and refuse to acknowledge his vision and success.

    If Obama is wrong and things don't work, his detractors will say he is not of a certain party, or color, or whatever, and that is why he failed.

    The lack of vision, education, understanding, empathy, knowledge, experience, compassion, and a host of other traits make it impossible, NOT just difficult, but truly IMPOSSIBLE for them to see it any other way.

    And there are those on the other side of the political aisle. This is why blogs are self-defeating. You cannot convince a person who has no problem, that he has a problem. You cannot convince a person who cannot see your side of the issue that he is insensitive or dispassionate. He simply CANNOT see your view.

    Maybe it's time to accept that premise and move on to those that can be helped?

  • March 2, 2009

    12:23 PM

    Really? writes:

    Obama spent 4 times (that's 4 trillion) as much as Bush in 1 month and says he inhereited a trillion dollar debt. What better way to get out of debt that to spend more on stuff you don't need. Okay, the "blame Bush ticket" has just been revoked, it's time to hold our leaders accountable. Stop fighting with each other over which leader is worse and put these idiots in check. $4 TRILLION PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    3 wars and 9/11 didn't cost that much, come on!

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